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Darkvoidof40k wrote:Really?

Yes really.

One giant and evil space lobster, to me, is the same as any other.

This little one isn't worth the trouble. Come, let me get you something.

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Star Destroyers are approximatly the same size as a Republic Cruiser(if not bigger)

and there is a Federation Battleship on that page too(I even said so)



the point still stands. Nid ship size means its impossable to defeat them in Ship to Ship conflict(and he who holds space, holds the planet)

"Star Destroyer" is a term used to describe a certain size of ship, the one referred to on that page is the Imperial II-class Star Destroyer. (Or an Imperial I-class, but they're the same length.)

Is there some place where I can find fleet strengths and physical specifications for Tyranid ships, so I can combat your rediculous claim that nobody can defeat the Tyranids in space combat?

you certaintly won't be defeating them with ships that small.




you could look up the BFG rules which are for free download on GWs website and compare the ship stats to the Imperial ships on Merzo.

BFG is almosts completely based on fluff and has little toning down of ships for balance(Necron's are hidiously overpowered)

Grey Templar wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Star Destroyers are approximatly the same size as a Republic Cruiser(if not bigger)

and there is a Federation Battleship on that page too(I even said so)



the point still stands. Nid ship size means its impossable to defeat them in Ship to Ship conflict(and he who holds space, holds the planet)

"Star Destroyer" is a term used to describe a certain size of ship, the one referred to on that page is the Imperial II-class Star Destroyer. (Or an Imperial I-class, but they're the same length.)

Is there some place where I can find fleet strengths and physical specifications for Tyranid ships, so I can combat your rediculous claim that nobody can defeat the Tyranids in space combat?

you certaintly won't be defeating them with ships that small.




you could look up the BFG rules which are for free download on GWs website and compare the ship stats to the Imperial ships on Merzo.

BFG is almosts completely based on fluff and has little toning down of ships for balance(Necron's are hidiously overpowered)

Star Wars ships punch far above their weight class, though.

I'm looking for info like speed, acceleration, stuff like that.

That may involve alot of cross refferencing between imperium ship speed and the speed of your hive fleets.
So you may have to look at Rogue Trader for the ships and then cross refference/draw conclusions

Wardragoon wrote:That may involve alot of cross refferencing between imperium ship speed and the speed of your hive fleets.
So you may have to look at Rogue Trader for the ships and then cross refference/draw conclusions

I might just do that.

Anyway, a fun website if anyone feels like doing some reading about this. Compares Star Wars and Star Trek technology, and puts some solid (but not canon) numbers on SW weaponry.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/


I still think the ability of the SW universe to respond with overwhelming speed and force from across the galaxy will squash any Hive Fleet sent their way.

Nerivant wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:That may involve alot of cross refferencing between imperium ship speed and the speed of your hive fleets.
So you may have to look at Rogue Trader for the ships and then cross refference/draw conclusions

I might just do that.

Anyway, a fun website if anyone feels like doing some reading about this. Compares Star Wars and Star Trek technology, and puts some solid (but not canon) numbers on SW weaponry.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/


I still think the ability of the SW galaxy to respond with overwhelming speed and force from across the galaxy will squash any Hive Fleet sent their way.

Stargate fan, not Star Trek

Wardragoon wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:That may involve alot of cross refferencing between imperium ship speed and the speed of your hive fleets.
So you may have to look at Rogue Trader for the ships and then cross refference/draw conclusions

I might just do that.

Anyway, a fun website if anyone feels like doing some reading about this. Compares Star Wars and Star Trek technology, and puts some solid (but not canon) numbers on SW weaponry.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/


I still think the ability of the SW galaxy to respond with overwhelming speed and force from across the galaxy will squash any Hive Fleet sent their way.

Stargate fan, not Star Trek

Heh, I'm a fan of all three. Most Sci-fi, actually. Even the really terrible B-movie stuff.

Well, on the page templar posted you see an emperor class imperial battleship (which is a giant compared to the SW ones it seems).

These are sometimes dwarfed in the fluff by Hive ships.

another edit:

Taken from BFG:

" There are also unsubstantiated reports that there are a very
small number of hive ships in every swarm that
are much more massive than the rest. Dwarfing
even great battleships, these immeasurably vast
creatures arrive very late in the process of
planetary assimilation and are believed to be
those responsible for the method by which even
the atmosphere and oceans are consumed from
orbit, as the final stage of the world’s
consumption by the hive flee"

Your going to need more Jedi.....nom nom nom

Grey Templar wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Star Destroyers are approximatly the same size as a Republic Cruiser(if not bigger)

and there is a Federation Battleship on that page too(I even said so)



the point still stands. Nid ship size means its impossable to defeat them in Ship to Ship conflict(and he who holds space, holds the planet)

"Star Destroyer" is a term used to describe a certain size of ship, the one referred to on that page is the Imperial II-class Star Destroyer. (Or an Imperial I-class, but they're the same length.)

Is there some place where I can find fleet strengths and physical specifications for Tyranid ships, so I can combat your rediculous claim that nobody can defeat the Tyranids in space combat?

you certaintly won't be defeating them with ships that small.)

Irony..

Surely if the galaxy is huge that makes Star Wars EVEN more buttslammed?

The Hive Mind is a smart cookie, and will figure to go to weaker, more edible planets (EG Naboo) Before taking on the big guns, just upping numbers. Lets be honest, no amount of, well, anything can truly eradicate the Nids.

I would have to say the Star Wars Galaxy wins simply because they have so many troops that they dump out like nothing. Clones are bred easily and in about 10 years they are fit for battle. Only if the Tyranids invaded all of the outer rim worlds at once would the nids lose. Also in the Star Wars Universe it seems like they concoct some kind of Super Weapon in the span of 2 to 3 months. I know we are talking about pre Revenge of the Sith here. Also the droids are lifeless. I think the only soldier in the separatist army who could be consumed is General Grievous and even then he's not much.

DrownedRat117 wrote:Surely if the galaxy is huge that makes Star Wars EVEN more buttslammed?

How long does it take a Hive Fleet to traverse the galaxy?

The Republic Navy could draw in all its assets from all over the galaxy, resupply, and meet the Tyranids in under a week.

Red Comet wrote:I would have to say the Star Wars Galaxy wins simply because they have so many troops that they dump out like nothing. Clones are bred easily and in about 10 years they are fit for battle. Only if the Tyranids invaded all of the outer rim worlds at once would the nids lose. Also in the Star Wars Universe it seems like they concoct some kind of Super Weapon in the span of 2 to 3 months. I know we are talking about pre Revenge of the Sith here. Also the droids are lifeless. I think the only soldier in the separatist army who could be consumed is General Grievous and even then he's not much.

Tyranids can make troops much faster then the Republic.

coolyo294 wrote:

Red Comet wrote:I would have to say the Star Wars Galaxy wins simply because they have so many troops that they dump out like nothing. Clones are bred easily and in about 10 years they are fit for battle. Only if the Tyranids invaded all of the outer rim worlds at once would the nids lose. Also in the Star Wars Universe it seems like they concoct some kind of Super Weapon in the span of 2 to 3 months. I know we are talking about pre Revenge of the Sith here. Also the droids are lifeless. I think the only soldier in the separatist army who could be consumed is General Grievous and even then he's not much.

Tyranids can make troops much faster then the Republic.

I agree, but I doubt the Tyranids can cover the entire galaxy in a decade. In 40k the Nids have gotten far into the galaxy after like 2 or 3 centuries? That's actually a rather long stretch of time in the Star Wars universe. Most weapons can easily be made in no time with SW plot devices.

Nids still put up a good fight in space.
And there's always 'Stealer cults. Need a lot of Jedi to sense those gits out.

What if they kept quiet about it? They sneak around the Star Wars Galaxy, so to speak, and eat up empty, life rich planets. If either factions stumble upon the now barren space rock, they will make a big legend about it. There are a few myths and legends within Star Wars, why not add another to the pile?

DrownedRat117 wrote:Nids still put up a good fight in space.
And there's always 'Stealer cults. Need a lot of Jedi to sense those gits out.

What if they kept quiet about it? They sneak around the Star Wars Galaxy, so to speak, and eat up empty, life rich planets. If either factions stumble upon the now barren space rock, they will make a big legend about it. There are a few myths and legends within Star Wars, why not add another to the pile?

The Holonet allows for real-time communication across the galaxy. Even in areas that rely on subspace relay stations, the speed of ships in the SW universe means that people are going to notice, fast.

That would work until they got to Dagobah.

Master Yoda would whoop all that ass.

When you have 2 Hive Fleets that enter the galaxy at the initial size of Leviathan, I don't think any amount of speed can combat this duo of enormous life leeching tendrils.
They will expand too rapidly. The Star Wars fleets would probably give most of their fleets to the first battle, probably between them and 1 of the two tendrils.
The fleet would be
a) Battered, ready for the second to finish the job
b) Gone, leaving the rest nearly helpless morsels for the Hive Minds endless hunger

Nerivant wrote:

DrownedRat117 wrote:Surely if the galaxy is huge that makes Star Wars EVEN more buttslammed?

How long does it take a Hive Fleet to traverse the galaxy?

The Republic Navy could draw in all its assets from all over the galaxy, resupply, and meet the Tyranids in under a week.

Nids have a slow, but inescapable method of FTL.


a ship called a Narval locks on to a tasty looking planet's gravitational field(Gravity has an unlimited range)

the Narval then basically bends space to create a gravity slip. the entire fleet follows the Narval into the slip and uses the planet's gravitational pull to propel itself forwards at speeds faster then light. its still slower then other forms of travel, but as it gets closer to a planet it speeds up.

this Space altering process causes massive problems for the targeted planet. people lose their minds, tides fluctuate wildly, and psykers(presumably the force would be a psychic based concept) go bannanas.


so the death of the Star Wars universe would be a slow, but steady one.






the Trade Federation wouldn't be a pointless target, unlike the necrons in 40k(who are completely lifeless). they use droids to fight, but there are still plenty of flesh and blood creatures that are non-combatants(someones gotta slave away in the fields/mines/factories)




the only problem with all the star wars super weapons, namely the Death Star, is that they tend to be devestating against a single target. Nids have millions of targets.


the Nids would evolve something to counter weapons which were giving them issues and the speed of this evolution is frightening. a Nid fleet evolved a special shield of spores to stop a Nova Cannon blast in only a few hours.





and there is still the Genestealer problem.

these guys would use the rapid FTL travel Star Wars has against them. Cults would pop up everywhere practically simultainiously.

while these guys are causing massive disruptions, the Hive Fleet slowely noms its way through the galaxy. Imperial Xenologists didn't even realize that Genestealers were a Tyranid subspecies untill the Tyranid invasion was well underway.

Star Wars guys would probably also take awhile to draw the conclusion. and once they do realize it, it will probably cause even greater panic.



and don't even think about using Bioweaponry. last time nids got hit with this stuff they just got even nastier(hence why it is forbidden to directly Virus Bomb the Nids. we don't want em getting any ideas)

Lets go back to the OP. A Republic Navy fleet, less than 1% of its naval power, and a Trade Federation fleet in combat, when the Hive Fleets arrive.

The speed of Holonet transmissions means that the entire Republic Navy knows about the threat.

Genestealers don't fall into the scenario put forth by the OP.

I honestly want to say that Yoda would have the ability to use his mind to crush fleet chunks away, but the Hive Mind is too great to be messed with, and the power of Zoanthropes, and the overflowing consciousness of a hundred million gaunts would tear a mind to shreds


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Nerivant wrote:Lets go back to the OP. A Republic Navy fleet, less than 1% of its naval power, and a Trade Federation fleet in combat, when the Hive Fleets arrive.

The speed of Holonet transmissions means that the entire Republic Navy knows about the threat.

Genestealers don't fall into the scenario put forth by the OP.

I reckon some clone scientist dude would be like "Hey, what cool things, lets take some to examine!"

30 seconds later the ship would be like a sneaky Dead Space. At that point is it truly over.

DrownedRat117 wrote:I honestly want to say that Yoda would have the ability to use his mind to crush fleet chunks away, but the Hive Mind is too great to be messed with, and the power of Zoanthropes, and the overflowing consciousness of a hundred million gaunts would tear a mind to shreds

Unless you're Eldrad. Or Tigurius.

But they're not here. This was a long time ago, those guys were AT LEAST 50,000 years later. How old is Eldrad?

DrownedRat117 wrote:I honestly want to say that Yoda would have the ability to use his mind to crush fleet chunks away, but the Hive Mind is too great to be messed with, and the power of Zoanthropes, and the overflowing consciousness of a hundred million gaunts would tear a mind to shreds


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Nerivant wrote:Lets go back to the OP. A Republic Navy fleet, less than 1% of its naval power, and a Trade Federation fleet in combat, when the Hive Fleets arrive.

The speed of Holonet transmissions means that the entire Republic Navy knows about the threat.

Genestealers don't fall into the scenario put forth by the OP.

I reckon some clone scientist dude would be like "Hey, what cool things, lets take some to examine!"

30 seconds later the ship would be like a sneaky Dead Space. At that point is it truly over.

It'd be more like "hey, that thing looks very, very not friendly. Burn it."

Then it would be host to a few gigatons worth of TNT.

I didn't even know clones had fire/explosives/bullets.

IT's all lasers over there

DrownedRat117 wrote:But they're not here.

That's not really the point.

People have succesfully tangled with the Hive Mind was the main gist of my statement.

DrownedRat117 wrote:I didn't even know clones had fire/explosives/bullets.

IT's all lasers over there

The energy released in a single shot from a heavy turbolaser (which isn't a laser, strangely) has been calculated to be the equivalent of at least a gigaton of TNT, if not more.

Nerivant wrote:Lets go back to the OP. A Republic Navy fleet, less than 1% of its naval power, and a Trade Federation fleet in combat, when the Hive Fleets arrive.

The speed of Holonet transmissions means that the entire Republic Navy knows about the threat.

Genestealers don't fall into the scenario put forth by the OP.

Nids are in the equation, therefore Genestealers are too.


Genestealers are the Vanguard of the Tyranid fleets.




Said Republic and Federation fleets will be utterly crushed unless they quickly retreat.



due to the size of their ships, the Republic and Federation will be reduced to making hit and run attacks against the Nid Fleets.

they won't be able to stop the inexorable advance upon world after world.




in additon, the slow travel of the Nid fleets may cause both sides to simply disregard the Nids. they won't even know that they are being attacked because the planet invasions have such large intervels in between them.


the Republic will leave the Nids alone to fight the Federation. the Nids will gradually take planet after planet while the much faster paced Clone Wars rage in the galactic center.

Monster Rain wrote:

DrownedRat117 wrote:But they're not here.

That's not really the point.

People have succesfully tangled with the Hive Mind was the main gist of my statement.

I know. Just saying.