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Grey Templar wrote:
Star Wars ships ARE extremely close to each other because thats how the movies show it. the movies are the infallable source.

I just choked on my coffee.

If that's your argument, you should probably get out of this thread.

The reason why I would say Star Wars Galaxy is because they can probably out produce the Tyranids. Palpatine built an army capable of enforcing his will on the entire Galaxy within two years. That includes ships as well as troops, the Nids only eat a planet a year or so. They could literally throw so much men and material at them in such a small amount of time comparatively that they would likely swamp the Nids.

The CIS were in fact limited by Darth Sideous in order for them to lose and the Republic may have lost if he had not made them fail by providing the knowledge to stop and defeat them, General Grievous and the other generals of the CIS and the Republic army combined could form a strong force against the Hive fleet but due to the political and Sith influence it wouldn't last long but if both sides realised the problems true threat they may join forces.

The Warp doesn't exist in the SW galaxy, *especially* in a SW vs Tyranid thread, because the Tyranids don't travel via the Warp, they hoof (wing?) it the slow, mundane way.... through Realspace. This is a non-starter for the debate, because the offered army-unit from 40K doesn't make use of it.

The approach of a Hive Fleet would cause *several* bodies of people, not just the CIS, the Republic and the Jedi Order, but also the Nightwitches of Dathomir, to name one. There's dozens of smaller, less-famous groups of Force-Sensitives throughout the galaxy, all with their own alliances, allegiances and motives... many of whom specialize in divination.

Many Force powers are sustained, over the course of hours or days... the one that will ensure the Republic's victory? Battle Meditation. The Jedi guides his/her soldiers, through the Force, to attack and defend as a harmonious unit, he causes fractious in-fighting and confusion in the enemy. Against the Tyranid? It disrupts their connection to the Hive Mind.

Jedinids.

/end thread

Tyranedi?

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
Star Wars ships ARE extremely close to each other because thats how the movies show it. the movies are the infallable source.

I just choked on my coffee.

If that's your argument, you should probably get out of this thread.

Well, they are.

Its more like the ships have short ranges for cinimatic reasons rather then them having long ranges and they then compress the distances for the film. Star Wars ships having short ranges was so they could have a visual battle rather then a boring sensor battle.


both Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi show ships trading broadsides at distances of less then a few hundred meters(Return of the Jedi was because Lando ordered point blank range engagement)


In addition, all the books i have read have suggested the ships are very close. close enough to see out of view ports.

40k goes to lengths to say that the engagements are at extremely long range. Star Wars implies the combat is at close range(in comparason to each other)




40k, as its based on an imperfect game set, must be interperted as to exact distances, but with Star Wars we have a source which is the true original. it has no distortions of any kind. so we have to use the movies as the cannon to judge things by.

I believe any planet worth it's resources in Jedi and non-jedi with flashy beam swords should be able to hold them off Basic troops on the other hand will be slaughtered and no one will be spared- not even droids.

Jedi would certaintly be useful, but their numbers would be insufficient to the task.


the CIS was able to severly thin their ranks during the Clone Wars, enough for the remainder to be finished off by their own clones.

I always found it odd that the Jedi were wiped out so efficiently. only the attack on the temple had any kind of resistance. Yoda and Obi-wan were the only ones to survive the direct assassination attempts(Obi-wan because Clones are lousy aims and Yoda because he's Yoda )

I heard its because the Clones had their emotions genetically surpressed, but I still find it hard to belive that hundreds of Jedi could be killed so quickly with almost no resistance. the average Jedi must not be very powerful relative to Yoda and Obi-wan.

Grey Templar wrote:Jedi would certaintly be useful, but their numbers would be insufficient to the task.


the CIS was able to severly thin their ranks during the Clone Wars, enough for the remainder to be finished off by their own clones.

I always found it odd that the Jedi were wiped out so efficiently. only the attack on the temple had any kind of resistance. Yoda and Obi-wan were the only ones to survive the direct assassination attempts(Obi-wan because Clones are lousy aims and Yoda because he's Yoda )

I heard its because the Clones had their emotions genetically surpressed, but I still find it hard to belive that hundreds of Jedi could be killed so quickly with almost no resistance. the average Jedi must not be very powerful relative to Yoda and Obi-wan.

Obi-wan did beat Darth Maul AND Anakin but that's not something to be discussed here- I think most of us can agree though when I say there will definitely be worlds lost to the ravenous Tyranid BUT the key worlds with sufficient defenses would be able to withstand and maybe push back the assault to some degree, speaking clone wars era of course.

Grey Templar wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
Star Wars ships ARE extremely close to each other because thats how the movies show it. the movies are the infallable source.

I just choked on my coffee.

If that's your argument, you should probably get out of this thread.

Well, they are.

Its more like the ships have short ranges for cinimatic reasons rather then them having long ranges and they then compress the distances for the film. Star Wars ships having short ranges was so they could have a visual battle rather then a boring sensor battle.


both Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi show ships trading broadsides at distances of less then a few hundred meters(Return of the Jedi was because Lando ordered point blank range engagement)


In addition, all the books i have read have suggested the ships are very close. close enough to see out of view ports.

40k goes to lengths to say that the engagements are at extremely long range. Star Wars implies the combat is at close range(in comparason to each other)




40k, as its based on an imperfect game set, must be interperted as to exact distances, but with Star Wars we have a source which is the true original. it has no distortions of any kind. so we have to use the movies as the cannon to judge things by.

The Venerator-class Star Destoyer's (probably the most common SD during the Clone Wars) heavy turbolasers could hit targets at 179 million kilometers away.

So, yeah. Really short range.

Grey Templar wrote:

I heard its because the Clones had their emotions genetically surpressed, but I still find it hard to belive that hundreds of Jedi could be killed so quickly with almost no resistance. the average Jedi must not be very powerful relative to Yoda and Obi-wan.

The reason it was so easy was because the Jedi had come to trust their clones. There was no reason to be on guard around them. Even as they committed Order 66, the clones didn't hate the Jedi, they were just carrying out their orders. The Jedi weren't able to sense the danger, or were otherwise occupied and unable to react to it. (in combat, for example)

Nerivant wrote:
The Venerator-class Star Destoyer's (probably the most common SD during the Clone Wars) heavy turbolasers could hit targets at 179 million kilometers away.

And where did you read that?
I must read it.

Brother Coa wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
The Venerator-class Star Destoyer's (probably the most common SD during the Clone Wars) heavy turbolasers could hit targets at 179 million kilometers away.

And where did you read that?
I must read it.

Revenge of the Sith cross-section book, iirc.

Those have all the technical specs.

Nerivant wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
The Venerator-class Star Destoyer's (probably the most common SD during the Clone Wars) heavy turbolasers could hit targets at 179 million kilometers away.

And where did you read that?
I must read it.

Revenge of the Sith cross-section book, iirc.

Those have all the technical specs.

I am sorry, but I can't find your destroyer. Never mind his specs.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Brother Coa wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
The Venerator-class Star Destoyer's (probably the most common SD during the Clone Wars) heavy turbolasers could hit targets at 179 million kilometers away.

And where did you read that?
I must read it.

Revenge of the Sith cross-section book, iirc.

Those have all the technical specs.

I am sorry, but I can't find your destroyer. Never mind his specs.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Venator-class.

My fingers get away from me sometimes.

Nerivant wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
The Venerator-class Star Destoyer's (probably the most common SD during the Clone Wars) heavy turbolasers could hit targets at 179 million kilometers away.

And where did you read that?
I must read it.

Revenge of the Sith cross-section book, iirc.

Those have all the technical specs.

I am sorry, but I can't find your destroyer. Never mind his specs.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Venator-class.

My fingers get away from me sometimes.

Thanks. I found there a paragraph that said: "In its precise, long-range tracking mode, the DBY-827 could hit a target vessel at a range of 10 light minutes."
What's a light minute? Like, range that light travels 1 minute from it's sun?

Brother Coa wrote:
Thanks. I found there a paragraph that said: "In its precise, long-range tracking mode, the DBY-827 could hit a target vessel at a range of 10 light minutes."
What's a light minute? Like, range that light travels 1 minute from it's sun?

Basically. It's the distance that light travels in one minute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-second

So basically they have range from sun to half a way between Terra and Mars?

Why they don't use that range in movies and series?

^ Cause that would be incredibly boring, plus, if your sensors work faster than light, which I suspect star wars sensors do, you should be able to dodge something you have a 10 minute warning for.

Something similar to nids already tried and failed to destroy the SW galaxy, the Yzzang Vong, bio tech species that vongiforms planets, yeah they got beat out by jedi/new republic/imperial remnant


though they did land a moon on chewbacca...

gaovinni wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:For the love of god, how many "who would win" threads do we need?

I agree.

i concur with both of you

But bye bye star wars galaxy non existent bye bye orkmoticon

suicidal space marine wrote:

But bye bye star wars galaxy

And... what are you basing that on other than "OMG NIDS ARE THE BESTEST OMNOMNOM?"

IronfrontAlex wrote:Something similar to nids already tried and failed to destroy the SW galaxy, the Yzzang Vong, bio tech species that vongiforms planets, yeah they got beat out by jedi/new republic/imperial remnant


though they did land a moon on chewbacca...

To use the Vong as a support point,


I say that the Nids are a far worse threat then the Vong.

for starters, you could actually surrender to the Vong and keep your life. just dump all those driods and inorganic tech you have been using.

Nids don't accept surrender. well, maybe they do, but the terms are that you become Nid biomass.


the Vong are also not immune to fear. you could intimidate them(as far as overconfidant sobs can be intimidated)

the Nid creatures are animals bred for war and the harvesting of biomass. only the Hive Mind itself has anything we could call Sapient, and even then it still shares more with animals then Sapient species. it only knows hunger, and the myriad ways there are to satisfy this hunger.


this gives the Nids a psycological advantage. the Vong creeped out the people of the New Republic a whole lot, Nids would be even scarier. the idea that there is a single super organisim controlled by one infathemable mind made up of the conciousness of countless billions would push people over the edge.


the Vong almost wiped out the New Republic(and the other factions in Star Wars post-Sidious)

the Nids likely have just enough extra advantage to nom Star Wars.




Wait, as i recall, Star Wars was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.

the Nids come from another galaxy not the Milky Way.

is it possable that the Nids were a Yhuzong Vong creation that escaped from containment after they were defeated. they then nom nomed Star Wars and have now arrived at out Galaxy (sillyness in case you were wondering )

the Nid fluff has a suggestion that they were a bioweapon created by another race that escaped(or possably ate) its creaters.

It is fortunate, for the Tyranid, that they invade the Clone Wars-era Republic and not, say, First Jedi Civil War-era Republic... because the Star Forge would still be operational, providing the Republic with limitless, instantaneous construction of ships, droids, weapons, you name it...

I thought the Star Forge was destroyed?


which ending is cannon for KOTOR? Light or Dark?

I think its light, but not sure.

Tyranids NOM-Nom-nom-nom-nom

I like the idea of Jedinids.

I think tyranids win this, and this is a poll. although on a 40k based site, its a poll, and whoever wins the poll wins. Plus, i think you are overstimating power of SW and understimating that of Tyranids people who against tyranids.

Psienesis wrote:It is fortunate, for the Tyranid, that they invade the Clone Wars-era Republic and not, say, First Jedi Civil War-era Republic... because the Star Forge would still be operational, providing the Republic with limitless, instantaneous construction of ships, droids, weapons, you name it...

Or the Sun Crusher, which could wipe out the entire Hive Fleet in a single shot.

Even if their fleets couldn't defeat the Tyranids, they could develop something that easily could before the Tyranids were done with their first star system.

Also, the Dark Reaper. Harvests and weaponizes Force energy. The Nids would supercharge it.

you damn well better hope they don't capture the Dark Reaper though(Genestealers FTW)


it they do that, or manage to evolve Jedi powers, star wars is most certaintly boned.

The biggest problem for the Tyranids would actually be Palpatine.

Since he would realize that the Tyranids represent a threat to his planning, he would combine both the Republic and Separatist forces together (since he is both Sidious and the Chancellor).

I would be curious to see how a Carnifex would fare against a Rancor.

Carnifex>Rancor

I give it to carnifex because of its gun, massive scythes and its very large, but a rancor is large as well. Plus the Carnifex has alot of armour on it, where the rancor is all fleshy looking