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Posted this after your edit, but at least this might be a little bit of clarification. The Sons obviously retreated in the end when superior forces arrived.

iproxtaco wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Minor victory implies that neither actually gained anything, but still chaos did its damage. But space battle is done.
The Planet Killer is Destroyed.

It think you may be slightly twisting the meaning behind minor victory to seem like it wasn't actually a victory. Well, you know, it was a victory, which resulted in minor gains for Chaos. The Space Battle is not done. The Blackstone Fortress remains in Chaos hands, the Planet Killer may still be around, or something similar to it.

Thanks for clearing that up :p
The black stone fortresses remain in chaos hands but not for long is what i can say.

iproxtaco wrote:

Spoiler:

The Fang was penetrated, overrun, nearly a whole Grand Company killed, and the research into the Canis Helix deep inside was destroyed. This was accomplished by a few hundred rubric marines, Magnus, possessing another, and some mortals, against more than a hundred Space Wolves.

Posted this after your edit, but at least this might be a little bit of clarification. The Sons obviously retreated in the end when superior forces arrived.

Still, it took a Primarch to penetrate it. and a Daemon Primarch with awsome Warp powers no less. Lets be fair to the Fang.


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Asherian Command wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Minor victory implies that neither actually gained anything, but still chaos did its damage. But space battle is done.
The Planet Killer is Destroyed.

It think you may be slightly twisting the meaning behind minor victory to seem like it wasn't actually a victory. Well, you know, it was a victory, which resulted in minor gains for Chaos. The Space Battle is not done. The Blackstone Fortress remains in Chaos hands, the Planet Killer may still be around, or something similar to it.

Thanks for clearing that up :p
The black stone fortresses remain in chaos hands but not for long is what i can say.

all the Blackstone fortresses the Imperials had self destructed for some unknown reason. it isn't known if Abbaddon's did the same.


the Planet Killer was destroyed, but Abbaddon has another in the Warp(which he is loath to risk losing)

Grey Templar wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Spoiler:

The Fang was penetrated, overrun, nearly a whole Grand Company killed, and the research into the Canis Helix deep inside was destroyed. This was accomplished by a few hundred rubric marines, Magnus, possessing another, and some mortals, against more than a hundred Space Wolves.

Posted this after your edit, but at least this might be a little bit of clarification. The Sons obviously retreated in the end when superior forces arrived.

Still, it took a Primarch to penetrate it. and a Daemon Primarch with awsome Warp powers no less. Lets be fair to the Fang.

I am, but it's not up to the standards of Cadia in my opinion.

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Asherian Command wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Minor victory implies that neither actually gained anything, but still chaos did its damage. But space battle is done.
The Planet Killer is Destroyed.

It think you may be slightly twisting the meaning behind minor victory to seem like it wasn't actually a victory. Well, you know, it was a victory, which resulted in minor gains for Chaos. The Space Battle is not done. The Blackstone Fortress remains in Chaos hands, the Planet Killer may still be around, or something similar to it.

Thanks for clearing that up :p
The black stone fortresses remain in chaos hands but not for long is what i can say.

all the Blackstone fortresses the Imperials had self destructed for some unknown reason. it isn't known if Abbaddon's did the same.


the Planet Killer was destroyed, but Abbaddon has another in the Warp(which he is loath to risk losing)

Not from what I heard at least. It skulked off, possessed by a part of Slannesh or something like that.

iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.

For once I agree with


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iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
Making things up. It says reinforcements are on their way. It does not say they will be enough, it doe not say how much, it does not reveal how many other threats are running rampant due to the stupid number of forces being diverted, it doesn't say that the Imperium will win back Cadia because of it.

It also doesn't say that Chaos will win. But it is implemented that Imperials will get reinforcements while Chaos will not. Because GW writters are not neard to say us how many Guardsman will Imperium send, or how many Marines. One thing is sure, Chaos will get no help while Imperium will get fresh troops. But for now it is status quo since we will not go in M42 for a very long time...

Fully aware of that. Neither did I. It does not say that Chaos wont get reinforcements. It says they will have a difficult time getting to the surface. Once again though, you seem to ignore the fact that the reinforcements sent are likely not to be enough as the Imperium is already stretched as it is.

It's not a circle. Humanity is losing it's battle for survival. They're getting their buts kicked more than they kick back.

For now at least, tides can change you know... ( again we will see it in M42 )

Whishful thinking. It's vastly more likely that things will continue going downhill for the Imperium. A change in millennium does little to improve their chances.

[Purlpleflood does not have a reputation for doing it all the time. Saying that is massively hypocritical.
Why am I responding? You aren't going to read what I post, or you won't understand it at the very least. Who wants to bet money that you'll post some weird fanboy video or 1d4chan picture?

No, it's you guys who want to know how many screws does Leman Russ have and who can't take a joke or question seriously.

First part doesn't make sense, second part is firstly, irrelevant, and secondly, wrong.

( and for 1d4chan, maybe it is funny but it's facts are true. Purplefood said that himself ) And I am not using 1d4chan as official source, I only put pictures for fun

Not all of them are true. The overwhelming majority are boosted to hyperbolic levels of stupidity. And yes, you do use 1d4chan as a source, when you shouldn't. Just to make it clear, you haven't used it in this thread, but you have in others. Just to stop another potential argument.

and ask when I read some paragraph "when this happened in official fluff", but as always you don't read my posts to the end - why should I read yours?

Not sure what you're talking about here. I read your posts in full, you simply disagree with what I have to say, so you're jumping to conclusions in defense.

And you guys are all saying that Wikipedia in not official source which is idiotic to me since everything that exist in some encyclopedia is written down on Wikipedia.

It isn't. It's superseded by quotes from the actual texts. Think of it as a long chain of people before you in a game of chinese whispers. What is written in the book won't often be the same thing that appears on your screen.

I will only say this: sometimes you are right, sometimes I. Let us shake hands for now and start fight in another thread


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purplefood wrote:
I never said what was on 4chan is true.
It's like propaganda...
It may have an element of truth but they twist it to make it funny.

No, but you said: "In fluff it say: "Space Marines won", in 1d4chan say: "Space Marines won by throwing 1 TH and killing 1000 Chaos Marines"."
So you actually implement that it is partially true. And I don't use that as a source anymore since it is reliable as Tau claim that they can kill Chaos Gods with Railguns...


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As for OP:

1. Terra
2. Mars
3. Cadia
4. everyone else...

Im gonna have to say Maccrage. Those 8 Space Marines still alive on it will kick @$$!!!



Wolf

Terra offcourse because that is the imperiums most important planet. Not so much because all the other planetary and moon bases in the sol system. It is easy to bypass a planet. They do tend to have a predictable movement. And you don't really need to worry about a planet flying after you.

But if terra is your target then it's defenses will get you.

Also mars is out of the competition for me. Werent there a few necron ships that basicaly cruised in the sol system without any real trouble. Then before theycould destroy al of them one landed on mars?

iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.

No.

2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy

Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.

Bran Dawri wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.

No.

2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy

Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.

So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.

iproxtaco wrote:
So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.

For once I agree with you

Terra, or someone hasnt done their job...

The Thousand Sons' forces had made it into the Fang before Magnus showed up. What they weren't able to do is get past the internal defenses that had been setup. And then Magnus showed up and punched everything to death.

iproxtaco wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.

No.

2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy

Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.

So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.

the Fang wasn't taken. it was simply breeched and, like any good fortress, has many layers of defense.

Actually, the Fang doesn't really have that much of a layered defense. At least nothing on par with any of the Iron Warrior fortresses in the lore. A lot of the internal chokepoints that held off the 1k Sons were setup for the occasion. There weren't any internal strongpoints, or even murder holes in the story.

And saying that the Fang was simply breeched is like saying that Vietnam was a tie.

iproxtaco wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.

No.

2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy

Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.

So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.

It doesn't matter what I believe. P 45 of the 2nd edition codex says so in black and white. Don't know on what page it's written in the 4th edition codex, but I'm sure it's there.

Fang has never fallen. If this fortress can withstand a siege by the greater part of roughly half the Imperium's forces (Age of Apostasy), then not even a Primarch with his entire Legion can take it.
I don't care what a random Black Library book says - they're not canon, especially when they directly contradict earlier fluff that's actually from GW (Index Astartes: Space Wolves, which again states the Fang is the greatest fortress outside Terra, and tells a different tale of the Thousand Sons' siege, as do the SW Codices). Especially where SW are concerned, as no BL book portrays the SW very well IMNSHO.

iproxtaco wrote:

Spoiler:

Many layers of defense of which all were breached, after nearly an entire Great Company was killed. The Sons ran rampant around the fortress, destroyed the geneseed research, only retreating when Space Wolf reinforcements arrived.

Like I said, the Fang didn't fall. Sure they were running around inside it, but they certaintly didn't have control over the fortress.

Grey Templar wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Spoiler:

Many layers of defense of which all were breached, after nearly an entire Great Company was killed. The Sons ran rampant around the fortress, destroyed the geneseed research, only retreating when Space Wolf reinforcements arrived.

Like I said, the Fang didn't fall. Sure they were running around inside it, but they certaintly didn't have control over the fortress.

You serious? I won't argue that there wasn't still resistance, but the defenders were broken and the fortress had fallen. It's like saying that the US didn't retake the Philippines in WWII because Hiroo Onoda was still running around on Lubang.

Bran Dawri wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.

No.

2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy

Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.

So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.

It doesn't matter what I believe. P 45 of the 2nd edition codex says so in black and white. Don't know on what page it's written in the 4th edition codex, but I'm sure it's there.

Fang has never fallen. If this fortress can withstand a siege by the greater part of roughly half the Imperium's forces (Age of Apostasy), then not even a Primarch with his entire Legion can take it.
I don't care what a random Black Library book says - they're not canon, especially when they directly contradict earlier fluff that's actually from GW (Index Astartes: Space Wolves, which again states the Fang is the greatest fortress outside Terra, and tells a different tale of the Thousand Sons' siege, as do the SW Codices). Especially where SW are concerned, as no BL book portrays the SW very well IMNSHO.

There's not point even trying to have a reasoned discussion with a fanboy such as yourself. Most of the stuff above is made up, wildly exaggerated, misinformed or twisted to the extreme, all to try and cover up several obvious flaws in your argument.

black templar wrote:The Imperial Palace


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and the Sanctum Imperialis

Put simply,Holy Terra.Think about it.If mankind had a living god,and they wanted to protect him,they are damn well going to make sure that he is defended better than an unorthodox space marine chapter.If that were the case then the Adeptus Terra might just take over Fenris toprotect him there.

Im sticking with Cadia. It gets more action than anywhere else in the imperium (except maybe armageddon and thats only recently) and is still standing [a bit wobbly]. The fang only gets attacked when the thousand sons O/S gets a bit scrambled and terra hasnt faced a full scale assault for a few thousand years.
++ Cadia is a whole planetary system, as well as the surrounding sectors devoted to defense.
The fang is just a big mountain on viking world.

It's more than a bit wobbly. As in, two thirds of it's surface is owned by Chaos. Other than that, I agree, but the Emperor's Palace is still more heavily defended.

Most say Imperial palace.
OP Even in death you got served.

The OP is a big SW fan.

Fang has fallen just read the book its going to be Palace of terra it still has never fallen!

RogalDorn69 wrote:The fortress that Rogal Dorn gave to the emprah, but nice emprah gave it back. Now it Imperial Fists
carnt remeber name of it, only remeber it was as big as a planet and shone like a star in the night sky (Knowing Rogal Dorn, it was all pure gold )

I agree that Dorn made the best fortress because he designed the Palace, but that last part about gold man, you hurt my brain, gold is one of the weakest medals, infact the most pure gold you can bite and see indentions thats why in pirate movies you always see them bite the gold sorry:/


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iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )

I'm implying, which is the correct word, that they control the skies, the Imperium does not. I would also think they would have decent enough AA defenses.
Once again though, your blind fanboyism has blinded you to any other possibility other than Imperial victory. Here's the truth though. This Crusade is still very much on going. The Imperium is far from winning, for the simply do not have the resources to push Abbaddon back currently. Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact.

I'm just saying but by you saying "cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact" i dont know about other readers but i am pretty sure that you were saying that Chaos has won, so dont defend yourself that you diddn't say that bc it is right there, just go with it say something like "yea i was wrong" i think that gets you more points than anything else when you can admit you were wrong.

Cain wrote:

RogalDorn69 wrote:The fortress that Rogal Dorn gave to the emprah, but nice emprah gave it back. Now it Imperial Fists
carnt remeber name of it, only remeber it was as big as a planet and shone like a star in the night sky (Knowing Rogal Dorn, it was all pure gold )

I agree that Dorn made the best fortress because he designed the Palace, but that last part about gold man, you hurt my brain, gold is one of the weakest medals, infact the most pure gold you can bite and see indentions thats why in pirate movies you always see them bite the gold sorry:/


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iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )

I'm implying, which is the correct word, that they control the skies, the Imperium does not. I would also think they would have decent enough AA defenses.
Once again though, your blind fanboyism has blinded you to any other possibility other than Imperial victory. Here's the truth though. This Crusade is still very much on going. The Imperium is far from winning, for the simply do not have the resources to push Abbaddon back currently. Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact.

I'm just saying but by you saying "cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact" i dont know about other readers but i am pretty sure that you were saying that Chaos has won, so dont defend yourself that you diddn't say that bc it is right there, just go with it say something like "yea i was wrong" i think that gets you more points than anything else when you can admit you were wrong.

Regarding Cadia, it is unlikely that any reinforcements will reach Cadia soon for the sector is engulfed in warpstorms which make travel and communications difficult, if not impossible.
Regarding Quarren's fleet, it is badly mauled. Still in a better shape than the Chaos armada but both took critical losses during the attack on the Blackstone fortress ( as described in the 13. Black Crusade backgroundbook ). Still, Cadia hasn't fallen yet so there is still hope for Creed and his men ( warpstorms can't last forever, reinforcements could arrive despite the storms...)


Regarding the op's question, i think the answer is Terra and/or Mars. Both are defended with the best that the Imperium of Man has to offer.

To end iproxtaco and brother coas argument ifound this in tau online forum
I just stumbled upon a white dwarf the other day featuring the results of the Eye of Terror campaign.


Games Workshop clearly wanted to sugar coat the loss for the forces of order, by saying that many of the key worlds were still held.

Now this is a lie and nothing more. The imperium lost, utterly. Every single world on Cadia, Belis Corona and Agrippina were basically almost solidly controlled by chaos at the end of the campaign. Cadia itself had a control of around 30%, the only planet that sort of held out was destroyed by the planet killer.

The only consolation to this all round loss was that the Eldar absolutely massacred the forces of disorder in the webway sectors (esp Belial IV) and that the Caliban, Medusa, Chincare and Nemesis Tessera are in firm control of the forces of order. But there was no denying it, the Cadian gate realistically were under the firm control of the forces of disorder.


Anyone care to have a stab at why the forces of order players seem so much more incompetent? Where as the forces of disorder had a doctrine, a high command (was it the triad?) and a strategum of how they engaged the enemy, the forces of order wasted tens of thousands of battles trying to mop up lost worlds and secure their control on a system level, which was stupid in the first place. We spent 4000 victories on St Josmane's hope in a counter attack that gained around a 20% come back, whilst by this time the forces of disorder had already moved on (I think to Macharius or something) and eventually the world was destroyed. Thats 6000 victories for nothing. On a pure victory number thing, every single place had almsot equal number of victories, but the forces of order just didn't know how to make them count. There was no unity, no plan.

Ironically, the forces of disorder were well ordered whilst the forces of order were in utter chaos and had to rely on sheer numbers most of the time.

So there it is.

Well,I just finished a 2 month GW campaign,in which the chaos forces obliterated the Imperium.
Week 1-Imperium wins,gets feel no pain for 1 game turn,all campaign
week 2-chaos win,gets to infiltrate all troops
week 3-chaos win,gets no force org.
week 4-imperium win,chaos get to upgrade a modal with a force weapon that doubles toughness(Doom of Malan'tai)
week 4,imperial win-chaos get to deep strike everything
week 6-imperium win,they get twinlinked for one turn,all weapons in the army.They had one game to use it and forgot.
Yesterday and Today-Apocalypes-Imperium thrashed-Cadia is destroyed

Hope that is worth something.