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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 01:55:22
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
Karthu'ul, the Heart of the Universe
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Grey Templar wrote:
Said Republic and Federation fleets will be utterly crushed unless they quickly retreat.
due to the size of their ships, the Republic and Federation will be reduced to making hit and run attacks against the Nid Fleets.
they won't be able to stop the inexorable advance upon world after world.
in additon, the slow travel of the Nid fleets may cause both sides to simply disregard the Nids. they won't even know that they are being attacked because the planet invasions have such large intervels in between them.
the Republic will leave the Nids alone to fight the Federation. the Nids will gradually take planet after planet while the much faster paced Clone Wars rage in the galactic center.
Yes, because the appearance of two Hive Fleets won't affect the Clone Wars at all.
And what's that BS about them not knowing they are being attacked? Holonet, hyperdrive speed... it's incredibly easy for information to spread in the SW universe.
SW vessels have absurdly powerful guns for their sizes, and I'm inclined to believe that even hit and run attacks would deal extreme damage to Tyranid ships.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 01:57:57
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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And SW also has Admiral Ackbar, so they'll always know when
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Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
W: 1.756 Quadrillion L: 0 D: 2
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 01:59:14
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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Monster Rain wrote:And SW also has Admiral Ackbar, so they'll always know when 
Nids don't stand a chance.
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Sternguard never die
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 02:03:54
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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They would know the Nids are there, at the edge of the galaxy and that they are hostile.
but they wouldn't know the Nids are coming to eat everything in the whole freakin galaxy.
Now, Nids are at planet Random v29.
5 years later
Nids are now at planet Random v30(next closest planet)
the advance would be so low that the Republic and Federation would discount the very real danger.
Star Wars ships may have fairly powerful weapons for their size, but they don't have the mass and armor to match. the Nid fleets have sheer body mass to withstand incoming damage.
FWIW, Nid ships can take an impact from multiple torpedos the size of the Empire State building.
the impact from those things alone is enormous, but when they also have a Fusion Bomb on board to match its truely devestating.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 08:13:49
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Nerivant wrote:DrownedRat117 wrote:I didn't even know clones had fire/explosives/bullets.
IT's all lasers over there
The energy released in a single shot from a heavy turbolaser (which isn't a laser, strangely) has been calculated to be the equivalent of at least a gigaton of TNT, if not more.
There are people who survived that blast, and get wounded in the process. So that calculation is not correct. Automatically Appended Next Post: Nerivant wrote:
And what's that BS about them not knowing they are being attacked? Holonet, hyperdrive speed... it's incredibly easy for information to spread in the SW universe.
SW vessels have absurdly powerful guns for their sizes, and I'm inclined to believe that even hit and run attacks would deal extreme damage to Tyranid ships.
That's not that Grey Templar meant, you act this way because you know what Tyranids are - SW people don't.
No matter if the information is travelling fast, the Republic would simply ignore the threat first ( after all, Palpatine still have his master plan in motion ).
They would just send 2 or 3 Jedi to investigate, and if they don't respond they would send 2 high ranking Jedi ( while others will continue to fight off the CIS ).
And if you watched "Clone Wars" season 3 you would learn that there are only few million clones in the galaxy, since every one is costing xxx credits to be build. The senate barely agree that they increase the number of Clones to few millions more. The same thing with CIS, every ordinary droid cost xxx credits to be build ( Grivus said that himself ). SO we can't count to large number of troops at the beginning.
I would say that by the time they figure out the real threat the Hive Fleet will grow in size because in SW galaxy almost every star system have M class planet ( I will use this because it is easy than saying " planet supporting Earth-like environment" ).
The only question is how will Hive Mind combat Jedi and Sith ( since they have force powers and all... )?
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 11:16:50
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They don't need to directly combat those powers. It's pretty much clear that even the most powerful jedi can't keep his powers going for hours straight, a Tyrnid swarm has no such problem when trying to nom on something.
Also: Lictor?
Oh crap.... The force is biological, midicholirans right? Doesn't that mean that once a jedi is consumed, Nid will be getting acces to this too?
SW is screwed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 11:51:55
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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The only two real advantages the Star Wars Galaxy has working for it would be:
1) Rapid movement of forces. With their level of FTL travel they could run circles around the Tyranids.
2) Unification. Basically, the Star Wars people have got their act together more than the 40k fellows.
Both of these things I think the sheer size of the Tyranid threat could possibly overwhelm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 13:07:55
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Grey Templar wrote:
Their ships are also pathetically small.
a Star Destroyer is approximatly the same size and length as an Imperial Cobra class escort.
http://www.merzo.net/
under the -10X page you can see a Retribution class Battleship, a Cobra destroyer, a Star Destroyer, a Trade Federation Battleship, and a Rebel frigate all to scale with each other.
Now, Nid ships don't board another ship, they EAT it!!!
Nid ships are capable of eating ships which are much MUCH larger then Star Wars vessels,
Did you not see the super star destroyer? Its a lot bigger than the Retribution Class Battleship. I do get your point though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 13:48:03
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Wasn't there a stealth super star destroyer at one point?
I remember shooting at one at any rate... or did i imagine that?
If it is real they really should consider changing their naming conventions... things are getting silly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 14:59:04
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Hawk wrote:Grey Templar wrote:
Their ships are also pathetically small.
a Star Destroyer is approximatly the same size and length as an Imperial Cobra class escort.
http://www.merzo.net/
under the -10X page you can see a Retribution class Battleship, a Cobra destroyer, a Star Destroyer, a Trade Federation Battleship, and a Rebel frigate all to scale with each other.
Now, Nid ships don't board another ship, they EAT it!!!
Nid ships are capable of eating ships which are much MUCH larger then Star Wars vessels,
Did you not see the super star destroyer? Its a lot bigger than the Retribution Class Battleship. I do get your point though.
yes, but we are comparing the Republic and CIS vs Nids.
even so, Super Star Destroyers aren't common. there will never be multiples in the same place.
the Nids will have dozens of ships as large, if not larger, then the Retribution class battleship just a litte bit down.
you get 3 or 4 of those things chewing on a SSD and its not going to last long.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 15:15:20
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
Karthu'ul, the Heart of the Universe
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Brother Coa wrote:
That's not that Grey Templar meant, you act this way because you know what Tyranids are - SW people don't.
No matter if the information is travelling fast, the Republic would simply ignore the threat first ( after all, Palpatine still have his master plan in motion ).
They would just send 2 or 3 Jedi to investigate, and if they don't respond they would send 2 high ranking Jedi ( while others will continue to fight off the CIS ).
And if you watched "Clone Wars" season 3 you would learn that there are only few million clones in the galaxy, since every one is costing xxx credits to be build. The senate barely agree that they increase the number of Clones to few millions more. The same thing with CIS, every ordinary droid cost xxx credits to be build ( Grivus said that himself ). SO we can't count to large number of troops at the beginning.
I would say that by the time they figure out the real threat the Hive Fleet will grow in size because in SW galaxy almost every star system have M class planet ( I will use this because it is easy than saying " planet supporting Earth-like environment" ).
The only question is how will Hive Mind combat Jedi and Sith ( since they have force powers and all... )?
Even if they waited for the end of the Clone Wars, the Hive Fleet could only chew through a handful of planets. Ignoring the threat would actually help them; the Galactic Empire has a much higher level of militarization than the Republic, and vessels like the Victory II-class Star Destroyer would have entered service. That was also when they started ramping up the production of Imperial I-class SDs.
Why would I watch "Clone Wars?" It's just stomping on existing, detailed, and very popular canon so GL can build another diamond encrusted ballroom on his golden money ranch.
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There are some who walk until their legs fail them and they fall to the ground. I find that respectable.
Then there are those who drag themselves further. I find that admirable. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 15:40:55
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I again say that the Galactic Empire simply doesn't have the required experience to mount a Galaxy wide war.
this isn't the Rebel Alliance which they simply chased from planet to planet. this is a war where thousands of planets at a time will be involved.
War on that scale would be unthinkable to them. they couldn't even begin to imagine having to have a full strength army and naval force at each and every planet to stem the nids onslaught.
the Clone Wars, the largest war the Republic(and Empire by extension) had ever fought(with the possable exception of the war at the Republics foundation which is just ancient history) is quite simply a pathetic little bar brawl.
the Nids are currently barely being slowed down by the Imperium's star fleet. the Imperium has been at war for 10,000 years, and mankind at war for even longer. This immense experience level with warfare on a galactic level is a massive advantage, but even that(and a Navy which numbers in the hundreds of thousands of Battleships(like the Retribution on Merzo), hundreds of thousands of Cruisers, and millions of Cobra sized escorts, an army that can't even be counted, and the Space Marines) is barely staunching the tide. the only slight hope is that there appear to be no new Nid fleets.
the Galactic Empire, Republic, and Trade Federation are mear infants in the realm of Galactic warfare
and there is the very scary point of Nids eating Jedi. once they get those Midiclorients the Hive Fleet will be truely unstopable.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 15:55:16
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
Karthu'ul, the Heart of the Universe
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Grey Templar wrote:
the Nids are currently barely being slowed down by the Imperium's star fleet. the Imperium has been at war for 10,000 years, and mankind at war for even longer. This immense experience level with warfare on a galactic level is a massive advantage, but even that(and a Navy which numbers in the hundreds of thousands of Battleships(like the Retribution on Merzo), hundreds of thousands of Cruisers, and millions of Cobra sized escorts, an army that can't even be counted, and the Space Marines) is barely staunching the tide. the only slight hope is that there appear to be no new Nid fleets.
and there is the very scary point of Nids eating Jedi. once they get those Midiclorients the Hive Fleet will be truely unstopable.
I put forth that the Imperium's fleet is inferior to the navies of Star Wars.
Second, that's pure conjecture.
Since all living things are connected to the Force, the Tyranids can already be sensed by the Jedi and Sith. Unless the Tyranids produce high levels of midi-chlorians in every cell of their beings, they won't be able to harness the Force.
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There are some who walk until their legs fail them and they fall to the ground. I find that respectable.
Then there are those who drag themselves further. I find that admirable. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 21:00:48
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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1: proof?
we are talking about ships that have cannons that fire slugs the size of large houses, torpedos the size of the Empire State building, and have crews of hundreds of thousands.
2: its not pure conjecture, the Imperial navy is frakkin huge and not just in ship numbers but also size and tonnage. there are shipyards that can build a Cobra sized escort in less then a day, and do many at once, of a size comperable to a Star Destroyer. can star wars build star destroyer sized ships that fast?
3: The Nids would be more then capable of evolving Midiclorients in levels to use the force. the Evolution is psychically driven by the Hive Mind. they just need a sample...
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 21:13:28
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Nerivant wrote:
I put forth that the Imperium's fleet is inferior to the navies of Star Wars.
???  ???
The only advantage SW have on IN is speed.
SW ships have inferior shields, inferior weapons and lack numbers.
And they lack transportation witch means that SM can rape their crew with ease.
Not to mention that they have no protection against Warp.
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 21:20:12
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Ok, Star Wars isn't that bad, but they are still boned.
Star Wars shields only work against energy weapons. missiles and the like pass right through.
this means that only Nid bioplasma will actually be stopped. their solid slug weaponry will just go right through the shields.
I also gather from the movies and books that Star Wars space battles are fought at relativly close range(visable range)
This suggests that their weapons have extremely short ranges compared to 40k(where ships are fighting at distances of thousands of kilometers and can't actually see each other except on sensors) and as such the Nids would begin firing at a massive distance.
so either Star Wars weapons have inferior range, or their targeting systems can't aquire targets beyond a few kilometers. I belive its the former because sensor systems are clearly demonstrated in the movies as picking up ships on the edge of a star system.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 21:27:28
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Post-Empire, Post-RotJ, the New Republic fought a devastating war against the Yuuzan Vong, the already-in-universe Star Wars equivalent to Warhammer 40K's Space Jockey Xenomorph- er, I mean, the Tyranid. The SW Galaxy already fought their version of the Tyranid.
Wasn't easy, billions of lives lost, entire planets consumed... but they won, in the end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 21:31:58
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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and the Vong, while similer to the Nids, were at least not trying to kill everything.
they would just enslave you and take away all mechanical technology.
the Nids are after all biomass. you WILL die.
the Vong were still a race in the sense we can think of. the Nids are one big Super Organisim made up of trillions of smaller organisims. one mind controls all, and it doesn't ask for surrender.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 21:52:59
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Brother Coa wrote:Nerivant wrote:
I put forth that the Imperium's fleet is inferior to the navies of Star Wars.
???  ???
The only advantage SW have on IN is speed.
SW ships have inferior shields, inferior weapons and lack numbers.
And they lack transportation witch means that SM can rape their crew with ease.
Not to mention that they have no protection against Warp.
1) There is no Warp in Star Wars. There's hyperspace, which isn't the same thing. SW ships don't need Warp-protection, it doesn't exist where they do.
2) Transportation? There's 200+ various transport models of ships in the SW universe.
3) Inferior to... what? A Void Shield in 40K stops 1 attack a round.... SW ship shields stop far, far more than this. There's also the fact that some vapor-farm-boy from a backwater desert world can pilot any starship he sits in the cockpit of, he doesn't need 20,000 other people to make the thing flip a U'ey.
4) All capital-class ships of the SW universe are fully capable of carrying out orbital strikes and orbital bombardment alone. They don't need an entire battlegroup or specialized weapons in order to turn a planet into a cinder (look at what happened to Tarsis in the era of the Old Republic...)
missiles and the like pass right through.
No, they don't. This is why Lando is screaming "pull up! pull up!" during the attack on the Death Star II... crashing into the shield of it caused you to explode.
I also gather from the movies and books that Star Wars space battles are fought at relativly close range(visable range)
This suggests that their weapons have extremely short ranges compared to 40k(where ships are fighting at distances of thousands of kilometers and can't actually see each other except on sensors) and as such the Nids would begin firing at a massive distance.
Only in the starfighters, because that's a dogfight, which is exciting. The rest is because watching one ship shoot a laser into what appears to be empty space is visually boring, and SW is, at heart, presented in a visual medium. Just because the other ship is visible "on camera" doesn't mean it's not 60,000 km away.
the Clone Wars, the largest war the Republic(and Empire by extension) had ever fought(with the possable exception of the war at the Republics foundation which is just ancient history) is quite simply a pathetic little bar brawl.
Um, no. Two Jedi Civil Wars, two Sith Wars, the Tapani Systems War, and the Mandalorian Wars were wide-ranging wars of total committal and horrendous cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 22:02:50
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Psienesis wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Nerivant wrote:
I put forth that the Imperium's fleet is inferior to the navies of Star Wars.
???  ???
The only advantage SW have on IN is speed.
SW ships have inferior shields, inferior weapons and lack numbers.
And they lack transportation witch means that SM can rape their crew with ease.
Not to mention that they have no protection against Warp.
1) There is no Warp in Star Wars. There's hyperspace, which isn't the same thing. SW ships don't need Warp-protection, it doesn't exist where they do.
2) Transportation? There's 200+ various transport models of ships in the SW universe.
3) Inferior to... what? A Void Shield in 40K stops 1 attack a round.... SW ship shields stop far, far more than this. There's also the fact that some vapor-farm-boy from a backwater desert world can pilot any starship he sits in the cockpit of, he doesn't need 20,000 other people to make the thing flip a U'ey.
4) All capital-class ships of the SW universe are fully capable of carrying out orbital strikes and orbital bombardment alone. They don't need an entire battlegroup or specialized weapons in order to turn a planet into a cinder (look at what happened to Tarsis in the era of the Old Republic...)
missiles and the like pass right through.
No, they don't. This is why Lando is screaming "pull up! pull up!" during the attack on the Death Star II... crashing into the shield of it caused you to explode.
I also gather from the movies and books that Star Wars space battles are fought at relativly close range(visable range)
This suggests that their weapons have extremely short ranges compared to 40k(where ships are fighting at distances of thousands of kilometers and can't actually see each other except on sensors) and as such the Nids would begin firing at a massive distance.
Only in the starfighters, because that's a dogfight, which is exciting. The rest is because watching one ship shoot a laser into what appears to be empty space is visually boring, and SW is, at heart, presented in a visual medium. Just because the other ship is visible "on camera" doesn't mean it's not 60,000 km away.
the Clone Wars, the largest war the Republic(and Empire by extension) had ever fought(with the possable exception of the war at the Republics foundation which is just ancient history) is quite simply a pathetic little bar brawl.
Um, no. Two Jedi Civil Wars, two Sith Wars, the Tapani Systems War, and the Mandalorian Wars were wide-ranging wars of total committal and horrendous cost.
There is no warp... what kind of useless argument is this? If theres no warp then this entire thread is useless either way, cause the nids wouldn't be there.
Having various transports doesn't make them immume to SM's boarding parties
Stop using game rules instead of fluff when it makes your argument better. Void shields can stop outrageous amounts of destruction before collapsing.
A single captial ship with virus bombs/vortex torpedo's can level a planet in minutes.
And stating the "that's only for show" doesn't really make sense without a source supporting your claim (I don't have any SW knowledge so please prove me wrong here).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/26 22:18:56
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Psienesis just destroyed this thread with his knowledge and he did it with style.
Brilliantly played, sir.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 00:26:00
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
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Psienesis wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Nerivant wrote:
I put forth that the Imperium's fleet is inferior to the navies of Star Wars.
???  ???
The only advantage SW have on IN is speed.
SW ships have inferior shields, inferior weapons and lack numbers.
And they lack transportation witch means that SM can rape their crew with ease.
Not to mention that they have no protection against Warp.
1) There is no Warp in Star Wars. There's hyperspace, which isn't the same thing. SW ships don't need Warp-protection, it doesn't exist where they do.
2) Transportation? There's 200+ various transport models of ships in the SW universe.
3) Inferior to... what? A Void Shield in 40K stops 1 attack a round.... SW ship shields stop far, far more than this. There's also the fact that some vapor-farm-boy from a backwater desert world can pilot any starship he sits in the cockpit of, he doesn't need 20,000 other people to make the thing flip a U'ey.
4) All capital-class ships of the SW universe are fully capable of carrying out orbital strikes and orbital bombardment alone. They don't need an entire battlegroup or specialized weapons in order to turn a planet into a cinder (look at what happened to Tarsis in the era of the Old Republic...)
missiles and the like pass right through.
No, they don't. This is why Lando is screaming "pull up! pull up!" during the attack on the Death Star II... crashing into the shield of it caused you to explode.
I also gather from the movies and books that Star Wars space battles are fought at relativly close range(visable range)
This suggests that their weapons have extremely short ranges compared to 40k(where ships are fighting at distances of thousands of kilometers and can't actually see each other except on sensors) and as such the Nids would begin firing at a massive distance.
Only in the starfighters, because that's a dogfight, which is exciting. The rest is because watching one ship shoot a laser into what appears to be empty space is visually boring, and SW is, at heart, presented in a visual medium. Just because the other ship is visible "on camera" doesn't mean it's not 60,000 km away.
the Clone Wars, the largest war the Republic(and Empire by extension) had ever fought(with the possable exception of the war at the Republics foundation which is just ancient history) is quite simply a pathetic little bar brawl.
Um, no. Two Jedi Civil Wars, two Sith Wars, the Tapani Systems War, and the Mandalorian Wars were wide-ranging wars of total committal and horrendous cost.
actually, as the Warp is an alternate dimension, it is indeed present in the Star Wars universe.
40k, Star Wars, the Warp.... all are seperate dimensions and as such are adjacent to each other if you have cross dimensional travel.
while those wars you mention were "horrific", they are only so in the context of star wars. comparative casualities between 40k and Starwars puts it all in context.
the reason Lando is shouting "pull up" is not that the ships will explode, its because the shields will short out their electronics and they will become dead in the void. Deathstar 1 had shields, how did Luke get into that trench without exploding??? they must not blow your ship up
concussion missiles and Ion Torpedos pass through as they are contact explosives and don't have systems to short out( IIRC)
Star Wars ships ARE extremely close to each other because thats how the movies show it. the movies are the infallable source.
Void Shields work against ANYTHING because they transport the incoming object/energy into the Warp(opening up point-dimensional gateways)
they can be overloaded by too much incoming fire, but they quickly get back up to full power.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 05:58:55
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Psienesis wrote:
1) There is no Warp in Star Wars. There's hyperspace, which isn't the same thing. SW ships don't need Warp-protection, it doesn't exist where they do.
Warp is present everywhere, it's alternate dimension. For instance, Imperial ship blowing up, his Warp engine blow up and create warp-realtime gateway. Daemons pour out and rape SW crews...
2) Transportation? There's 200+ various transport models of ships in the SW universe.
I was refering to FTL, Lucas gave them advantage of enabling to get from one side of the galaxy to other in a matter of hours. While in 40k you need weeks.
3) Inferior to... what? A Void Shield in 40K stops 1 attack a round.... SW ship shields stop far, far more than this. There's also the fact that some vapor-farm-boy from a backwater desert world can pilot any starship he sits in the cockpit of, he doesn't need 20,000 other people to make the thing flip a U'ey.
Void Shield can take punishment so massive that it is ridiculous. It can also provide protection against Daemon incursions + teleportation. Don't know about SW shields dough, I only know then fail after few shots from other ship, and few shots from AT-TE ( like disabling Void Shild on Cobra class ship from few shots from Leman Russ Tank ).
And SW galaxy didn't have Fall of the Eldar which makes 99% of Mankind technology useless and makes the people forgetting 99% of technology because of thousand of years in war, depression and isolation.
4) All capital-class ships of the SW universe are fully capable of carrying out orbital strikes and orbital bombardment alone. They don't need an entire battlegroup or specialized weapons in order to turn a planet into a cinder (look at what happened to Tarsis in the era of the Old Republic...).
Imperium don't need it to. One ship is enough to drop Exterminatus bomb, the rest are there to provide protection ( in Retribution we saw only one ship launching that bomb, not dozen. And I was reading in thread somewhere a while ago that Nova Cannon can reap apart every major SW ship except SSD.
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 06:08:56
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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a Nova cannon basically annhilates everything within several hundred kilometers(the size of the blast)
the charge is fired using a massive Railgun, the charge itself creates the equivilant of a small star for a split second at the point of detonation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 08:58:16
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Brother Coa wrote:
Imperium don't need it to. One ship is enough to drop Exterminatus bomb, the rest are there to provide protection ( in Retribution we saw only one ship launching that bomb, not dozen. And I was reading in thread somewhere a while ago that Nova Cannon can reap apart every major SW ship except SSD.
Speaking of that bomb, is anyone else confused as to how you can go back and do another mission on a planet that just got hit by a Cyclonic Torpedo?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 10:50:08
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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I think it would depend on who controlled the spice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 12:03:19
Subject: Re:40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 12:11:50
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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coolyo294 wrote:For the love of god, how many "who would win" threads do we need?
A bunch. If its not your cup of tea. Don't read them. I avoid most of the internet for just that reason. Automatically Appended Next Post: Jimsolo wrote:Does the 'Shadow in the Warp' affect Force powers? If so, Star Wars is indeed boned. Otherwise, Star Wars annihilates the Nids.
Nids will get annihilated. Republic forces high FTL hyperspace capabilities mean they can concentrate forces easily, which makes for an epic logistrics train. Their manufacturing base is staggering, and they learn and adapt. Automatically Appended Next Post: Nerivant wrote:DrownedRat117 wrote:Surely if the galaxy is huge that makes Star Wars EVEN more buttslammed?
How long does it take a Hive Fleet to traverse the galaxy?
The Republic Navy could draw in all its assets from all over the galaxy, resupply, and meet the Tyranids in under a week.
Exactly. The Republic could play Guadalcanal in space, dumping their massive numbers of droids on some world, constantly reinforcing and effectively keeping the Nids pinned there because in a long drawn out engagement, while at the same time whittling their hive fleet down. The death star construction plan accelerates until at least one is ready and begins to obliterate the major hive ships. Automatically Appended Next Post: coolyo294 wrote:Red Comet wrote:I would have to say the Star Wars Galaxy wins simply because they have so many troops that they dump out like nothing. Clones are bred easily and in about 10 years they are fit for battle. Only if the Tyranids invaded all of the outer rim worlds at once would the nids lose. Also in the Star Wars Universe it seems like they concoct some kind of Super Weapon in the span of 2 to 3 months. I know we are talking about pre Revenge of the Sith here. Also the droids are lifeless. I think the only soldier in the separatist army who could be consumed is General Grievous and even then he's not much.
Tyranids can make troops much faster then the Republic.
How do you know?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 12:54:35
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Frazzled wrote:
How do you know?
In Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 3 it was stated that number of clones currently in war is about few million.
And how many solders can Tyranids have in just a few hours on the planet?
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Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/27 13:07:55
Subject: 40k vs. Star Wars but in a different kind of way.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Frazzled wrote:coolyo294 wrote:For the love of god, how many "who would win" threads do we need?
A bunch. If its not your cup of tea. Don't read them. I avoid most of the internet for just that reason.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Jimsolo wrote:Does the 'Shadow in the Warp' affect Force powers? If so, Star Wars is indeed boned. Otherwise, Star Wars annihilates the Nids.
1: Nids will get annihilated. Republic forces high FTL hyperspace capabilities mean they can concentrate forces easily, which makes for an epic logistrics train. Their manufacturing base is staggering, and they learn and adapt.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Nerivant wrote:DrownedRat117 wrote:Surely if the galaxy is huge that makes Star Wars EVEN more buttslammed?
How long does it take a Hive Fleet to traverse the galaxy?
2: The Republic Navy could draw in all its assets from all over the galaxy, resupply, and meet the Tyranids in under a week.
Exactly. The Republic could play Guadalcanal in space, dumping their massive numbers of droids on some world, constantly reinforcing and effectively keeping the Nids pinned there because in a long drawn out engagement, while at the same time whittling their hive fleet down. The death star construction plan accelerates until at least one is ready and begins to obliterate the major hive ships.
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coolyo294 wrote:[quote=Red Comet: I would have to say the Star Wars Galaxy wins simply because they have so many troops that they dump out like nothing. Clones are bred easily and in about 10 years they are fit for battle. Only if the Tyranids invaded all of the outer rim worlds at once would the nids lose. Also in the Star Wars Universe it seems like they concoct some kind of Super Weapon in the span of 2 to 3 months. I know we are talking about pre Revenge of the Sith here. Also the droids are lifeless. I think the only soldier in the separatist army who could be consumed is General Grievous and even then he's not much.
Tyranids can make troops much faster then the Republic.
3: How do you know?
1: that would be like tossing rocks at the tide and willing it back. the largest Nid ships are easily 100 times the size of any ships the Republic or Trade Federation have. they would simply shrug off the damage they took, assuming anything got through the spore clouds.
the Star Wars manufacturing capacity hasn't been seen as massive in any sense. only a few million clones for the entire clone wars is pretty pathetic.
2: this is true, but I reiterate my earlier point. the Republic and CIS wouldn't see that the nids are a clear and present danger simply because their advance is so slow. one year, the nids eat a planet. 5 years later they eat another planet. this is simply too slow for them to consider a threat. the Jedi might have a different view, but the focus will remain on the CIS with the Jedi perhaps attempting to divert attention.
3: Tyranids invade in swarms billions strong. the biomorphs which attack a planet are usually spawned a few hours before they attack. the only creatures which are alive while traveling the void are bugs which guard the hive ship's interior.
the Hive Mind can then adapt its force within days to a hostile enviroment(as in the Ultramarine novels where the planet is too cold at first, so the hive mind evolves fat deposits for its gaunts so they can survive the cold. all this within a few days)
this rapid change means that billions of new gaunts were spawned in very little time at all. Star Wars is screwed as long as Nids have planets to nom.
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