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I saw Sisters of Mercy in Leeds and they were utterly rubbish. May just as well have listened to them on CD - they filled the stage with smoke so you could not even see them, had some fat advanced middle aged person with no shirt on moshing into everyone and overall it was the worst night I have ever been to. Left after a handful of songs.
One of the best got bands I have seen (also in Leeds, though I have seen them elsewhere too) is Cruxshadows - they put on a really good show every time I have seen them
Though I prefer my music more rocky than Goth these days.
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Genres shmonrerz. Pigeon-holes are for record companies to sell gak to those that need to belong to something.
To me at least anyway, goth is a mood/attitude, not a musical genre. Ask any real punk what 'punk' is and you'll get the same answer, same goes for metalheadz, emos, etc, and then all the way around the different alt music scenes. The music is simply a vessel through which to express your inner self.
Back to the OP - I had Paradise Lost on repeat all day yesterday. Their latest album 'Faith divides us, death unites us' is a feckin' masterpiece, and a welcome return to form after all the electro stuff in their middle years.
Highly recommended if you like your 'goth' heavy.
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Lots of Goths had/have a lot of respect for Johnny Cash. His music isn't part of the genre (although he did an awesome cover of NIN's Hurt, of course, and has covered other stuff which kind of borders the genre, like Depeche Mode's Personal Jesus.
More late 90s classics:
And a recent version of an old NIN classic, featuring one of the godfathers of the genre, Mr. Peter Murphy:
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DutchKillsRambo wrote:Wait where am I that Joy Division became goth?
Well, they're post-punk, but they have a considerable musical influence on the goth genre.
SilverMK2 wrote:I saw Sisters of Mercy in Leeds and they were utterly rubbish. May just as well have listened to them on CD - they filled the stage with smoke so you could not even see them, had some fat advanced middle aged person with no shirt on moshing into everyone and overall it was the worst night I have ever been to. Left after a handful of songs.
I saw them on Lansdowne Street in Boston in the late 90s and they were awesome. They did fill the stage (and the room; from the bar on the left side of the room you could not even see the bar on the right side of the room, both of which were raised so they were above the crowd) with smoke, but it was a cool effect. Andrew Eldritch was all in white and would vanish into the fog whenever he took two steps backwards. It didn't affect his voice at all, though. He was note perfect.
SilverMK2 wrote:One of the best got bands I have seen (also in Leeds, though I have seen them elsewhere too) is Cruxshadows - they put on a really good show every time I have seen them
Yeah, they always put on a really fun show, full of over the top stuff like Rogue climbing on top of a speaker stack between songs and reading out "Annabelle Lee".
SilverMK2 wrote:Though I prefer my music more rocky than Goth these days.
Well, it was originally called "Gothic Rock" and much more guitar-driven than the more dancey form it morphed into in the 90s/2000s. Might want to check out more 80s stuff.
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I was a goth as a lad, from about 15 to my early 20s, none of the goths I knew were miserable or self harming, more they had a dry sense of humour and liked black clothes, had some great times in Bristol and Coventry back in the day. I principally became one to score goth girls, for whom I still retain a great weakness. My original favourites were these
Possibly my favourite tune ever.
And as time went on, I broadened my horizons and added music from the shoegazers and industrials, Curve and NIN remain my favourite bands.
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warpcrafter wrote:Johnny Cash did not write that song, but he did invent the fatalistic Goth attitude. And he was the original "Man in Black".
i think you'll find the fatalistic goth attitude predates Cash by a lot... both in music (:cough: blues :cough: ) and in general culture (Edgar Allen Poe, etc.).
Also worth noting that the Cash version of God's gonna cut you down wasn't released until 2006, well after Goth became a recognizable genre in the 80s.
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Always wears black, writes and plays the most morose music music in existence, no I'm not kidding.
Yeah cos "A boy named Sue" is morose and gothic.
Just because the bloke wore all black it doesn't make him a goth, nothing about anything he did was even remotely gothic in the modern sense of the word (Weird dudes with piercings, gak hair and make up on) and you know why I know it? Cos I actually like Johnny Cash, and I dont like anything goth.. well.. except maybe 2 of the Cures songs Ive heard on the radio or something.
Thats the daftest thing ive ever heard. A quick google search said
"The goth subculture is a contemporary subculture found in many countries. It began in England during the early 1980s in the gothic rock scene, an offshoot of the Post-punk genre. The goth subculture has survived much longer than others of the same era, and has continued to diversify. Its imagery and cultural proclivities indicate influences from the 19th century Gothic literature along with horror films and to a lesser extent the BDSM culture"
Try as I might I saw no mention of JC. I mean he didnt even ALWAYS wear black, he just liked it. I once read a book about him and he said that they wore black because when he and his band first started performing the only colour shirt we all had in common was black, and it sorta started from there!
I mean, what have these guys got in common?!
Wasnt it you that argued with Alby about the Beatles sucking?
My hypothesis is that you are one of those bizarrely patriotic Americans that says the Beatles and the Rolling Stones suck but Kiss are the best band in the world, and you try to dress it up as being for some clever reason but really its just blind patriotism. And who in the world over the age of 10 picks their favourite music by nationality of the writer?
Its just silly.
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