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Hi everyone, and sorry if this is in the wrong place since I wasn't sure where to post it. I was looking at some forgeworld tanks such as Imperial Macharius Vulcan Heavy tank and the death korps of krieg etc. I just wanted to know, are forgeworld minis worth the money, both in the game aspect and modeling aspect? I have heard people saying there are a lot of flash lines and something about resin dust... So yeah I couldn't really decide, and so I have turned to all you Dakkaites.

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They ARE expensive, but they look soooo geeeewwwwd.


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Don't forget warped long bits! The little FW stuff I've bought that's been the major annoyance for me, standing in the sink, carefully bending resin under the hot tap.

I'd say that FW is probably too expensive for what you get, but does it ever look nice. An utter decadence, but a satisfying one.

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It's getting harder and harder to make a judgement call on things like this these days...the price of the hobby is raising everyday it seems....I mean, 8 years ago you would faint to imagine spending £10 on a single miniature...

I think, you have to be aware of the quality issues with FW products, but, if you call them and explain, they will usually make good the problem....so really, it comes down to how much money you have and whether you want the item of not.

You don't NEED FW to play WH40K, so in pure gaming terms, I don't think it is worth it.

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IMO the answer depends on what arrives at your door. If luck is with you and you get a good cast FW stuff is quite nice. However, if your luck is poor you end up with tons of flash, bubbles, warped parts, etc.

It seems that FW has 0 quality control...they just pop it out of the mold, bag it and ship it...then hope they got it right or the customer doesnt complain. They go by the "dont worry until the customer complains" theory.

Its really a mixed bag...but it does seem the quality on the bigger/more expensive stuff is a bit better than the smaller/cheaper stuff.

If you dont mind the possibility of putting some work into it, then order away. If you want something thats gonna slap together in 30 minutes...leave FW alone.


As far as resin dust goes...if/when you sand the parts try not to breath the dust...just that simple.

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Like all the things the "worth" of something is a personal choice and something you have to examine for yourself based upon your own particular beliefs, budget, desires, etc..

Very little that we buy in life is actually "worth" what we pay for it.

Gaming is a luxury. IF something for it is in your budget and is something you desire owning then it will be "worth" it to you.

Some people think Games Workshop in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for it.

Most people in the world would say that wargaming stuff in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for what they would consider "toys".

It is all relative...

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CT GAMER wrote:Like all the things the "worth" of something is a personal choice and something you have to examine for yourself based upon your own particular beliefs, budget, desires, etc..

Very little that we buy in life is actually "worth" what we pay for it.

Gaming is a luxury. IF something for it is in your budget and is something you desire owning then it will be "worth" it to you.

Some people think Games Workshop in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for it.

Most people in the world would say that wargaming stuff in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for what they would consider "toys".

It is all relative...

Very good answer, but when I meant worth, I meant it as in the quality to price ratio etc.

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tehbarry wrote:I meant it as in the quality to price ratio etc.


I would have to say no on that count. The quality of product you receive does not tally with the price. I've seen better resin casts from smaller companies for lower prices. Still hard to resist, though.

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I think they are certainly expensive even in comparison to the resin products offered by other companies. Putting aside quality issues, because you can always get replacements, the do make some very nice models.

It sounds boring, but the only person who can really decide if they are 'worth it' is you, because it's your money and everyone has their different line as to what they are prepared to spend. In general I think GW have gone beyond having products worth the money they charge, but they still make very nice stuff all the same. So my purchases are limited to the occasional treat, I don't make regular purchases FW or otherwise.
   
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$100... but they look so coo!

   
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Are they worth it?

Gaming, no. Rules are absolutely awful and in the worst case scenario people will try and pinch em while you aren't looking.

Modelling and painting wise, they are top notch, great quality (although the casting is sometimes a bit dubious).
   
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Other than a number of the older kits being horrible as far as actual models go (trying putting together an all-resin Stormblade and try not going insane... I dare you!), Forge World is definitely worth it.

I've got quite a lot of FW stuff these days, and other than Mr. Stormblade I don't regret buying any of it.


As others have said, the rules aren't worth much; most FW stuff is overpriced and underpowered with the odd thing that so grossly overpowered it makes you wonder what they were thinking. That said it's still fun to have, and sometimes it's just cool to have the Forge World Tech-Priest rather than a regular Enginseer, or cool looking Stygies-Pattern Vanquishers, and things like that.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:Other than a number of the older kits being horrible as far as actual models go (trying putting together an all-resin Stormblade and try not going insane... I dare you!), Forge World is definitely worth it.

I've got quite a lot of FW stuff these days, and other than Mr. Stormblade I don't regret buying any of it.


As others have said, the rules aren't worth much; most FW stuff is overpriced and underpowered with the odd thing that so grossly overpowered it makes you wonder what they were thinking. That said it's still fun to have, and sometimes it's just cool to have the Forge World Tech-Priest rather than a regular Enginseer, or cool looking Stygies-Pattern Vanquishers, and things like that.


What was wrong with your stormblade, i was just looking at those the other day.

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It's a question you really, really need to ask yourself. You're paying a premium, but the models are gorgeous if there are no miscasts. I've ordered from Forgeworld a couple times and never had any problems.

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Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer:
1.) Models sure are expensive but getting closer to GW models pricewise over the years.
2.) They have a mediocre quality control, but replace miscasts if you phone them (emails don't work).
3.) Several models are for Apocalypse games only like the super-heavies. Others are for normal sized games allowing for FW rules. Others are perfect matches for official units. DKoK is a normal IG army with some special items not covered in the Codex, so you can make a perfectly legal army for all games including tournaments. But of course, a Forge World horde army is very expensive.
4.) Resin needs more care working with than plastic. See tutorials for that.

BTW, the Imperial Armour books are also worth it, esp. if you are interested in one of the fractions covered.

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Well, it depends. FW is worth it as long as you think the increase in model quality is worth the price premium. The "worthiness" of any particular model will vary by how much you like its æsthetics, whether GW has a suitable alternative, whether you can use it in normal play, etc.
   
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misfit wrote:I know i'm gonna find out soon, bought two rhino dozer blades and some chain axes.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Other than a number of the older kits being horrible as far as actual models go (trying putting together an all-resin Stormblade and try not going insane... I dare you!), Forge World is definitely worth it.

I've got quite a lot of FW stuff these days, and other than Mr. Stormblade I don't regret buying any of it.


As others have said, the rules aren't worth much; most FW stuff is overpriced and underpowered with the odd thing that so grossly overpowered it makes you wonder what they were thinking. That said it's still fun to have, and sometimes it's just cool to have the Forge World Tech-Priest rather than a regular Enginseer, or cool looking Stygies-Pattern Vanquishers, and things like that.


What was wrong with your stormblade, i was just looking at those the other day.

Probably the fact that it was all-resin.

As a sidenote: Forge World is far better about answering emails than they used to be. You just have to email your problems to the proper place:
If you have a problem with your order, make it clear in the title with 'Issue with Order # XXXX' and send it to fworderenquiries@games-workshop.co.uk

General inquiries(this is everything but issues with an order or defective parts, etc) go to forgeworld@games-workshop.co.uk

   
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tehbarry wrote:Hi everyone, and sorry if this is in the wrong place since I wasn't sure where to post it. I was looking at some forgeworld tanks such as Imperial Macharius Vulcan Heavy tank and the death korps of krieg etc. I just wanted to know, are forgeworld minis worth the money, both in the game aspect and modeling aspect? I have heard people saying there are a lot of flash lines and something about resin dust... So yeah I couldn't really decide, and so I have turned to all you Dakkaites.
FW is for advanced players/modelers. Make a normal army first, then look at some FW rules and prices to decide if it's worth it to you.

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tehbarry wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:Like all the things the "worth" of something is a personal choice and something you have to examine for yourself based upon your own particular beliefs, budget, desires, etc..

Very little that we buy in life is actually "worth" what we pay for it.

Gaming is a luxury. IF something for it is in your budget and is something you desire owning then it will be "worth" it to you.

Some people think Games Workshop in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for it.

Most people in the world would say that wargaming stuff in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for what they would consider "toys".

It is all relative...

Very good answer, but when I meant worth, I meant it as in the quality to price ratio etc.


And my answer still stands.

I know a few guys that can build stuff out of plasticard and what-not that rivals or exceeds the look of FW items for a fraction of the cost. So for them FW is not a good buy.

IF however you are a guy who has no skill at building or doesn't have the time, etc. then the price of FW might be a worthwhile investment.

Do you have the time/skill/materials to make items yourself that will equal/exceed the FW items? IF yes then FW isn't a good buy, if no and you want the item bad enough then the price/quality of FW is far less of a factor as you may have no other option...

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they're too expensive, and have no quality control
every time I've gotten something from them its been a pile of useless plastic
I send it back, it still comes back with problems
anything forgeworld I have I bought second hand because I refuse to deal with such a terrible company
nice models they do have but I can't seem to get a good model from these people
   
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Yor wrote:they're too expensive, and have no quality control
every time I've gotten something from them its been a pile of useless plastic
I send it back, it still comes back with problems
anything forgeworld I have I bought second hand because I refuse to deal with such a terrible company
nice models they do have but I can't seem to get a good model from these people

*sniffs*
There's a funny burning smell here...
Anyways:
every time I've gotten something from them its been a pile of useless plastic

I don't know what you're buying from Forge World, but nothing they cast is in plastic.

I send it back, it still comes back with problems
anything forgeworld I have I bought second hand because I refuse to deal with such a terrible company

Are you sure you're actually contacting Forge World? Because they've never asked for me to return anything in any case where I've had issues.

At best, I've had to provide photographs in order for them to replace things.
nice models they do have but I can't seem to get a good model from these people

You just said you don't buy from them. You buy secondhand.

If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised that you're getting recasted crap.
   
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Is FW worth it? In my opinion, no. I quite often find myself clicking FW links when people post newsletters or new releases and I think 'ooh, that's nice', then I look at the price and I think again. I would love a DKOK army but my interest completely evaporates when I cost up the price of it.

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I had good experience with them. Bought the respirators and accessories for my Cadian shock troops. Only one item was acutely broken which was a power sword with no sword. Other then that everything was fine. Anything that was a bit warped or chipped was no diffidence then getting stuff from GW and having it bent.

I was acutely skeptical about it all but the pictures on some models they have do it no good compared to when you get them and get to look how closely there detailed.

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Their FW Tau Suits are very close to what the GW suits cost especially the broadsides.

Also its the only other place to get autocannons for dreads (non-CSM).

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Depends on what you want to order from them. What exactly are your looking at?

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I will just add that i sent an email inquiring about the Rhino Spaced armour (currently OOP but will be back in a month or 2) they replayed within a few days. Though Reds8n beat me to it by ringing up. In short they are good for email inquiries but it is still better by phone.

I would say if you can afford it go for it! Wargaming is pointless in the grand scheme of things, so why not splash the extra 50% price on some absolutely GORGEOUS models? The infantry are beautifully cast (got 2 sets of space marine armours, apart from a couple wrinkles in the heresy cabling they are pristine). With the tanks it still is a bit of pot luck especially as your order will be freighted (Norway?) so risks alot more compression/impacts/temperature fluctuations.
Ps modelling wise they have zero conversion possiblity, then again why would you want to?!

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CT GAMER wrote:Very little that we buy in life is actually "worth" what we pay for it.

Hm? As an investment, it's not really worth it. Look in the Swap Shop - NIB stuff won't even get full price.

But I think it's worth the money I pay for the hobby, because if not, why would I buy it?

Anyway, like others said, it depends on what you're buying.

For example, GW Chaos Dreadnought = £36. FW Chaos Dread (w/2 arms) = £40

Totally worth it, given the quality between the UK and FW chaos dreads.

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I have spent a good amount of money on FW. From drop troops, to Tau commanders, and now my favorite thing is the pre-heresy armor. The only thing I have ever gotten that was remotely warped was my IG tank turret, the barrel was slightly warped, so just some hot water and that thing was fixed no problem.

I use FW as a display, something that stands out above the rest. It adds a lot and looks great and can really make you proud once you get something built up and painted nicely.

I say go for FW, but only in small amounts.

 
   
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I do like how CT Gamer is implying that FW is for those who don't have the skill to do it themselves.

Talk about elitism...

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