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**Toastedandy**

See the size of those guns?! SW ships would be able to fit inside them! they would be vaporized

**Emperors Faithful**

Spoiler:

**Toastedandy**

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Spoiler:

I think we win.

Dare I say it....I think your right!

**Tech Guard**

I think we do FOR THE EMPORER!!!!!!!!(and not that guy in the black robes, i mean the guy in the golden seat, who can beat gold honestly).

**Canadian 5th**

Emperors Faithful wrote:

That was hilarious. Seriously, that cracked me up. How do any of these pathetic examples (note: I am attacking the effectiveness of the examples not you ) measure up to the balls-droppingly hardcore and numerous Imperial Guard that can crush them underfoot like Megatron crushes baby pandas?

These forces are pathetic how again? You will show that their defense ships, planetary shields, planetary guns, and space stations will fall to the same forces that are able to threaten Imperial worlds. Wait, you won't.

Boom Headshot.

So bad fanart is the best you have now?

Play BFG. Comprehend vast distances in space. Have epiphany.

Just joking, to launch Teleportation assualt the ships have to be fairly close. Within range of most of the Imperium's barrage weapons.

So what, like light minute ranges? Light second ranges? 10,000's of thousands of kilometers? Less?

Are you forgetting that planets have resources and to control resources you'd need to control the planet?

Cool, so you obliterate a Hive City (though a fe noteworthy exceptions actually have Shields that can resist Orbital Bombardments). No chance in hell of getting anything useful from there anytime soon. And the Imperium has no such restrictions. I can see it now, the Flesh Tearers company landing outside the head of the Galactic Empire. A day that will live in infamy...

You mean a continent right? Yottaton scale weapons are more than able to leave thousand mile gashes in a world and sere a world with fire just from the first shot. What IoM weapon is able to do this via the type of brute force that would effect a shielded ship?

What are you talking about? They're stowing away. Like genestealers do.

Oh, and stowaways are never caught at customs checkpoints right...

Right, becuase everytime a genestealer cult has sprouted up unchecked it's ended just fine and dandy for everyone involved. Please listen to yourself. They bring down Hive Worlds.

They have brought down hive worlds, they have also failed to do so. Also, even when they have done things like kill a Hive world, it has taken generations to reach that stage. Given that a Generation is around 20 years and they usually become effective by the 4th or 5th generation that means 80 - 100 years from infection to fall in most cases.

Yes, energy weapons wouldn't need it. Also, does the droid tank have a belt feed or is there a loader?

See for yourself.

**Tech Guard**

lol i think i took credit for your work sorry

**Emperors Faithful**

Toastedandy wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:

Spoiler:

I think we win.

Dare I say it....I think your right!

Humility in Victory, Brother. It is only by His Will that the debate is ours this day.

**Canadian 5th**

Toastedandy wrote:See the size of those guns?! SW ships would be able to fit inside them! they would be vaporized

Yet the Schwerer Gustav shell does less damage than a man portable Davy Crockett. You were saying?

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Emperors Faithful wrote:Humility in Victory, Brother. It is only by His Will that the debate is ours this day.

The debate is hardly yours, when you can source a claim correctly and answer my numbers with numbers of your own then call me.

**Toastedandy**

Ah yes, comparing a nuclear device to an outdated ineffective artillery shell. I stand by my point.

You did look at the pic didn't you?

Arguing with fan boy's is difficult. But I think that pic does sway the debate into our favour, please, prove us wrong.

**Canadian 5th**

Toastedandy wrote:Ah yes, comparing a nuclear device to an outdated ineffective artillery shell. I stand by my point.

The Schwerer Gustav was hardly ineffective and on a technological scale the IoM is at least as far behind the GE/Republic as WWII Earth was behind 1980's Earth.

What's that, the ISD can't even fit into the frame...

**Brother Coa**

Canadian 5th wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:And I bet that the Tau can make short work of any SW vehicles, not to mention ground forces. And the fact that 40k infantry is better equipped and trained then any SW troopers. And just a sheer number of Ork infantry or Guard that can be deployed. SW troopers ( some ) may have better equipment, but 40k have quantity that SW don't have. 40k als ohave cc troops that SW in Clone Wars and Imperial rea lack, they are equipped with teleporters, jump packs, jet packs... 40k also have battlesuits and heavy tactical armors. And 40k weapons are better in dealing damage than SW weapons and they are more practical. And for SW armor, AT-AT get shot in the head from Baneblade or Lascannon shot in the leg, they are also equipped with Hydras for air and others.... In terms of ground combat 40k rapes SW.

You bet, so you can't or won't do the math then?

You're also going to show that I was wrong when I showed that the GE/Republic can recruit billions of troops if they only take 1% of combat ready people from 0.1% of their worlds. Assuming that the million worlds mentioned are all tax paying member worlds and that the average galactic population is around 17 billion per planet, and that only 1% are recruited and of them half wash out then the GE/Republic military could swell to as large as 85 trillion soldiers without cloning or droid production and without taking much of a dent out of the galactic population. Given that in the US the population that could be brought into service is about 40% of the population Star Wars could raise a force as large as 425 trillion soldiers while taking only 5% of the population to fight and without cloning or droids, they can replace at least 42 trillion soldiers just with people coming of age to serve as well.

Also I expect you to show that close combat will work against a foe that fights in a modern style, (ie not WWI style trenches as we see in Gaunts Ghots and many other sources). You will also show that a Lascannon is stronger than the blasters on the Snow Speeders at Hoth.

How many times did we see Astartes winning the impossible even when defeat is assured? They can't do it alone, but they can hit so hard and so fast that the enemy will be obliterated in the end. Just see Armageddon war, Tarsis Ultra and others...

They also lose such as at Ultramar. Many battles we see them in are propaganda stories, you rarely see reports of their loses in any detail.

You really dig yourself in here. And how many of those Superweapons SW have? DS is destroyed, few of those were destroyed even before that. Nobody knows how many Blackstone fortresses are in the galaxy, Eldar have at least dosen strong Craftworlds in the galaxy, and I don't want to start with Necron Dommsday Monoliths...

The DS is still alive and well in the OP's scenario, though it might not yet be completed. It was also killed by a shot that only Luke could have made and that 40k lacks the weapons to accomplish. When they have missiles that small pulling 72,000G turns call me.

The Eldar often don't fight, you can use a weapon you don't have, and the Necrons are still napping.

Humans are the most numerous race in SW, and they are all corruptible. In the end, Daemons only need flesh and souls of the mortals. They don't possess - they kill and eat and torture. And because 99% of them are melle specialist, SW troopers have little chance against them in combat.

You're going to prove that Star Wars humans and 40k humans are the same now. Given that 40k humans are said to have been mutated to be more psychic and this more corruptible by the Old Ones this will be rather hard.

Easy. Normal teleportation work in a way that our body is break down into molecules and atoms and transported via incredible speeds across space. This can't go trough any shields.
40k teleportation is different. Here we don't break down - we enter warp. And since warp is another universe, there in no shield bypass really, just reappearing from another universe on the specific place. And since they don't have anything to do with our universe, the shields are useless.

Shields specifically block energy and things in hyperspace can be blocked by shields showing that Star Wars shields do block energy and matter from other universes. next.

Numberless means that worlds in 40k are more populated than SW ( just see Ork worlds ). And there are so many variables and such that it is impossible to number them. Same goes for ships. You can't say: "typical battlefleet is between 50 and 75 ships" when we don't know how many ships Imperial Navy truly have, at Battle for Macragge IN had two hundred warships but it was also stated that every star system in 40k that belongs to the Imperium must have at least 10-15 ships for protection. And Segmentum planets ( like Baka ) have even more due to strategic importance. x1.000.000 planets and you get ridiculous number of ships. And that one battle was fought with Republic and Separatist Navy throwing EVERYTHING they got at one another, if I recall correctly CIS lost after that because they lack fleet. And I even didn't mentioned other races, Necron one fleet can own every SW fleet triple their numbers...

Provide a source for the 10 to 15 ship number. Show that they have every assembled a fleet of 2,000+ warships. Also the CIS lost because Palpatine had accomplished his goal and even then small pockets of the CIS kept fighting for a while not being sure things were really done.

And set that in 120.000 light years galaxy and that is poor number for number of worlds they have to protect. I already said that IoM have average 10-15 ships per system + more ships at Segmentum capital planets. Eldar have Craftworlds size of Earth and Jupiter, Necrons have ships that can phase out and in wherever they want, Tyranids have limitless number of ships due to reproduction in space... And Imperial ships aren't that primitive, if you didn't know they use plasma reactors and warp engine for their power and travel needs, not coal...

I've also shown that that is for GE sector fleets only. This doesn't count PDF forces and other large fleets that the Hutts, Hapans, CSA, Corellians, and Chiss have.

Original War with Necrons, Fall of the Eldar, Horus Heresy and after that 10.000 years of constant warfare...
40k scale is WAY bigger than SW when it comes to warfare...

Just admit it, in terms of epicnes, warfare and all other 40k is way better.... And Star Wars lack one thing that other sci-fi has: Earth.

This proves nothing either way and I think your no numbers approach is lame. Find actual citations for your numbers as I have done.

Ok, now I am going to say a few thing:
-You love SW so much that you can't admit that 40k is better in some things. Even when it is obvious.
-How can I give you numbers for someone witch ios numberless? And you provided numbers but not source for everything you numbered ( I believe you taht there as around 2.000 ships in a battle for Corrusant. But that Empire now has only 20.000+ SD... source needed... ).
-Then you break the laws of physics saying that other-universe matter can go tryout them. You even bring ST into citation when I say in Voyager 8472 going trough it's shields like me going trough water. This only proves your fanboyism...
-You are saying that DS is alive and well and we say 2 of them blow up like Hiroshima. And you are again giving numbers to things not relevant to us.
-And you are asking for source when you can't even prove yours?

Obiviously you are Star Wars fan to the core and don't take logic but fanboyism at first place.
You should be named Corrusant 5'th or Kamino 5'th, you are not worthy of the name Cadian 5'th.

I am done talking to you Star Wars-e... ( since we all know that this debate will go until either Lukas or GW admit that their universe suck... ).

**Toastedandy**

Canadian 5th wrote:
Toastedandy wrote:Ah yes, comparing a nuclear device to an outdated ineffective artillery shell. I stand by my point.

The Schwerer Gustav was hardly ineffective and on a technological scale the IoM is at least as far behind the GE/Republic as WWII Earth was behind 1980's Earth.

Still whop that universe around easily.

imperium of man = Blunt instrument of war refined over constant battles for survival. War is a constant thing in 40k. Trillions of billions of hours have been devoted to the art of war.
Republic: = pansy who fight on occasion.

**Tech Guard**

" I am george lukas my universe sucks ass, 40k bends me over the table" exact quote.

**Brother Coa**

Raxmei wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Raxmei wrote:None of that actually tells you that every star system in the Imperium has 10-15 ships for protection.

Then go read Battlefleet Gothic...
I have read Battlefleet Gothic. It does not support your position. You have claimed that it is stated that every world belonging to the Imperium has 10-15 ships for protection. As if there were some sort of statement somewhere stating something to that effect. If there really is such a statement you should be able to supply something better than a bunch of quotes saying completely different things and a book title.

Merchant and civilian ships, they have weapon to you know...
And the citation from Lexicanum said that every planet have them. And have at least dosen't of them with armaments. BFG says that to.
That are not warships to be mentioned but they are enough to hold down space until help arrives.
And what did Ultramarines did at Macragge? They turned EVERY civilian and merchant ship into battleship ( by giving them their armaments ) and hold down Tyranid fleet until Segmentum fleet arrived.

**Emperors Faithful**

Canadian 5th wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:

That was hilarious. Seriously, that cracked me up. How do any of these pathetic examples (note: I am attacking the effectiveness of the examples not you ) measure up to the balls-droppingly hardcore and numerous Imperial Guard that can crush them underfoot like Megatron crushes baby pandas?

These forces are pathetic how again? You will show that their defense ships, planetary shields, planetary guns, and space stations will fall to the same forces that are able to threaten Imperial worlds. Wait, you won't.

It's less hilarious when you keep doing it. Still funny though.

Boom Headshot.
*image with big ship*

So bad fanart is the best you have now?

Nope, Imperial Ships are described as being kilometres in length. A conservative estimate of the Emperor Class puts it at about 6km. A Retribution class is 8km.

This is funny, it's like compulsive denial, but...well, yeah it actually is compulsive denial.

Play BFG. Comprehend vast distances in space. Have epiphany.

Just joking, to launch Teleportation assualt the ships have to be fairly close. Within range of most of the Imperium's barrage weapons.

So what, like light minute ranges? Light second ranges? 10,000's of thousands of kilometers? Less?

Bugger, the last time I played BFG was a year ago. I remember you had to be around 12cm away or such on the board, but I can't remember what that translatede to IRL. Anyone here play BFG and can help?

Are you forgetting that planets have resources and to control resources you'd need to control the planet?

Cool, so you obliterate a Hive City (though a fe noteworthy exceptions actually have Shields that can resist Orbital Bombardments). No chance in hell of getting anything useful from there anytime soon. And the Imperium has no such restrictions. I can see it now, the Flesh Tearers company landing outside the head of the Galactic Empire. A day that will live in infamy...

You mean a continent right? Yottaton scale weapons are more than able to leave thousand mile gashes in a world and sere a world with fire just from the first shot. What IoM weapon is able to do this via the type of brute force that would effect a shielded ship?

Ignoring the point about controlling resources? Cool.

What are you talking about? They're stowing away. Like genestealers do.

Oh, and stowaways are never caught at customs checkpoints right...

Why would they be? Smugglers get through your average checkpoints in SW all the time. A genestealer stowed away on a ship, any ship, is going to be impossible to find short of a full strip-search of the ship itself. Something the SW galaxy doesn't do all that much.

Right, becuase everytime a genestealer cult has sprouted up unchecked it's ended just fine and dandy for everyone involved. Please listen to yourself. They bring down Hive Worlds.

They have brought down hive worlds, they have also failed to do so. Also, even when they have done things like kill a Hive world, it has taken generations to reach that stage. Given that a Generation is around 20 years and they usually become effective by the 4th or 5th generation that means 80 - 100 years from infection to fall in most cases.

And? That just shows that they are more than capable of bringing down planets that number in the hundreds of billions.

And that's with the Ordo Xenos and Deathwatch chasing them, an organization specifically designed to root them out.

**Brother Coa**

And 5'th tell us SW against everyone except the OP.
Stay on the course people...

**Canadian 5th**

Brother Coa wrote:Ok, now I am going to say a few thing:
-You love SW so much that you can't admit that 40k is better in some things. Even when it is obvious.
-How can I give you numbers for someone witch ios numberless? And you provided numbers but not source for everything you numbered ( I believe you taht there as around 2.000 ships in a battle for Corrusant. But that Empire now has only 20.000+ SD... source needed... ).
-Then you break the laws of physics saying that other-universe matter can go tryout them. You even bring ST into citation when I say in Voyager 8472 going trough it's shields like me going trough water. This only proves your fanboyism...
-You are saying that DS is alive and well and we say 2 of them blow up like Hiroshima. And you are again giving numbers to things not relevant to us.
-And you are asking for source when you can't even prove yours?

Obiviously you are Star Wars fan to the core and don't take logic but fanboyism at first place.
You should be named Corrusant 5'th or Kamino 5'th, you are not worthy of the name Cadian 5'th.

I am done talking to you Star Wars-e... ( since we all know that this debate will go until either Lukas or GW admit that their universe suck... ).

You haven't provided any numbers or sources for your claims and now your run away claiming to have won.

I gave you sources and if asked I would have dug up more. You never asked.

I never mentioned Trek...

The OP set this scenario up before either DS was killed... You don't have much of a point.

How many page numbers have you given so far? How much math have you done to prove your point again?

My name is not Cadian 5th, unless you're blind you can see that it is Canadian 5th, as in related to Canada not 40k.

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Brother Coa wrote:
Raxmei wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Raxmei wrote:None of that actually tells you that every star system in the Imperium has 10-15 ships for protection.

Then go read Battlefleet Gothic...
I have read Battlefleet Gothic. It does not support your position. You have claimed that it is stated that every world belonging to the Imperium has 10-15 ships for protection. As if there were some sort of statement somewhere stating something to that effect. If there really is such a statement you should be able to supply something better than a bunch of quotes saying completely different things and a book title.

Merchant and civilian ships, they have weapon to you know...
And the citation from Lexicanum said that every planet have them. And have at least dosen't of them with armaments. BFG says that to.
That are not warships to be mentioned but they are enough to hold down space until help arrives.
And what did Ultramarines did at Macragge? They turned EVERY civilian and merchant ship into battleship ( by giving them their armaments ) and hold down Tyranid fleet until Segmentum fleet arrived.

What does 'least dosen't of them with armaments' mean?

**Toastedandy**

All the math you have done hasn't proven anything

**Raxmei**

Brother Coa wrote:
Merchant and civilian ships, they have weapon to you know...
And the citation from Lexicanum said that every planet have them. And have at least dosen't of them with armaments. BFG says that to.
That are not warships to be mentioned but they are enough to hold down space until help arrives.
And what did Ultramarines did at Macragge? They turned EVERY civilian and merchant ship into battleship ( by giving them their armaments ) and hold down Tyranid fleet until Segmentum fleet arrived.

You have made a specific claim and are still not backing it up. Statement saying that every world belonging to the Imperium has 10 to 15 ships defending it. It doesn't even matter what the ships are. You have not supplied anything stating there are 10-15 of them defending every world belonging to the Imperium.

**Emperors Faithful**

Canadian 5th wrote:
Toastedandy wrote:Ah yes, comparing a nuclear device to an outdated ineffective artillery shell. I stand by my point.

The Schwerer Gustav was hardly ineffective and on a technological scale the IoM is at least as far behind the GE/Republic as WWII Earth was behind 1980's Earth.

What's that, the ISD can't even fit into the frame...

According to this, since we've seen the command room of a ISD (relative to the crash zone of a fighter), a human being is bigger than the command room of an Emperor Class Battleship.

**Tech Guard**

Canadian 5th: you're not gonna win this fight its just the internet. admit defeat and fall on your sword as it is the best way to end this looking good and not just looking like a jerk.

**Toastedandy**

LOL fail fan pic

**Brother Coa**

Canadian 5th wrote:
You haven't provided any numbers or sources for your claims and now your run away claiming to have one.

I gave you sources and if asked I would have dug up more. You never asked.

I never mentioned Trek...

The OP set this scenario up before either DS was killed... You don't have much of a point.

How many page numbers have you given so far? How much math have you done to prove your point again?

My name is not Cadian 5th, unless you're blind you can see that it is Canadian 5th, as in related to Canada not 40k.

Just returned to OP and stop trolling everyone... And sry for the name, I really thought it was Cadian 5th...
And like I said, I can't provide numbers for something that was numberless. You provide numbers of total Clone Troopers that were in Clone Wars ( exact ).
And I never asked because it has no point, EU is more fan-fiction than original SW ( like Draigo ).
And DS was operational during Clone Wars? You can't use DS in this fight because it is not operational. It is still in construction...
And I am not doing math for sci-fi galaxy thing scale. It's pointless because we don't know that much that we can do actual math...

And please...return to OP...

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Canadian 5th wrote:What does 'least dozen of them with armaments' mean?

Fixed...

**Tech Guard**

and we all have a life and don't do pointless maths

**Brother Coa**

Raxmei wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Merchant and civilian ships, they have weapon to you know...
And the citation from Lexicanum said that every planet have them. And have at least dosen't of them with armaments. BFG says that to.
That are not warships to be mentioned but they are enough to hold down space until help arrives.
And what did Ultramarines did at Macragge? They turned EVERY civilian and merchant ship into battleship ( by giving them their armaments ) and hold down Tyranid fleet until Segmentum fleet arrived.

You have made a specific claim and are still not backing it up. Statement saying that every world belonging to the Imperium has 10 to 15 ships defending it. It doesn't even matter what the ships are. You have not supplied anything stating there are 10-15 of them defending every world belonging to the Imperium.

There is no specific claim to that. We all know that the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy. And that is not stated either.
Accept the facts behind logic. I have numbers on my side dough...

**Canadian 5th**

Emperors Faithful wrote: It's less hilarious when you keep doing it. Still funny though.

So you concede due to not having an argument then?

Nope, Imperial Ships are described as being kilometres in length. A conservative estimate of the Emperor Class puts it at about 6km. A Retribution class is 8km.

This is funny, it's like compulsive denial, but...well, yeah it actually is compulsive denial.

An an Executor-class Star Dreadnought is 19 kilometers and a Mandator-II Class is at least 8 kilometers.

Bugger, the last time I played BFG was a year ago. I remember you had to be around 12cm away or such on the board, but I can't remember what that translatede to IRL. Anyone here play BFG and can help?

The bases are 60mm and the rules say that they represent thousands of kilometers, so that's between 2 and 9 thousand kilometers, average of say 5,500 km so that's 900 km/cm roughly. Thus a range 45cm weapon would be 40,000km in range. That's under a light second ranges which means you'd need to get nice and close to fight while Star Wars, in spite of what the two battles we see in the movies, actually prefer longer ranges.

Ignoring the point about controlling resources? Cool.

You already control your own galaxy. Besides, mining asteroids and smaller moons for resources is easier than taking those same resources up a planet's gravity well.

Why would they be? Smugglers get through your average checkpoints in SW all the time. A genestealer stowed away on a ship, any ship, is going to be impossible to find short of a full strip-search of the ship itself. Something the SW galaxy doesn't do all that much.

The smugglers that do tend to have paid off the local law. This genestealer won't have the chance to bribe anybody. Also, on say a YT-1300 transport without smugglers compartments where will it hide?

And? That just shows that they are more than capable of bringing down planets that number in the hundreds of billions.

And that's with the Ordo Xenos and Deathwatch chasing them, an organization specifically designed to root them out.

It takes nearly a century and even then they still fail more often than they succeed.

Hardly what I would call a resounding win button.

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Tech Guard wrote:Canadian 5th: you're not gonna win this fight its just the internet. admit defeat and fall on your sword as it is the best way to end this looking good and not just looking like a jerk.

I'm not going to lose when you guys post no numbers.

Just returned to OP and stop trolling everyone... And sry for the name, I really thought it was Cadian 5th...
And like I said, I can't provide numbers for something that was numberless. You provide numbers of total Clone Troopers that were in Clone Wars ( exact ).
And I never asked because it has no point, EU is more fan-fiction than original SW ( like Draigo ).
And DS was operational during Clone Wars? You can't use DS in this fight because it is not operational. It is still in construction...
And I am not doing math for sci-fi galaxy thing scale. It's pointless because we don't know that much that we can do actual math...

And please...return to OP...

So you can't read then...
I can give numbers for things like fleets and worlds where we have sources. I can't give exact numbers for anything that isn't stated outright. It's still more than you've done
EU is still canon and you can't just ignore it.
Given that the DSII was built in six months I'd bet the DSI could be completed faster than it was.
So you're not doing the math because you can't then?

and we all have a life and don't do pointless maths

That math took less time than typing this post.

There is no specific claim to that. We all know that the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy. And that is not stated either.
Accept the facts behind logic. I have numbers on my side dough...

If you have numbers cite them. If not concede.

**Toastedandy**

Canadian 5th wrote:
An an Executor-class Star Dreadnought is 19 kilometers and a Mandator-II Class is at least 8 kilometers.

Surely you mean THE Executor class dread, the way you write it gives the illusion that there is more than one.

What timeline are the nids coming in at? becuase your quoting ships from different periods for your arguement

and we all have a life and don't do pointless maths

Canadian 5th wrote:
That math took less time than typing this post.

Right over your head then eh?

**Emperors Faithful**

You know the guy your arguing with who just repeats the same inane points, failing to adress your own and purposefully not mentioning your argument?

Yeah. This is that guy.

BTW, if we can't use the movie as a reference for range, you can hardly use the bases for the BFG ships. Deal with it.

**Raxmei**

Brother Coa wrote:
Raxmei wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Merchant and civilian ships, they have weapon to you know...
And the citation from Lexicanum said that every planet have them. And have at least dosen't of them with armaments. BFG says that to.
That are not warships to be mentioned but they are enough to hold down space until help arrives.
And what did Ultramarines did at Macragge? They turned EVERY civilian and merchant ship into battleship ( by giving them their armaments ) and hold down Tyranid fleet until Segmentum fleet arrived.

You have made a specific claim and are still not backing it up. Statement saying that every world belonging to the Imperium has 10 to 15 ships defending it. It doesn't even matter what the ships are. You have not supplied anything stating there are 10-15 of them defending every world belonging to the Imperium.

There is no specific claim to that. We all know that the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy. And that is not stated either.
Accept the facts behind logic. I have numbers on my side dough...

You claimed something was stated when it was not, in fact, stated. It doesn't matter whether or not it's stated that the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy because nobody said "It is stated that the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy."

If you'd like to make a claim about something that is not directly stated you can supply your quotes and an explanation of how your position follows from that information. As an extreme example it isn't directly stated anywhere in the canon of either universe who would win in a confrontation between 40k and Star Wars. To determine the result it is necessary to piece together information on each one's respective capabilities and compare them to see who has the advantage. The statement "40k would win" is potentially true but lacks supporting arguments. The statement "It says on page 43 of Battlefleet Gothic that 40k would win" is provably false. A discussion with examples of what each side can do with an eye towards reaching some sort of conclusion could be some nice entertainment.

**Canadian 5th**

Toastedandy wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
An an Executor-class Star Dreadnought is 19 kilometers and a Mandator-II Class is at least 8 kilometers.

Surely you mean THE Executor class dread, the way you write it gives the illusion that there is more than one.

What timeline are the nids coming in at? becuase your quoting ships from different periods for your arguement

There are several ships of the class actually. Notably the Lusankya, multiple ships also fought in the NJO series of books.

Right over your head then eh?

So being able to do math quickly is bad now? Or you're not capable of it?