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I was out and about today and noticed the hellish price of this. Now I usually spend a couple of quid at most on PVA I sure as hell hope no one is paying this much for white glue. Proof (if anyone needed it) that GW really is run by greedy .

For the numpties and parents who know no better.

GW are not alone in this sort of hobby mark up to be fair.

Probably why they are at full stock atm.

They are not alone. Can't be too critical of this since general retail is notorius for doing the same thing.

Kellog's Frosted Flakes cost about 25% more than the off brand.

Buying a 20oz soda at a theme park or a pizza place will cost you on average twice as much elsewhere.

Automobile insurance and car loans done at a dealership are more expensive than doing them on your time.

But no, rather than comment on those, or better yet, not comment at all about the obvious, you've done some intense and thorough investigation and uncovered the dark secret TROOF about Games Workshop: They're in it for the money!

Gasp!

But "Own Brand" goods are usually cheaper

Expensive glue is expensive.

Not much else to say, dude. I would have just smiled and moved on rather than get worked up over it. I bought 5 bottles of glue the same size for $0.25 each at Target the other day, for what it's worth.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:But "Own Brand" goods are usually cheaper

This isn't their own brand. It's someone elses with a GW lable slapped on. All the stuff not made by GW is marked up quite a bit. Calling it a 'Greedfest' is sort of dumb, since they and many other places do the exact same thing. And it's been this way for 20 years. Not news.

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Pointing at it and rolling around clutching sides laughing would be good, if a tad hystrionic.

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Stop carrying GW 'PVA Glue'. Find a generic wholesale supplier and relabel it yourself and keep 100% of the markup.

Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

Just saying.

I still try to use a mix of P.V.A (usually from a cheapo shop) and Wood glue, find it gives a good bond, and is great with my terrain pieces.

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Is this one of those 'over the pond' naming confusion moments, as we certainly call it P.V.A here, but its just known as 'White Glue' in the US. Or do you have both, and parents just aren't catching on?

That's official GW glue, though! Imagine the jealous looks you'll get if you're seen in public with that beast.

A lot of times I've seen it as "school glue".

PVA Glue would be technically the most correct name however, and I would think applicable in any situation, given that the glue contains polyvinyl acetate.

Yep, it tends to get labelled "School Glue", "White Glue", or if you're an Elmer's fan "All-Purpose Glue".

It's all the same PVA, but we Americans tend to think on brands and not what a product actually is.

Hence why here all tissues are referred to as Kleenex, all adhesive medical strips are referred to as Band-Aids, and all cotton swabs are referred to as Q-tips. And on the extreme end, why all sodas are referred to as Coke in the South(though that's a byproduct of all the bottling plants, too).

That's Capitalism. Can't complain.

warpgrenade wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Stop carrying GW 'PVA Glue'. Find a generic wholesale supplier and relabel it yourself and keep 100% of the markup.

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Why? The customer is specifically asking for GW PVA glue, and I can sell it to them. With no effort, I can order it in and sell it.

You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

Platuan4th wrote:
It's all the same PVA, but we Americans tend to think on brands and not what a product actually is.

Clerks the Animated Series wrote:
-> '''Carnie:''' Mary, Mother of God! I cut my hand on a rubber band! Do you sell Band-Aids?
-> '''Randal:''' "Band-Aid" is a brand name! The proper term is "adhesive strips".
-> '''Dante:''' The man is bleeding to death and you're getting into a semantics argument?
-> '''Randal:''' Man! Name-brand word association is one of the more subtle threats to this nation's free trade! It gives the larger, well-known companies an unfair advantage. I'm doing my part to keep the playing field level by weaning people off of referring to generic products with brand names!
-> '''Dante:''' Way to show some backbone.
-> '''Randal:''' No spine of Jell-O here, my friend.

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mikhaila wrote:

Why? The customer is specifically asking for GW PVA glue, and I can sell it to them. With no effort, I can order it in and sell it.

You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

C'mon, you could make literally TENS of dollars this way!

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I still try to use a mix of P.V.A (usually from a cheapo shop) and Wood glue, find it gives a good bond, and is great with my terrain pieces.

Is this one of those 'over the pond' naming confusion moments, as we certainly call it P.V.A here, but its just known as 'White Glue' in the US. Or do you have both, and parents just aren't catching on?

Yep. No one calls it PVA over here. 'white glue' 'school glue', but usually just 'Elmers Glue', which is the most prolific brand.

I generally use woodglue, either Elmers or Tighbond, and buy it a gallon at a time. Holds better than straight PVA. With as many projects as I do, I go through about a dozen gallons at a time.

mikhaila wrote:You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

It works for GW.

Besides, how hard is it to buy some PVA glue for $.25, slap a "Mikhaila's super-awesome glue (perfect for scenic bases)" label on it and and sell it for $5?

Probably a better markup, even counting the five or six minutes of extra work each week, than just about anything else you carry.

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

As long as you're only changing the trademark, I don't see the problem.

Seriously does anybody still use the citadel glue products? Everything citadel makes is grossly overpriced from their glue to their figure cases, however I have never felt forced to buy that stuff, there is ALWAYS a cheaper alternative.

actually wood glue is great for this as well, and I like the idea of mixing it in with some white glue.

I also prefer Tacky Glue. its just pva, but at a thicker consistency. its still cheaer than the GW white glue.

but they aren't marketing that to adults that realize what it is and can go elsewhere. its marketed for children (or rather their parents) and dumbasses. literally dumb people who don't care that its the same stuff at 5x the cost.

all in all, I'm still not mad at them. nor do I need proof they are a FOR profit company (know that first hand). they sell a product, because people will buy it.

we as informed consumers simply choose to purchase a different product. its all the same.

I thought PVC *was* wood glue.

Here is the difference:

When I go to a 'hobby' shop in my area with model planes and RC cars and board games and Plasticard and railroad sets... *NONE* of those hobbies really use elmers glue. I was in one yesterday and none of them sold that type of glue. I can get airplane glue, i can get all sorts of super glue, I can get epoxy, but not that.

When I go to a 'Game Store in my area with yugioh cards, and models and roleplaying books and anime... *NONE* of those stores really have glue except for a few forms of model specific superglue. They also don't have a wide array of basing materials like the hobby shop does.

GW supplies it as part of a 'if you show up and we have this stand, you can get everything!' It then becomes an impulse buy because not everyone wants to make a second trip to the craft store or the grocery store to buy elmers glue for less. I often find myself needing to make a dual trip every time I need model supplies because there are some things I want cheap craft-like supplies for and some things I need real product for like models and some of the paints which I want specific shades.

I don't blame them for selling Glue for 8$ and spray paint for 15$. Yesterday I was at the hobby store and wanted some clear coat protect... Of all the paints there, all they had was heavy gloss for the model car paints. GW was the only clearcoat matt available and it was 15 bucks. I chose not to buy it as I was not in a rush and could get some at the craft store next trip, but if I was busy or needed it fast, I would have gotten it as it is not worth my time driving across town to get a 3.99$ clearcoat spray.

Impulse buy and lack of easy alternatives makes the price successful. If my hobby shop stocked alternatives then it would be a no brainer, but they usually don't.

biccat wrote:

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

As long as you're only changing the trademark, I don't see the problem.

Do you have an registered MSDS for said glue in your company's name?

Are you a registered with your local state's environmental commission as a chemical manufacturer?

Do you have a license from the original manufacturer to repackage and resell the product under your own brand name?

Do you have a good lawyer?

daedalus wrote:

Buying a 20oz soda at a theme park or a pizza place will cost you on average twice as much elsewhere.

I agree with you on the theme park, but what the hell pizza place do you go to?

As for the rest of your post, he isn't complaining about any of those things because this is a GW/minis based forum. None of those things have any relevance to what the community is here for.

Oh, btw... I paid that much money to buy a gallon... let me say that again a GALLON of Elmer's glue...

chaos0xomega wrote:

daedalus wrote:

Buying a 20oz soda at a theme park or a pizza place will cost you on average twice as much elsewhere.

I agree with you on the theme park, but what the hell pizza place do you go to?

It's Joannie's, an independent place about three buildings down the road from me. One of the best pizzas in Saint Louis. feth Imo's and their nasty plasticy provel. They do tend to gouge for soda though. I seem to recall pizza hut doing it last time I was there as well. Either that, or the price of a 20oz has skyrocketed recently. Maybe I'm just getting old. I seem to recall they were about a buck from an actual store, but I'm pretty sure they're 1.75-2.00 at the aforementioned places.

As for the rest of your post, he isn't complaining about any of those things because this is a GW/minis based forum. None of those things have any relevance to what the community is here for.

Well, that's fair. Not relevant to the community, but they do operate on the same principle. As nkelsch said earlier, it's an impulse item that they can charge that much for because they're not counting on you to go across town to buy some of the good stuff.

Not that I support GW prices, but when I started with 40K I almost bought their spray primer. I was new to the whole "paint your miniatures" version of wargaming and thought that was just another cost of playing the game. As I reached out, I learned from people, forums like this, and the internet that there are plenty of alternatives to get the job done and most are cheaper than GW product. I can't fault GW for looking to make a few bucks off the uninformed/impulse purchase gamer. Just about every company does this in some fashion or another. I don't know about anyone else, but I have never seen a company say the following to me:

Employee - "Hey there! I see you are looking to buy X product. Did you know that you can get the same thing for a 1/3 of the price at your local Wal-Mart and it is just as good?"

Like Mikhaila I see no issue with GW (or him) selling the so-called "Citadel" glue at the big markup. It's the consumer's choice what glue to buy. If they appreciate the convenience and peace of mind of buying the Citadel stuff, where's the problem? If they want to do the research and save a bit of money, there are good alternatives.

Personally I use whatever PVA glue is convenient to get hold of. Evostick wood glue is good, however graphic art PVA works just as well and is cheaper. I've also had good success with Chinese PVA from the 100 yen shop in Japan.

I don't use gallons, so price differences don't worry me too much. I don't think I've used more than 500ml of it in the past three years.

PVA is PVA, pretty much.

And the bottom line you are not forced to buy it. Sure a pushy salesperson may plead with you to buy it, but the ultimate choice rests with you.