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Plus IIRC events in Fulgrim do talk of a few Salamanders Thunderhawks managing to take off where most are shot down, could be he was on one. Alternatively he could be a prisoner, Horus at this point still seems relatively together and was genuinely revolted at Fulgrims killing of Ferrus Manus, At this stage Horus just wants to pry rule of the Imperium from the Emperor and I assume that he is relatively uncorrupted at this stage, this would lend weight to the idea that he might imprison vulkan rather than kill him.

And yet he accepted the demon that possessed Fulgrim without much more than a "hmm. interesting. Carry on then!"

In The First Heretic Book of the HH series Magnus and Lorgar talks about two others Primarch :
[...] he swore that he'd already lost two brothers, and had no desire to loose a third .
'Two already lost' Lorgar looked back at the city. ' I still recall how they-'
'Enough' warned Magnus . Honour the oath you took that day [...]

Yeah thank you Magnus !
Anyone got idea who they are? their story?

Divine Comedy wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Ugly Green Trog wrote:Vulcan survives the Heresy and dissapeared afterwards, he is stated as being one of the most outspoken (alongside russ) against the introduction of Codex astartes which was introduced long after the events of istvaan V. My guess is GW are awaiting a suitably dramatic moment for his re-appearance in the HH series.

Dorn is also possibly (pinch of salt included) alive due to the fact that they found no body just his hand after he single handedly cleared the bridge of a chaos battlebarge. He is believed dead but it is sort of left open.

with reguards to Russ all Bjorns fluff states that russ left him behind, not in a died sense but in a went off without him sense, The quote from the SW dex is old and ward probably only included it cos he thought it sounded badass (which it does) not because it was relevent fluff, all recently written fluff BL in particular implies that he went to find the tree of life or something, The great hunts periodically organised to find him certainly suggest the wolves believe him to still be kicking about somewhere.

Personally I believe a Primarch is impossible to wound badly enough to cause them to die later, they are capable of healing from practically anything that doesnt kill them outright.

It could also be that dorn was captured and they just replaced the area with a body of a imperial fist burnt it to a crisp and wrote dorn all over him.

Russ is still alive and kicking we know that for a fact.

Khan is with the dark eldar, though they love the fact they can torture him and he feels no pain but sometime he has to break.

Night Haunter is Dead. NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

Horus dead.

Corax is in the eye of terror searching for his brothers who are still loyal to the imperium,

Russ is in the Eye isn't he, anyway Sanguinus kicks every one's butt.

When did they give Sanguinus a kicking aid? Do they use his corpse's leg to beat people with?
In all seriousness Russ is in the eye, he is hunting down every chaos legion or something heroically stupid like that.

Ilove40k wrote:
Anyone got idea who they are? their story?

The missing primarchs.

CoI wrote:And yet he accepted the demon that possessed Fulgrim without much more than a "hmm. interesting. Carry on then!"

I think it was more of a "I don't have time for this gak right now, but once I have the throne I will free my brother." I think he even internal monologues something to that effect.

Omegus wrote:

CoI wrote:And yet he accepted the demon that possessed Fulgrim without much more than a "hmm. interesting. Carry on then!"

I think it was more of a "I don't have time for this gak right now, but once I have the throne I will free my brother." I think he even internal monologues something to that effect.

Iirc he thinks something about the lines of "as soon as i have time i'll "save" my brother" because the demon laughs at his request to set fulgrim free.

edit: damn, was this window open for 25 minutes before i answered? because thats the time you beat me with the answer...frekk ! xD

Ref - The Lost brothers, Legions 2 and 11.

What is known

They were gone before the Heresy. Lorgars involvement means it was 200-250 years at the earliest before the Heresy.

Known as the Lost and the Purged.

Speculation

Allegedly the numbers in the Ultramarine swelled at the time of the purge, which if true would imply there was nothing wrong with the geneseed of one or both legions, otherwise they would have been destroyed.

Its mentioned in First Heretic that Lorgar was particularly devastated by the events, implying that he knew one or both of the primarchs and was close to him/them, so they didnt die before their discovery.

Russ says that Prospero wasnt the first time that Space Marine had fought Space Marine. He didnt specifically say it was the Wolves that did the fighting and in First Heretic it suggests that the Word Bearer legion was involved.

So what could have happened.

They could have refused to join the Imperium upon their discovery or failed to recognise what is was. Leaving their legion leaderless so it was absorbed into the Ultramarines.

They could have been mentally damaged, think Angron +1 and been unsuitable for command.

They could have been pacifists/diplomats rather than warriors, which would fit with Lorgar's despair, as he wasnt close to his warlike brothers.

Perhaps they were the first to see the flaws in the Great Crusade and were stupid enough to voice it.

Or they simply didnt take to being ordered about and did their own thing.

There must be loads of good theories, so fire away!

heresy4life wrote:Ref - The Lost brothers, Legions 2 and 11.

What is known

They were gone before the Heresy. Lorgars involvement means it was 200-250 years at the earliest before the Heresy.

Known as the Lost and the Purged.

Speculation

Allegedly the numbers in the Ultramarine swelled at the time of the purge, which if true would imply there was nothing wrong with the geneseed of one or both legions, otherwise they would have been destroyed.

Its mentioned in First Heretic that Lorgar was particularly devastated by the events, implying that he knew one or both of the primarchs and was close to him/them, so they didnt die before their discovery.

Russ says that Prospero wasnt the first time that Space Marine had fought Space Marine. He didnt specifically say it was the Wolves that did the fighting and in First Heretic it suggests that the Word Bearer legion was involved.

So what could have happened.

They could have refused to join the Imperium upon their discovery or failed to recognise what is was. Leaving their legion leaderless so it was absorbed into the Ultramarines.

They could have been mentally damaged, think Angron +1 and been unsuitable for command.

They could have been pacifists/diplomats rather than warriors, which would fit with Lorgar's despair, as he wasnt close to his warlike brothers.

Perhaps they were the first to see the flaws in the Great Crusade and were stupid enough to voice it.

Or they simply didnt take to being ordered about and did their own thing.

There must be loads of good theories, so fire away!

Thanks a lot very interesting !

heresy4life wrote:Ref - The Lost brothers, Legions 2 and 11.

What is known

They were gone before the Heresy. Lorgars involvement means it was 200-250 years at the earliest before the Heresy.

Known as the Lost and the Purged.

Speculation

Allegedly the numbers in the Ultramarine swelled at the time of the purge, which if true would imply there was nothing wrong with the geneseed of one or both legions, otherwise they would have been destroyed.

Its mentioned in First Heretic that Lorgar was particularly devastated by the events, implying that he knew one or both of the primarchs and was close to him/them, so they didnt die before their discovery.

Russ says that Prospero wasnt the first time that Space Marine had fought Space Marine. He didnt specifically say it was the Wolves that did the fighting and in First Heretic it suggests that the Word Bearer legion was involved.

So what could have happened.

They could have refused to join the Imperium upon their discovery or failed to recognise what is was. Leaving their legion leaderless so it was absorbed into the Ultramarines.

They could have been mentally damaged, think Angron +1 and been unsuitable for command.

They could have been pacifists/diplomats rather than warriors, which would fit with Lorgar's despair, as he wasnt close to his warlike brothers.

Perhaps they were the first to see the flaws in the Great Crusade and were stupid enough to voice it.

Or they simply didnt take to being ordered about and did their own thing.

There must be loads of good theories, so fire away!

Great Idea. But I've also thought that GW has left these 2 numbers open as well so someone could "create their own" legion