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space wolves and blood angels.. both mostly played by waac players. I usually don't enjoy playing them, to overpowered, I can win but i feel like I'm playing hide and seek the whole time. its not fun to get counter charged 30 boys into 10 wolves and lose 20, then get wiped without really hurting em at all. or with angels furioso dreed hits somethign a nob and 30 boys... chews through everything in one turn all 30 and nob wiped

Monster Rain wrote:

ivangterrace wrote:Except the bumms cannot figure out how to make a land raider fast

They don't need to be fast. They can Deep Strike!

Indeed, Boreal would be proud

but seriously, its a horrible idea. Landraiders have so many ways to mishap it isn't viable.

From a gameplay perspective, Space Wolves. They're just Marines...but better.
From fluff perspective, Space Wolves. Everything in their codex is Wolf McWolWolf. It's just ridiculous.

I know it's not a very unique POV but seriously...I don't like them.

Also, people complaining about Tau plot armour are forgetting that it's 999M41, and they're in the process of being nom'd. The timeline is frozen on the verge of the Nids killing them. And Grey Templar, you said they have plot armour, then immediately said that a small Imperial crusade smashed through them. That doesn't really support that statement.
And if they're so insignificant in the fluff, you should see the number of Dark Angel in the galaxy. Tau were added because they were a unique aesthetic, unique gameplay and provide a refreshing take on 40k. Not because they were a major player.

Could people just update their sig's with their hate armies instead of having this post reappear every couple of weeks?


Oh, and for the record, I don't hate any army. But I really, really, really, really, dislike Imperial Guard.

As a Dark Elf player in Warhammer Fantasy, I Hate every army. It's in my rules.

As a Dark Elf player in Warhammer Fantasy, I Hate every army. It's in my rules.

Well played

TrollPie wrote:Also, people complaining about Tau plot armour are forgetting that it's 999M41, and they're in the process of being nom'd. The timeline is frozen on the verge of the Nids killing them. And Grey Templar, you said they have plot armour, then immediately said that a small Imperial crusade smashed through them. That doesn't really support that statement.

It supports it.

the Crusade was kicking their buts and only started to slow down when it reached a Sept world, which they were literally inches away from dropping Virus bombs on, but then there was a convienient Black Crusade and Nid incursion which caused the Crusade to get pulled and redeployed elsewhere to combat the larger threat.

coolyo294 wrote:Space Wolves. I f****** hate everything about them.

This. We're talking fluff, right?

Rules-wise, it's a hard call. Tyranids not because I hate them, but I just hate what has been done to the poor things. Or probably Space Wolves again, for having so many ludicrously undercosted options.

Space Wolves because of how silly the army is top to bottom in both fluff and rules etc.

I don't hate Tyranids as a former nid player but I do share pity for them. Cruddace and GW should be ashamed of that codex.

Grey Templar wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Also, people complaining about Tau plot armour are forgetting that it's 999M41, and they're in the process of being nom'd. The timeline is frozen on the verge of the Nids killing them. And Grey Templar, you said they have plot armour, then immediately said that a small Imperial crusade smashed through them. That doesn't really support that statement.

It supports it.

the Crusade was kicking their buts and only started to slow down when it reached a Sept world, which they were literally inches away from dropping Virus bombs on, but then there was a convienient Black Crusade and Nid incursion which caused the Crusade to get pulled and redeployed elsewhere to combat the larger threat.

To be fair, on the first major world they invaded they ground to a halt and were in a stalemate. They weren't really "kicking their butts", considering every world they had taken was a tiny colony or outpost.

Crap! Talk of Tau! Must...stop...threadlock... failing...caving in...discussing...nooo...


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Besides, at least half off all battles in 40k end with some convenient deus ex machina.

yeah, but the Tau had committed major military effort to stopping the Crusade which was, by comparison, a tiny little force meant to crush an alien faction assumed to consist of less then a dozen worlds.

the fact the crusade literally went in blind with no information about the enemy speaks volumes about the tinyness of the Tau.

There's still far smaller forces with codices, for example DA, BA etc...but let's not go in to that now.

BA, they get everything

Game Play - Space Wolves
Fluff - Tau
Models - Witch Hunters

i like tau i think that they make a nice addition and add a bit of depth, i like the fact that it is another race of humanoid intelegant life

yeah, they definitly fill a niche as far as game play mechanics and army composition.

its just that their fluff was utterly shoehorned into the universe that I hate. Tau were actually my 2nd army(and the first one i won a game with)

I hate Tyranids because they draw you in with the excellent fluff and fluffy units from the 4th Edition Codex just to destroy you with the new 5th Edition Codex.

I hate Space Wolves for terrible fluff (opinion) and some extremely overpowered units (fact).

black templar. they're a PITA.

followed by the tau. they are completely annoying. the models look SO cool!..... then you read the codex and are reminded how much they suck.

Necrons; because they deserve a new codex

Fluff-wise its nids and crons. they're a cool idea for a races, but when i read it they seem like they would be unstoppable and destroy everything.

Regarding the suposed socialism in europe stuff... /o\ the stupid, it burns :(
Regarding the op's question i have to chose Spacewolves. They have the potential to be realy cool but the current codex and HH fluff reads like some particularly inane teenage wish fulfillment.

Eldar.

I used to love them and played them a bit back in 2nd edition. But now the whole notion of "you have to REALLY know your army and take advantage of all the different facets to succeed" means a lot of Eldar players use that as the go-ahead to be smug idiots when they win a game.

That and Blood Angels, because they are insanely bland to me.

bosky wrote:Eldar.

I used to love them and played them a bit back in 2nd edition. But now the whole notion of "you have to REALLY know your army and take advantage of all the different facets to succeed" means a lot of Eldar players use that as the go-ahead to be smug idiots when they win a game.

That and Blood Angels, because they are insanely bland to me.

Well Eldar are supposed to be arrogant jerks, so you might call that roleplaying

Polvilhovoador wrote:Well Eldar are supposed to be arrogant jerks, so you might call that roleplaying

Haha that must be it

i hate SW there fluff involves hairy men slapping each other on the back and drinking mead, yawn
there dex is disgusting

BAs suck daddies dead bawling emo's

crons = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
tau = no words
eldar = cheddar
dark eldar = just for fluff bum sex and drugs aint my bag

Okay, so with 60 unique voters, some nominating two or even three factions, these are the rankings as follows:

Space Wolves = 23 (the champion with more votes than the next three armies combined )

Blood Angels = 9
Tau = 8
Grey Knights = 5
Dark Eldar = 4
Necrons = 4
Tyranids = 3
Orks = 3
Ultramarines = 3
All forms of Astartes = 3
Imperial Guard = 2
Chaos = 2
Eldar = 2
Black Templar = 2
Everybody = 2
Witch Hunters = 1
Black Legion = 1

coolyo294 wrote:Space Wolves. I f****** hate everything about them.

+1

This.

I can't stand Necrons, never fought them, probably never will, but what gets me the most is I like the idea of them. I can imagine a machine race, like the Borg or maybe the Terminators and that seems cool, but then I look at the models with thier giant green traffic cones or whatever they're supposed to be and its just frustrating.

Grey Templar wrote:
I was being a little OTT, but it isn't as rediclous as you claim.

Marx had Socilisim as the path to Communisim. while it is not a bad idea in concept, it is horrible in practice(as shown by Russia and many asian countries) because it ignores the fact that man is naturally evil(and for Socilisim on the way to Communisim to work it requires the leaders to be angelic in their nature)

Yeah, european countries have better living conditions now, but i can't expect that to last. they have high unemployment rates and several countries have collapsed economically. and due to having a common currancy they will all feel the repercussions if one of the economies has problems(like Greece is)

I just wish GW would have a little more of the Grimdarkness come through. more evidence of mass sterilizations, more planet sized death camps, more race inequality. only DoW has shown this darker side and the DoW games arn't always held to be cannon(i hold them to be. the fluff endings anyway)

While it is slightly off-topic, I must answer quickly

1: Marx also thought that communism would work, so he was wrong there too. History has socialism working just fine this far, and it has not lead to communism. Russia and China were both totalitarian monarchies before revolutions/civil wars, most of former Soviet Eastern Europe was also totalitarian countries before being forced into communism.
Pure(ish) capitalism (US kind of capitalism, remember that most socialist states are generally quite capitalistic too) has gotten slightly tarnished lately, it (or at least people taking advantage of a capitalistic system) was the source of the last recession, and was also the source of the bankrupcy in Iceland and Dubai. Socialism doesn't need to account for any "evil" in men, everybody are forced to pay taxes to support civil services for the population, rich people pay more, poor people pay less, most people end up in the middle and everybody get's access to health, security and education.
2: Greece, Spain and Portugal are generally classified as southern European countries, not western European, and they have had economic issues for years. I don't know enough about them to say why. Western Europe however seems to be doing fine. In Scandinavia, probably the most socialist region of Europe, (and still very US-friendly, Norway/Denmark is in Afganistan and Libya and we buy your jets out of pure love & affection ) the last financial crisis was hardly noticed. Unemployment is 3.6% in Norway, (goal is about 3-4%) and financial guru's say that as long as the EU or US doesn't suffer another huge financial crisis, we won't really notice the troubles in Greece etc.
3: On topic again Totally agree, Tau needs more grimdark, I would like to see it only being hinted to though, leaving a bit of mystery and leaving the players with a choice between good (naive) and evil With the direction GW seems to be heading, I doubt we will see it though

Space Wolves = 23 (the champion with more votes than the next three armies combined )

Haha, thanks for the ranking, no surprise on first place

Eldar, mainly due to the player though.

I guess I hate them through association, as I've never played another Eldar player (not because I've refused, just I don't know any!).

I've yet to play against Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Imperial Guard, so it's quite possible my "hated" army may change.