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Humanity in 40k, as a whole, isn't that bad. The Imperium is bad though. When I say (and other users say) we dislike humanity or the Imperium, we only mean the Imperium. There are plenty of cool Rogue Traders and tiny non Imperial colonies.

Ascalam wrote:And you don't take your fictional human race seriously at all

How are we fictional? We exist as a race in reality, only in slightly better position.

Space Wolves clearly.

Imperial Guard is occassionally loathed because they are somewhat overpowered and sporting a badly designed list with too many no-brainers.

Space Marines are often hated because they are ubiquitous and for occassionally attracting a higher percentage of immature players.

Tau, new Grey Knights, etc.. get bad press for (depending on who you ask) bad fluff and/or a bad fit with the rest of the 40K universe.


Providing overpowered, no-brain lists to immature players along with the, at the same time, most atrocious and most inconsistent 40K fluff yet, Space Wolves sorta combine the worst qualities all the above into a perfect storm of

LoneLictor wrote:Humanity in 40k, as a whole, isn't that bad. The Imperium is bad though. When I say (and other users say) we dislike humanity or the Imperium, we only mean the Imperium.

We have to accept that the OP is not talking about the 40k universe but Eldar, Orks and Space Marines in the real world

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
Since it's all fictional, not really. I think you need to realize that fact. I prefer Chaos Space Marines to the Imperium, I want the Imperium to be brought down and destroyed, oh noes! I'm a traitor to a bunch of fictional people. Move along.

We all know that you are joking and joking doesn't count, nice try dough
And I implement "traitor" title because some people take their fictional alien races TO seriously.

Joking? In what way? I support the goals of my preferred faction, the Chaos Space Marines, so I'd like them to tear down the Empire they built and devote it to Chaos. But that's in universe, fictional.
YOU take your fictional race too seriously, this whole conversation is proof of that.

iproxtaco wrote:
YOU take your fictional race too seriously, this whole conversation is proof of that.

I am just standing with Humanity in all sci-fi, what is wrong with that?
On the other hand, when they ask me for my nationality I said "Terran" so...I am maybe a little to much Human-lover...

In any case I am sure the Kroothawk said "Kroot" when they ask him the same thing

Wow, so much Wolf hate.... Who don't love drunken Space Vikings?

Because the get Long Fangs!Little Fethers.

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
YOU take your fictional race too seriously, this whole conversation is proof of that.

I am just standing with Humanity in all sci-fi, what is wrong with that?
On the other hand, when they ask me for my nationality I said "Terran" so...I am maybe a little to much Human-lover...

In any case I am sure the Kroothawk said "Kroot" when they ask him the same thing

Wow, so much Wolf hate.... Who don't love drunken Space Vikings?

Nothing, but when you call people a "traitor to your race" simply because they prefer another faction or don't like the Imperium, it gets a bit ridiculous.

Don't ask why people hate the Space Wolves. There are too many reasons, I'm sure you've read the relevant threads.

iproxtaco wrote:
Nothing, but when you call people a "traitor to your race" simply because they prefer another faction or don't like the Imperium, it gets a bit ridiculous.

Well they are traitors. I prefer Eldar and Tau to, but I never said that "Humans are undeveloped monkeys that must die" like some people here said.
And how do you call that?

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
Nothing, but when you call people a "traitor to your race" simply because they prefer another faction or don't like the Imperium, it gets a bit ridiculous.

Well they are traitors. I prefer Eldar and Tau to, but I never said that "Humans are undeveloped monkeys that must die" like some people here said.
And how do you call that?

And? Who cares? 40k humanity =/ modern humanity. Humanity in 40k has become corrupt and ignorant, all in the name of survival and dogma ( even if it could be argued that survival could be had at a far lower price ). That some people think that such a degenerated civilisation isn't worth caring for shouldn't be suprising.

Brother Coa wrote:

Ascalam wrote:And you don't take your fictional human race seriously at all

How are we fictional? We exist as a race in reality, only in slightly better position.

We, in real life, are not fictional. This is Reality. None of us are 9 foot tall, 600 lb superhumans with extra organs. We don't follow an uberpsyker dead god created by shamans, No alien races (that we know of) are trying to eat Holyy Terra, because we don't live on Holy Terra. We live on Earth. Reality is 21st century humanity.

The Imperium, and humanity in general, in any setting post 21st Century is fictional. Not real... In short it's MADE UP.

You are accusing people of having posters of human executions on their walls and sympathising with non-humans to the point tha tthey should be considered heretics and traitors in REAL LIFE.

To me this seems to indicate that you are the one needing the check-up from the neck up

tau i hate them. Their CC sucks and they use other races to help them.

black templar wrote:tau i hate them. Their CC sucks and they use other races to help them.

So the fact that they hire mercs to fight for them (essentially) that's a reason to hate? I call that tactics. They identified their weakness and found a suitable protection against it, meat shields that go by the name Kroot. My least favorite would have to be the Daemons, i by no means "hate" them, i just don't like their aesthetics.

Space Wolves are pretty ghastly, for all the reasons outlined already above, plus (of course) special snowflake rune magic.

English Assassin wrote:Space Wolves are pretty ghastly, for all the reasons outlined already above, plus (of course) special snowflake rune magic.

Rune magic isn't from the warp though, it's from fenris! lol silly space pups!

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
Nothing, but when you call people a "traitor to your race" simply because they prefer another faction or don't like the Imperium, it gets a bit ridiculous.

Well they are traitors. I prefer Eldar and Tau to, but I never said that "Humans are undeveloped monkeys that must die" like some people here said.
And how do you call that?

No, they aren't traitors, because 40k is FETHING FICTIONAL, and those people are talking about FETHING FICTIONAL HUMANS.

Brother Coa wrote:On the other hand, when they ask me for my nationality I said "Terran" so...I am maybe a little to much Human-lover...

I am going to put that on the next form I fill out that asks for race.


Mess with the IRS, put "Human" on your tax forms

personnally, I hate the GK not because of their background or anything like that, but because they have UBER-SUPER-ULTRA-MEGA stats, option, rules and equipment, which make them difficult to face.

lunarghost wrote:

black templar wrote:tau i hate them. Their CC sucks and they use other races to help them.

So the fact that they hire mercs to fight for them (essentially) that's a reason to hate? I call that tactics. They identified their weakness and found a suitable protection against it, meat shields that go by the name Kroot. My least favorite would have to be the Daemons, i by no means "hate" them, i just don't like their aesthetics.

I say that is being a coward!!!

Dont really like the idea of "Sky claw!" "blood claw!" "Claw claw!" 'wolfyclawstien of wolfyclaw!"....

Ascalam wrote:
We, in real life, are not fictional. This is Reality. None of us are 9 foot tall, 600 lb superhumans with extra organs. We don't follow an uberpsyker dead god created by shamans, No alien races (that we know of) are trying to eat Holyy Terra, because we don't live on Holy Terra. We live on Earth. Reality is 21st century humanity.

True, but we are still Humans and we still live on Terra. Only difference is our civilization is fueling from dead plants and animals, and we have much less people alive so that term "individual" can actually exist.

The Imperium, and humanity in general, in any setting post 21st Century is fictional. Not real... In short it's MADE UP.

That is the sadest part of this story...I wish 40k was indeed real...

You are accusing people of having posters of human executions on their walls and sympathising with non-humans to the point tha tthey should be considered heretics and traitors in REAL LIFE.

Because seeing how they value Humans in 40k I wonder how they value them in real life then?

To me this seems to indicate that you are the one needing the check-up from the neck up

Try living in this country and then tell me that...


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iproxtaco wrote:
No, they aren't traitors, because 40k is FETHING FICTIONAL, and those people are talking about FETHING FICTIONAL HUMANS.

Problem iproxtaco?
P.S. You get into arguments a lot of times for a fictional universe...hm....

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Grey Templar wrote:
I am going to put that on the next form I fill out that asks for race.


Mess with the IRS, put "Human" on your tax forms

That's right, support my cause for united Humanity in 21'st century

Chaos Daemons hands down. Playing other races is FUN, but that's never the case with daemon. The whole everything has invuln saves and nothing wears armor is irksome. It changes my strategy from using certain weapons on certain things, to "shoot everything at the highest priority target and work my way down". Yawn.