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Kirasu wrote:I hope they eventually melt down all their metal models so I never have to work with any ever again. Seriously I dont understand the "weight" behind them statement.. Do you play in areas with wind? Yes plastic falls over but who cares, its plastic.. When metal falls (and it does EASIER because of the weight! it breaks or chips)

This is very, very true. I say I like the way metal feels not because I play in wind, but because they just have a pleasant heft to them. They feel expensive, instead of just being expensive. The weight separates them from plastic board game pieces in my mind.

Nothing you can't get by gluing nickels inside bases, though.

I have always preferred metal.

I do not like the resin material they use with finecast, the product QC just isn't there and I do not believe that it ever will, and as has been mentioned I prefer the weight to the metal models.

-Eric

Fine cast they are easy to work with easy to paint easy to customize and have the same effects as metal (not in weight though) and i could never really glue a metal model together for more than 2 days without it falling apart

I like the weight. When perusing boxes of cast-off second hand models, it instantly tells me that I have something cool in hand.

Ouze wrote:

Kirasu wrote:I hope they eventually melt down all their metal models so I never have to work with any ever again. Seriously I dont understand the "weight" behind them statement.. Do you play in areas with wind? Yes plastic falls over but who cares, its plastic.. When metal falls (and it does EASIER because of the weight! it breaks or chips)

This is very, very true. I say I like the way metal feels not because I play in wind, but because they just have a pleasant heft to them. They feel expensive, instead of just being expensive. The weight separates them from plastic board game pieces in my mind.

Nothing you can't get by gluing nickels inside bases, though.

People aren't always talking about simple stability. There's something to the weight of a model that gives it value, as if it is worth more because it is heavy. It is better made, sterner. Some people would rather have a heavy, sturdy Hive Tyrant, than one you feel like you could simply snap in your fingers.

FWIW, metal all the way for me.

If someone prefers the Hive Tyrant in metal, they're nuts. The amount of pinning required for a multi part metal model that size and weight is ridiculous.

As others have said, Finecast as a concept i.e. cheaper / less flawed. A major reason I play orks is for the conversion opportunities, and plastic / resin is just so much easier to work with.

The whole cheaper thing is a bit misleading. The material is cheaper, and they're not bound to the price fluctuations of metal.

However, production cost definitely would not be cheaper. The molds wear out faster than the old metal molds, so more need to be made and cycled into production more regularly, and resin, as we all can see, produces a higher level of miscasts, so more QA is needed (and save the olol they don't QA their stuff - if they didn't, there would be far, far more miscast issues popping up).

I'd be very surprised if switching to resin saved them any money. It might as time goes on and they get better at producing stuff, but right now? I really don't think they've saved much.

-Loki- wrote:If someone prefers the Hive Tyrant in metal, they're nuts.

Yes...yes that would qualify me as insane then, as I didn't have enough with just one metal model...I WANT TWO MORE!!!!!

-Loki- wrote:If someone prefers the Hive Tyrant in metal, they're nuts. The amount of pinning required for a multi part metal model that size and weight is ridiculous.

Thats why I used magnets.

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dalsiandon wrote:I have yet to buy any finecast, kind of boycotting it myself,(cheaper materials at a higher price) also I have in metal all the models that i needed that have been turned to finecast to this point, Zoan's Lictors Tyrants and Guards

You are seriously doing yourself a disservice getting those in metal. Metal was a terrible material choice for them, and in resin they're so much better.

When I got them metal was all they had, finecast didn't exist yet.

Metal guard are perfectly fine, the zoanthropes are problematic. Exceptionally top heavy with small glue bonds and balancing issues doesn't make a good metal model. Mine fell down all the time. The raveners were worse though. One of those fell off a first tier building floor once and exploded like a grenade.

If not for that third thing, I'd be all over Finecast. As it stands though, I will always prefer resin over metal, but I won't touch Finecast because of everything it is (badly produced, cheap tacky material) and everything it represents (the endless corruption and contempt that GW holds for its customers).

Whats your beef with the material?

ShumaGorath wrote:
Metal guard are perfectly fine, the zoanthropes are problematic. Exceptionally top heavy with small glue bonds and balancing issues doesn't make a good metal model.

Metal had to go either way I suppose. The volatile market probably kept pricing the material higher. I wonder how much they really will save versus the resin.

If they made models out of neutron stars, a sugar cube sized model would weigh as much as the entire human race put together.

Let's see someone model that.

1) I would replace all my metal if given the chance (all... 30 models I have in it.)

If they weren't so expensive, I would use what I replaced for melting down for reloading ammo.

2) People who say there aren't price fluctuation for resin have no idea what they are talking about. We use a lot of the same materials to make resins at work, and we get price updates all the time on raw materials. Usually there is enough mark up on the resin (once mixed) to soak up the price changes.

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3) I do like my metal storm troopers though. They do seem to have some value to them. Plus, I would hate to put together a plastic kit as awesome as they look.

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dalsiandon wrote:I have yet to buy any finecast, kind of boycotting it myself,(cheaper materials at a higher price) also I have in metal all the models that i needed that have been turned to finecast to this point, Zoan's Lictors Tyrants and Guards

You are seriously doing yourself a disservice getting those in metal. Metal was a terrible material choice for them, and in resin they're so much better.

When I got them metal was all they had, finecast didn't exist yet.

Metal guard are perfectly fine, the zoanthropes are problematic. Exceptionally top heavy with small glue bonds and balancing issues doesn't make a good metal model. Mine fell down all the time. The raveners were worse though. One of those fell off a first tier building floor once and exploded like a grenade.

I did plan to get a couple more Zoans in the future so that's a good thing to hear. And I agree, I certainly tried to heavy up the base a bit on them to help counteract that.

puma713 wrote: Some people would rather have a heavy, sturdy Hive Tyrant, than one you feel like you could simply snap in your fingers.

Not people who have to carry their army case for any notable distance, however

-Loki- wrote:If someone prefers the Hive Tyrant in metal, they're nuts. The amount of pinning required for a multi part metal model that size and weight is ridiculous.

If someone prefers a metal tyrant, then he/she is not nuts. Maybe they just want to have something heavy on the board, something that feels important when you move it around.

And the amount of returning miscasts to GW required for a multi part finecast model that size and weight is also ridiculous.

Just been having a count up of all my 40K stuff that's painted. Admittedly alot of it dates back to the late 80's early 90's, but about 320 metal to about 40 plastic/resin, although I'm finding more and more of the minis I'm building and painting now are either plastic or resin. I actually used to have a ploicy of only metal, but it seems now I have less choice in the matter!

I hate metal miniatures. If Reaper Miniatures went to resing I'd love it.

But the finecast method and materials SHOULD be cheaper than metal. I think GW is sticking it to us by going to a cheaper media and charging the same price.

I like some things about finecast but literally EVERY model I have purchased (6 now) has had some noticable casting defect. I'm not going to keep paying 18 dollars for models with bubbles and severe warping.

-Loki- wrote:If someone prefers the Hive Tyrant in metal, they're nuts. The amount of pinning required for a multi part metal model that size and weight is ridiculous.

I have three of the current Hive Tyrants. Not a single one of them in pinned. The only parts that have broken were one plastic Scything Talon and a metal toe on its foot. Greenstuff FTW.

I pick up some of my new finecast models, and they feel too light. I like my models who bring the pain, to feel like they would bring the pain.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

-Loki- wrote:If someone prefers the Hive Tyrant in metal, they're nuts. The amount of pinning required for a multi part metal model that size and weight is ridiculous.

I have three of the current Hive Tyrants. Not a single one of them in pinned. The only parts that have broken were one plastic Scything Talon and a metal toe on its foot. Greenstuff FTW.

The tail on mine broke off constantly. It's heavy and the glue bonding area is very small for a metal connection. Lashwhip fell off a couple of times as well.

Finecast. Its so much easier then metal, and i really wish they would make more if they got their flaws under control.

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:I like some things about finecast but literally EVERY model I have purchased (6 now) has had some noticable casting defect. I'm not going to keep paying 18 dollars for models with bubbles and severe warping.

This.

Finecast if you don't get a bad one.

Originally I was ambivalent to Finecast, but having recently stuck together a bunch of metal Warmachine models, I don't miss pinning metals, or waiting for the superglue to dry for ages, or the amount of work involved in getting the mould lines off metals, if you get bad ones. Filling surface bubbles on Finecast is no effort in comparison, as long as they aren't in vital places. If they are, return them and get another.

I predict that all main mini manufacturers will continue to move away from metal, so get used to it.