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What about the Tower of Angels (aka: The Rock)

Terra. defending against legions of space marines is no easy feat.

And they still won?

Terra is massive and has a fortress around a fortress that has another fortress. Hell the systems around terra are Fortress systems too.
Then another one. Then Another one. Then another one.
YEah try and getting to terra is like trying to run a 100,000 year light year marathon in SPACE. With no technology except your breather and your freaking rocket boots.

Brother Coa wrote:

Spartan 117 wrote:In probable order:
1. Terra
2. Macragge
3. Cadia

Why is Cadia beneath Macragge?

And this should go like this:
1. Terra
2. Mars
3. Cadia
4. Cypra Mundi
5. West Hydraphur
6. East Kar Duniash
7. Bakka
8. Macragge
9. The Fang
10. Ball

But this is my opinion dough...

I'd say The Fang could outlast Macragge. Though they may be about equal

What about the Blackstone fortresses?

A fortress AND super weapon

Toastedandy wrote:What about the Blackstone fortresses?

A fortress AND super weapon

Is it bigger than the solar system?
Does it have weapons that could stop an entire armada?
No I didn't think so.
Terra wins fair and square.

Asherian Command wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:What about the Blackstone fortresses?

A fortress AND super weapon

Is it bigger than the solar system?
Does it have weapons that could stop an entire armada?
No I didn't think so.
Terra wins fair and square.

Stop an entire armada? No.

Destablize a star? Yes.

Earth is bigger than the Solar System?

Kilkrazy wrote:Earth is bigger than the Solar System?

He might mean that Terras defenses are in effect an entire solar system, which is pretty true. If you want to take a shot at Terra you also have to get through Battlefleet Solar, the Moon, Titan, Mars, etc..

biccat wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:What about the Blackstone fortresses?

A fortress AND super weapon

Is it bigger than the solar system?
Does it have weapons that could stop an entire armada?
No I didn't think so.
Terra wins fair and square.

Stop an entire armada? No.

Destablize a star? Yes.

The Sun that is in the center of the solar system cannot be destroyed it is protected by something....

+1 Terra.

Doesn't the Fang have the biggest force to defend it? Each of the 12 companies are almost as big as another chapter IIRC.

And a fortress's strongest defence is the forces defending it, not the building itself

BoTW wrote:Doesn't the Fang have the biggest force to defend it? Each of the 12 companies are almost as big as another chapter IIRC.

And a fortress's strongest defence is the forces defending it, not the building itself

Two incorrect statements.
Firstly, the Space Marines number around 2000. Each Great Company is composed of more Marines than a standard Company, but not anywhere near the size of a chapter.
Secondly, no matter the strength of the defenses, the thickness and quality of the barricades, walls, gates, and in 40k, it's Void Shields, matter just as much, if not more, in this universe.
The Fang would also never usually be defended by the entire Chapter, most of the time it'll be garrisoned by two or three for some are and r. Keep in mind, that the Thousand Sons have already taken the Fang, numbering a good bit less than a thousand.

I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.

No way in he11 that the Fang is more defensible then Terra. Can't believe SW fanboys are polluting this thread lol. If anything Cadia is more of a fortress then the Fang.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.

Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.

iproxtaco wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.

Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.

yep. but still going strong. its the plug that keeps the full force of chaos in the eye of terror and its going okay.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.

Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.

yep. but still going strong. its the plug that keeps the full force of chaos in the eye of terror and its going okay.

It has been breached. That's not going strong. The Emperor's Palace withstood the full might of all the Traitor Legions, including nine Primarchs and the full might of the Imperial Navy, Titan Legions and Mechanicus forces. And that's just a single location on a single planet.
The Cadian Gate is a conglomerate of systems, all designed to support Cadia itself and other fortress worlds. It has more defending it, with less attacking it, than Terra had.

iproxtaco wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.

Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.

yep. but still going strong. its the plug that keeps the full force of chaos in the eye of terror and its going okay.

It has been breached. That's not going strong. The Emperor's Palace withstood the full might of all the Traitor Legions, including nine Primarchs and the full might of the Imperial Navy, Titan Legions and Mechanicus forces. And that's just a single location on a single planet.
The Cadian Gate is a conglomerate of systems, all designed to support Cadia itself and other fortress worlds. It has more defending it, with less attacking it, than Terra had.

you do know that in fluff the traitors had beaten the loyalists and they had breached the ultimate gate? then Horus dropped his shields and Emperor/Sanguinus and termies beamed up.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.

Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.

yep. but still going strong. its the plug that keeps the full force of chaos in the eye of terror and its going okay.

It has been breached. That's not going strong. The Emperor's Palace withstood the full might of all the Traitor Legions, including nine Primarchs and the full might of the Imperial Navy, Titan Legions and Mechanicus forces. And that's just a single location on a single planet.
The Cadian Gate is a conglomerate of systems, all designed to support Cadia itself and other fortress worlds. It has more defending it, with less attacking it, than Terra had.

you do know that in fluff the traitors had beaten the loyalists and they had breached the ultimate gate? then Horus dropped his shields and Emperor/Sanguinus and termies beamed up.

Not quite. They didn't breach the Eternity Gate, it was defended by Sanguinus and some Blood Angels whilst all other withdrew.

Cadia Gate, is still being defended but the problem is that they faced a planet killer a massive fleet of black stone fortresses. Compared to space wolves facing a 1,000 thousand sons? Really thats alot? Cadia is facing entire regenade forces.
The fang may be a great fortress hell its better than maccragge. But still it does not compare to Cadia or Terra or Mars or the other greatest fortress's that lie with-in the imperium of man.

Order goes like this:

1) Imperial Palace
2) The Fang
3) Unsure, probably The Rock or Cadia.

This is not supposition, it's fact as SW Codices since 2nd edition have stated the The Fang is the largest and most well-defended fortress outside of Terra (or the Imperial Palace).

Bran Dawri wrote:Order goes like this:

1) Imperial Palace
2) The Fang
3) Unsure, probably The Rock or Cadia.

This is not supposition, it's fact as SW Codices since 2nd edition have stated the The Fang is the largest and most well-defended fortress outside of Terra (or the Imperial Palace).

No.
Cadia is no.2
IT is one of the most well defended. Fenris is the third, not the second.

iproxtaco wrote:
It has been breached. That's not going strong.

It is, the fact that Cadia survived 13 massive invasion point's to something. And of course 2/3 Cadia is now under renegade control when 90% of Cadian solders are not on Cadia...
But the 13'th Black Crusade failed, and Chaos forces are trapped on Cadia with no support while Imperial Navy will bring down reinforcements. So Cadia will be under Imperium control once again ( technically it still is since Chaos don't control the sky above the planet and don't have forces to conquer the rest 1/3 of the planet ).

Baal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The post above mine is so wrong it hurts.

coolyo294 wrote:The post above mine is so wrong it hurts.

You got that right.

Brother Coa wrote:But the 13'th Black Crusade failed, and Chaos forces are trapped on Cadia with no support while Imperial Navy will bring down reinforcements. So Cadia will be under Imperium control once again ( technically it still is since Chaos don't control the sky above the planet and don't have forces to conquer the rest 1/3 of the planet ).

At first I thought I had somehow forgotten that the Forces of Order had won the Eye of Terror event.

Then I realized, no, GW retconned the whole thing.

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
It has been breached. That's not going strong.

It is, the fact that Cadia survived 13 massive invasion point's to something. And of course 2/3 Cadia is now under renegade control when 90% of Cadian solders are not on Cadia...
But the 13'th Black Crusade failed, and Chaos forces are trapped on Cadia with no support while Imperial Navy will bring down reinforcements. So Cadia will be under Imperium control once again ( technically it still is since Chaos don't control the sky above the planet and don't have forces to conquer the rest 1/3 of the planet ).

90% of Cadian soldiers are away because they aren't permanent garrison forces. You say it like they're supposed to be there. They aren't.
The 13th Black Crusade has far from failed. It's still going, and will likely continue for many years. The Imperium control Space. Woopty-feth, good luck getting your insufficient reinforcements to the surface to fight a now superior enemy. You're also ignoring the fact that said fleet in space has been savagely mauled and is under strength with a Blackstone Fortress somewhere near. Even the Imperium command suspects they may not be able to push Abbaddon back this time. You're also ignoring the fact that Cadia itself is not the only battle-ground in the Crusade. Many other planets are besieged by Chaos, and the already stretched Imperium is going to have a difficult time.
So yeah, currently the Imperium isn't in such an advantageous position as you seem to think. In fact, they're probably on an even footing.

Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )

Cadia is now winning the battle. They still have a fortress.