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King Crow wrote:Easily chaos space marines. i think they're extremely tacky and over rated and f***ing everyone plays them, i also don't like necrons to much, fluff wise they're kinda cool, but i've never seen them painted any other color than boltgun metal.

Hey! My Necrons are fricking RED.


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More often than not I find myself hating smurf players rather than smurfs as an army. Arrogance should be rewarded with a slap in the mouth.

Disclaimer: I'm not generalising. I am speaking of my experiences in which, a large proportion of the time, the smurf players I come in to contact with are arrogant enough to make Simon Cowell seem a likeable chap.

Vaktathi wrote:There's a few of things that really, *really* hurt Orks. No-Retreat, AV14, massed AV, and any of the new multiudes of things that can snipe individual models. I've seen full Ork mobz destroyed entirely in a single round of combat due to No-Retreat, especially in multiple combat. Orks have really no way of dealing with AV14 at anything but assault range, and massed AV11/12 very easily overwhelms their AT capabilities. Stuff like JotWW can pick out and destroy the one model in any Ork unit that gives them their real punch.

Oh I know. It's not that I have difficulty in beating Orks, only that the tactical nuances are completely bland. No army forces me to play Dicehammer 40k more than Orks.

coolyo294 wrote:Space Wolves. I f****** hate everything about them.

This.

They're just rebellious for the sake of being rebellious and their fluff is utterly laughable. Furthermore Jaws of the World Wolf always has me raging

SpessMehrenD3R9 wrote:

I don't see why everyone is annoyed at Eldar arrogance. Fluff wise, I understand you can hate it, but from Eldar players? I for one have always made sure to not boast about a victory or seem arrogant about it. All the Eldar players I know do the same as far as I know.

It would have to be ultramarines, i don't mind the fluff and stuff its just that they are given far too much credit and are too popular

All justifiable. Paragons of Astartes and all.

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snake wrote:

G. Whitenbeard wrote:

snake wrote:It's not just one army, but anything with hordes. I despise the reality that masses of weaklings can bring down elite soldiers both on the table and in reality.

The game wouldn't be very fair if a basic warfare tenet such as "Overwhelming numerical superiority" was not taken into account.

Also not sure why you have such a problem with reality.

I am well aware of this basic tenet of warfare and its significance, which I why I indicated that I dislike its reality.

I dislike this reality because I don't like seeing hard, well trained warriors brought down by fodder whose individual skills do not compare to said warriors and who consequently prevail only on the basis of their numbers. It irks my sense of honor.

but the reality is this is a table top game, if you followed the fluff to the letter in the games balance would not be there or a space marine for example woudl cost 800 points

as far as real world... it jsut is what it is, I cna be the bes ttrained in fighting hand to hand, small arms and longrange weapons of all kinds, but contrary to action movies if i gt charged by 20 people in close range... guess who's getting beaten not the one guy

"guess who's getting beaten not the one guy"

I am not sure but I think you mean that the one guy is getting beaten.

Moreover, I am well aware of all of these things. I understand that they can't and won't ever change. I still do not like it.

that's fair to not like it, i see the point, also yes i fixed it, i meant who is winning not the one guy

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:There's a few of things that really, *really* hurt Orks. No-Retreat, AV14, massed AV, and any of the new multiudes of things that can snipe individual models. I've seen full Ork mobz destroyed entirely in a single round of combat due to No-Retreat, especially in multiple combat. Orks have really no way of dealing with AV14 at anything but assault range, and massed AV11/12 very easily overwhelms their AT capabilities. Stuff like JotWW can pick out and destroy the one model in any Ork unit that gives them their real punch.

Oh I know. It's not that I have difficulty in beating Orks, only that the tactical nuances are completely bland. No army forces me to play Dicehammer 40k more than Orks.

you need to play different ork lists then, i take fluffy lists most weekend. from big mek walker rush to shooting orks bw bash and kan wall get sobrign to play and have thier weaknesses. have you played somebody fielding 2 SAG and 45 lootas? lots of shots but very different for orks. or with the walker spam 2 big meks taken bare just to make 2 dreds troops and 9 kanz and 2 dred walkign up on ya. or biker orks... orks have alto of origionality and arguably mroe possible viable builds than most armies , but I would agree that most ork players don't like explorign the full use o fthe codex

Why so much dislike for space wolves and tau..
I love space wolves and tau =]

TheTaurans wrote:Why so much dislike for space wolves and tau..
I love space wolves and tau =]

Because everyone hates Space Furries.

Everyone hates the armies i like, so much hate... lol

Dark Eldar. They don't even try to be three-dimensional. Their entire society is a giant "Biggest Ass**** in the Universe" contest! And what irks me the most is that they have what it takes to be my favorite army!


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TheTaurans wrote:Everyone hates the armies i like, so much hate... lol

Its okay... I secretly like the Ultramarines.

Space Furries? Ouch. That... really didn't hurt, mostly cause their not. I can't say the same for all players, though.

You know what are much cooler?

Chaos Space Marines.

"We have hated for 10.000 years! RRAAAAAGGHH! and we have skulls 'n spikes 'n stuff!"

YAWN!

And don't get me started on Abbaddon.
He should be out on his incompetent donkey millennia ago.

Thirteen Black Crusades?!? That means twelve times he should have been turned into a spawn or worse.

Why would the Chaos gods spare him even a second glance considering how successful he was last time....and the time before that....and the time before that...

Love that pic, and the goat one too. Sadly, it's not true, along with many other stereotypes for other armies- Annnnnd, maybe it's just my area, but I rarely see any of the badness mentioned except from fanatical SM fanboys.

Look, furries, in space. Space Furries.

Aaah, back to the whole 'thirteenth company' thing. Doesn't mesh well with vikings, IMO. Which is why I chose to play SW, even before the new 'dex. The viking theme is just too cool to pass by, especially when done right.

I jest. A Viking themed Space Marine chapter is brilliant. The Wolf aspect, when done correctly, only enhances the image. This current edition has ruined them, in my opinion. Far too much of the Wolf aspect with the Thunderwolves, far too much anti-establishment teenage wish fulfillment. The way they're portrayed in the recent books where they make an appearance doesn't really help at all. A Thousand Sons makes them look like ignorant savages, Prospero Burns doesn't do anything to counteract this, and Battle of The Fang merely underscores this.

Mhmm. I really liked the older, more badass and less rebellious SW. Also to go along with the furries thing- it's an untrue (mostly) steroe type. Because Space wolves have wolves, they're furries? OK, so are DE players into bondage? Inquisition into touching little boys? (Catholic church reference... not trying to offend anyone here). Tau into tentacle porn? I think not. But, I digress...

Hey, you know what I hate? HATE THREADS.

Well yes,they have wolves so they are furries, it's simple internet humor and hyperbole. They aren't actually furries, the Wolf theme has just gone a wee bit over the top, no one's being serious when they say any stereotyped like that. For the record, all stereotypes you mentioned are also true, same with Smurfs, because they are blue.

SW would be helped if there names weren't so bleeding ridiculous. Wolftime, Thunderwolf Cavalry, Wolf Priests, Wolf Lord, Harald Deathwolf, Wolf Scouts, Great Wolf, Lone Wolf, Wolf Guard, Canis Wolfborn, and the name of the chapter itself-Space Wolves, like wolves in space! Then there's the combinations. Space Wolf Canis Wolfborn the Thunderwolf riding Wolf Guard to Harald Deathwolf. Seriously?

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:Space Furries? Ouch. That... really didn't hurt, mostly cause their not.

Hey, failed initiates turn into wolf-like monstrosities, that the successful initiates then ride in battle. That's pretty furry.

Steelmage99 wrote:Chaos Space Marines.

"We have hated for 10.000 years! RRAAAAAGGHH! and we have skulls 'n spikes 'n stuff!"

YAWN!

This is really only true if you're going by the current awful codex.

The interesting part comes from the feeling of the bitter traitor feeling himself betrayed, the aspect of complete insanity and descent into madnesss amongst the CSM's, and their willingness to knowingly damn themselves in the name of vengeance because they literally have nothing else left and can't fathom another way of life. They are consumed by their hatred and ultimately it will destroy them, and already has driven many into the same slavery they fought against the emperor for in the service of the Dark Gods and they just are too far gone to realize the extent of their tragedy.

And don't get me started on Abbaddon.
He should be out on his incompetent donkey millennia ago.

Thirteen Black Crusades?!? That means twelve times he should have been turned into a spawn or worse.

You're making the mistake each one was intended to retake terra. This simply is not the case, each one is a building block to that eventual goal but they aren't each trying to reach Terra. The 12th (gothic war) accomplished most of Abaddon's objectives quite well, and the 13th left off on something of a cliffhanger with Abaddon's forces in the ascendant having taken significant stretches of Cadia and broken through the Cadian Gate in major force.

Why would the Chaos gods spare him even a second glance considering how successful he was last time....and the time before that....and the time before that...

Because none of the Black Crusades were true failures?

Eldar.

The only army that I haven't beaten in 22 years plus of wargaming.

Even now with Dark Eldar, I just cannot do it.

I just hope my new Blood Angel/Night Lords army can do it.

Tau damn space commies.

Also Grey knights are ruined :(

God Emperor...
Never realized that people hate Space Wolves so much. Odd because their Primarch kick so much ass.


And let's change topic a little...


That one army you just hate, but in DoW games.
So?
I hate Tau and Orks. Seriously I just hate when Fire Warriors pick my Marines from half map trough the mountains and Big Mek teleporting right in a middle of my army.

Brother Coa wrote:God Emperor...
Never realized that people hate Space Wolves so much. Odd because their Primarch kick so much ass.

Eh, he comes off as a humongous self righteous dickbag in the Horus Heresy books, which hasn't helped

That one army you just hate, but in DoW games.
So?
I hate Tau and Orks. Seriously I just hate when Fire Warriors pick my Marines from half map trough the mountains and Big Mek teleporting right in a middle of my army.

Which iteration? Pre-Dark Crusade, Orks and Eldar were...beyond broken between Wraithlord/Fire Prism spam and Killakan Spam. Tau were super broken in DC before the first patch and really unfun to play against. Overall, my least liked race on Dawn of War? The Dark Eldar, they just never did it for me, but I didn't really *hate* them.

Lemon Rust does sound like a douchebag in the books. Odd, considering what he's accomplished...

So much potential, squandered. Story of Games Workshop's Life.

Breaks my heart - all the space wolf hating

Us wolves are fangtastic (sorry very cheesy I know!!) anyways I hate passionately - Tau (because they are just annoyingly out of place in 40K - far too cheesy), dark eldar (as someone said about SW, DE are massively overhyped and have ludicrous traits such as copius inv saves and stupidly high initiative values) and Necron (because I think that the Terminator films were watched too much when they were 'designed'!).

So let us feel the love of the space wolves!!!! Oh by the way, someone stated that the SW have killed imperial forces with no backlash....well what about the GK killing a whole section of sisters of battle just to draw out a daemon?!?!?! What the *@+k, where's the backlash on that one?!?!?!?!?!

GO WOLVES!

Just thinking.....maybe all the SW hate is due to the fact that our army is so kick ass and people find them hard to deal with? Just a thought!