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Eilif wrote:I've got no beef with GW making it or Mikhaila selling it. I'm still going to rip on GW for selling PVA at over a 300% markup.

In the USA GW is quite clever in that they sell 4oz of glue for 8.25 by putting it in a paint tube, calling it PVA and labeling it "ml", all of which most American's won't associate with elmers.

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Yes whiley GW, using factual names and the metric system to fool poor unknowing Amurikans.

On the subject of the paint bottle it comes in, I actually have a GW PVA bottle from many many years ago and although it is now full of A N OTHER BRAND glue its actually quite a good dispensor.

Tauzor wrote:+1 To Daedalus



A tenner for 10 L.... see the internet is not just for pron!

Now thats just a blatant lie, take it back!



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-Loki- wrote:As for superglue, I now just use the cheap stuff I see in bargain shops. I think recently I got 12 tubes for $2au, and having used it already, it works just fine.

Just a word of warning on these sorts of superglue (having bought 10 for £1 from Tescos) and I found the glue to be very thin. No less strong or longer for bonding but the runnyness took some getting used to resulting in a fair amount of fingers nearly getting stuck together.

I have since gone back to more expensive branded gel superglues. One to watch out for mate.

A tenner for 10 L.... see the internet is not just for pron!

Depends on how you intend using the stuff. That's an aweful lot of PVA you have there.
Could be a lot of fun putting it on a willing partner and ....
Better stop there, this is a family show after all!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:It tends to be a hobby thing. If a product is labelled for use with a hobby it gets a hefty price tag.

Look for a generic equivalent elsewhere and the same stuff is a lot cheaper.

Model kits makers do EXACT same thing as GW does (even those whose actual products tend to be cheaper). Revell stands have small 100ml bottles of Revell paint thinner for like 5 euros a piece. I used to buy those, until I figured that general stores sell 2 litre bottles of the same thinner for same price.

But of course it isn't Official Revell Paint Thinner (tm).

There are some things that are not too bad. The Revell Contacta cement for instance. But not aware of any generic polystyrene cement.

Is that the thinners for enamel paints? I did the same with Humbrol cellulose thinners. Also the other thing is size.
I bought a small bottle of Tamiya Acryiic thinners but when you work out the equivalent cost per same amount in the big bottle it works out a lot cheaper.
Til you realise you can use Isopropylene (spelling?) which workes out cheaper still

Just don't confuse enamel thinners with cellulose thinners...

The only thing I give money to GW for nowadays is miniatures.

White glue: Elmers 1.99, GW 8.25 for the same amount
Static Grass: Woodland Scenics 12.49 for a 50 cu in. shaker bottle. GW 8.25 for about 1/5th the amount if not even less.
exacto knife: Any hardware store 1.00-2.00, GW 15.00
Clippers: any hardware store 3.00, GW 15.00
Super glue: Any hardware store 1.00-3.00 for 5g. GW 6.00 for 5G

It goes on and on like that... ANYTHING that you can buy in a craft or hardware store you can get for a fraction of the price GW wants you to spend.

It's not far fetched for a hobbyist to save 100$ a year or more by going that route rather than GW.

insaniak wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Oh, its a GW bash thread. I should of known.

Well, yeah... the thread title shoud have been a clue.

Yea it was, but I was really expecting something GASP inducing. Like they melt down young children to make their finecast resin, so THATS why its so expensive. But this is glue..........total let down

KingCracker wrote:

insaniak wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Oh, its a GW bash thread. I should of known.

Well, yeah... the thread title shoud have been a clue.

Yea it was, but I was really expecting something GASP inducing. Like they melt down young children to make their finecast resin, so THATS why its so expensive. But this is glue..........total let down

Well, not ENTIRE children. Their tears are used in the process though. As I understand, they keep them in undersized cages suspended from the air and read C.S. Goto books to them until they collect enough for a batch. It's like one of those old-school fairy tales.

GW glue has been like this for nearly a decade.

KingCracker wrote:Yea it was, but I was really expecting something GASP inducing. Like they melt down young children to make their finecast resin, so THATS why its so expensive. But this is glue..........total let down

You should find circumstantial evidence that supports the 'Finecast is people!' argument. Then spread it around the internet and see how many people bite.

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

Just saying.

You're confused I think.... GW pays money to whoever makes this glue and then puts their label on it. Nothing illegal at all. Kneadatite makes GS, but GW sells it also (at about x5 the price). Same with their tools.


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kronk wrote:

biccat wrote:

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

As long as you're only changing the trademark, I don't see the problem.

Do you have an registered MSDS for said glue in your company's name?

Are you a registered with your local state's environmental commission as a chemical manufacturer?

Do you have a license from the original manufacturer to repackage and resell the product under your own brand name?

Do you have a good lawyer?

LOL Elmer's glue doesn't need an MSDS, you can drink a whole bottle of the stuff.

Most of that stuff can be bought for cheap if you use other brands, like testors, elmers and such.

Smillie wrote:I was out and about today and noticed the hellish price of this. Now I usually spend a couple of quid at most on PVA I sure as hell hope no one is paying this much for white glue. Proof (if anyone needed it) that GW really is run by greedy .

Don't buy it then.. That s what is great about consumerism, if you don't like the price don't buy it..

Cheers

Then spread it around the internet and see how many people suck.

Corrected for accuracy.

nectarprime wrote:

LOL Elmer's glue doesn't need an MSDS, you can drink a whole bottle of the stuff.

At the risk of being contrary for the sake of it, here's one for dihydrogen oxide:

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927321

There's no fething around when it comes to MSDSs, no matter how trivial the substance seems.

Personally, my sensibilities are kind of offended in that they failed to mention "water intoxication" under the "other toxic effects on humans" section.

daedalus wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

LOL Elmer's glue doesn't need an MSDS, you can drink a whole bottle of the stuff.

At the risk of being contrary for the sake of it, here's one for dihydrogen oxide:

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927321

There's no fething around when it comes to MSDSs, no matter how trivial the substance seems.

Personally, my sensibilities are kind of offended in that they failed to mention "water intoxication" under the "other toxic effects on humans" section.

I stand corrected! Here's the MSDS for Elmer's: http://www.elmers.com/msds/me375_c.htm

nectarprime wrote:

I stand corrected! Here's the MSDS for Elmer's: http://www.elmers.com/msds/me375_c.htm

Thanks for correcting your error.

So I recently got back into this hobby after a long absence.

Driving my usual route, I noticed a GW store that just opened, (the first and only GW store in my area, it turns out). Out of nostalgia, I stopped and went in.

Long story short, I walked out with a IoB set, some paints, spray primer, and model glue.

Did GW make money on me? Yes.
Did I know I could get paints / supplies cheaper? Yes.
Do I care? NO!

To have gotten those other items, I would have needed to drive to another hobby store, which would have been 30 minutes in the wrong direction. Frankly, my time is more valuable than the few dollars I would have saved (which probably would have been washed away with gas costs anyways). Instead I went straight home and started messing with my stuff.

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Of course the whole point is to make money ... jez
Its a business, you may not like it , you might not agree with how to does it .

At the end of the day its about profit or shareholders like me get angry...

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Don't know about the USA but it is fairly easy to get a lot of the cheaper alternatives while doing a normal shopping run. Actually for me it is easier than going into Sheffield or Meadowhall to a GW store.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Don't know about the USA but it is fairly easy to get a lot of the cheaper alternatives while doing a normal shopping run. Actually for me it is easier than going into Sheffield or Meadowhall to a GW store.

Sure, you can run around and save some money. That's not news. His point was that for some people, they don't mind paying a bit extra if it cuts down the run around.

Convenience and one stop shopping are always appealing, and will always increase sales.

How far could you possibly live from a Walmart?

They sell PVA in gallon jugs for a laughably small amount of money.

I'm about 6000miles from the nearest Walmart.

Monster Rain wrote:How far could you possibly live from a Walmart?

They sell PVA in gallon jugs for a laughably small amount of money.

Yeah, PVA.

But not polystyrene cement or cyanoacrylate.

notprop wrote:I'm about 6000miles from the nearest Walmart.

Surely your country has a comparable store.

Kanluwen wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:How far could you possibly live from a Walmart?

They sell PVA in gallon jugs for a laughably small amount of money.

Yeah, PVA.

But not polystyrene cement or cyanoacrylate.

Or uranium.

I thought we were discussing overpriced PVA?

Monster Rain wrote:

notprop wrote:I'm about 6000miles from the nearest Walmart.

Surely your country has a comparable store.

They do. Tesco's, I think it's called.

Kanluwen wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:How far could you possibly live from a Walmart?

They sell PVA in gallon jugs for a laughably small amount of money.

Yeah, PVA.

But not polystyrene cement or cyanoacrylate.

Or uranium.

I thought we were discussing overpriced PVA?

We are, but Chibi was replying to someone who distinctly said that they walked out of GW with model glue.

Whose talking about runaround?
Oh sorry.Forgetting that some people only shop for toys

From my visits to the US there seems to be more of an emphasis on driving to each store, the idea of walking between shops appeared to be abhorrent to the locals - but in the Florida heat & humidity I could hardly blame them.

Fortunately I had my stiff upper lip with me and strolled around like the lobster pink tourist I was.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Whose talking about runaround?
Oh sorry.Forgetting that some people only shop for toys

What you're forgetting, actually, is that the grocery chains that we have here in the US don't commonly stock model building supplies.
You can walk into most grocery stores like Food Lion or Kroger and find PVA glue and maybe Krazy Glue(which is terrible for models, but it's something I guess), but not polystyrene cement.

Some chains like Target or Wal-Mart(depending if they're a "Super" Target or Wal-Mart) will have all the supplies you'd feasibly need, but you really need to luck out on that one.
Hardware shops don't stock polystyrene cement but they will have wood glue, PVA, and some kind of cyanoacrylate.

There's a chain called "Michael's" which is an arts and crafts supply shop which will have polystyrene cement, but they seemingly are going out of business.

So to get polystyrene cement(any kind), cyanoacrylate, and PVA in one shop--I have to go to a train shop that is an hour and a half away from where I live. If they don't have it, I have to go another half hour to the next train shop. My LGS has cyanoacrylate and pva, but not the kind of polystyrene cement that I like using.

I don't think that I'm necessarily alone in this being the situation for me though.


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notprop wrote:From my visits to the US there seems to be more of an emphasis on driving to each store, the idea of walking between shops appeared to be abhorrent to the locals - but in the Florida heat & humidity I could hardly blame them.

Fortunately I had my stiff upper lip with me and strolled around like the lobster pink tourist I was.

If the shops are close to each other? It's not a problem.

If there's a half hour of travel time in a car between them--that's a completely different story.

What everyone is forgetting is that I did state that I didn't know what it is like in the USA

But it cannot be beyond the wit of man to see when one is getting short of supplies to arrange things in advance.
I have a train journey and other limiting factors to contend with if I need some poly cement.

So make sure when in town I get what I need if getting low on supplies. I don't get much in the way of hobbying supplies from grocers.
A bit of simple forward planning is all that is required.