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I'm just trying to remember when America abolished slavery and allowed people to all drink out of the same water fountains...

SilverMK2 wrote:I'm just trying to remember when America abolished slavery and allowed people to all drink out of the same water fountains...

Really? Is that the road you really want to head down?

She now reports that it was in fact a British man in Spain that made the comment, not at a London airport.

I don't care about this woman, but frankly, if someone pushes in a queue, then I'm all for abusing them.

Im pretty immature, and I call people names, so I've never really understood why racial abuse is that big a deal either frankly.. I mean, Id rather be called a "white/black xxxx" than a "ginger" or a"big nosed" or "fatty" or "jug eared" or "your wife looks like she drinks under the dartboard" or whatever.

As always, I think its all a storm in a teacup. PC dogma dictates we care about racial abuse, but I dont, and I havent done since a black bloke called me a little white gak when I was being a belligerant teenager and I wasnt even remotely concerned.

Oh and then I threw a sandwich at him, but i entirely deserved the abuse, be it racial or otherwise!

Da Boss wrote:A lone briton will form a queue of one while waiting for a bus, and the correct collective noun for a group of britons is "queue". It's disconcerting after the traditional goodnatured scrum that is Dubliners boarding a bus (letting old people on first, of course.)

They really don't form orderly queues in Wales. Everyone shoves, which is annoying as hell when I can barely stand.

Of course, once I got to Scotland I actually found everyone, whilst incomprehensible, to be most courteous. In England they're both courteous and understandable. Except Yorkshire. And Suffolk.

Tragic waste of a sandwich, Matty.

If she thought that was bad, she should stay far away from Japan. Very very far away.

Or Mexico. "I fethed your mother!" is a common insult there.

DickBandit wrote:If she thought that was bad, she should stay far away from Japan. Very very far away.

Nah, in my experience, the Japanese are super-ultra polite... to your face, anyway, even if you're rude as gak. It's almost like they're thinking "I'll show these fething stupid gaijin, I'll humiliate them by remaining extremely polite no matter how stupid they get". Of course, once you're out of earshot I'm sure they have some pretty great epithets to spew.


EDIT: Err, not that I was rude to anyone, but the school I went to was full of other foreigners, so I saw some stuff.

Funny, I hear the exact opposite about Japan especially in regards to foreign females. There's still a lot of racism against blacks over in South Korea, it wouldn't surprise me if Japan was the same way.

For example, while stationed in Korea, my dad and a black friend of his (this guy is pretty much the textbook definition of oreo) go shopping in Itaewon. They walk into one the little shops and the proprietor rushes up and says to my dad, "Oh, you buy suit?" and then looks at my dad's friend and goes "Ooh, and you buy Fubu?"


On topic: The United Kingdom isn't as harmonious as they'd like us yanks to believe. And Europe should be notorious for having a long history of white nationalists beating up on each other cause they weren't born in the right place. German, Austrian, Norwegian, who gives a feth?

Carmine the Wolf wrote:The common delusion that the US has dealt with its race issues and stands as a shining example of tolerance and integration is a rather sad one; the UK in comparison is a far more tolerant and starkly less racist nation than the USA.

I'm sorry, which nation has elected a black leader? Thats what I thought. The US is by no means a shining example of tolerance and integration, but thats pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.

Amaya wrote:Funny, I hear the exact opposite about Japan especially in regards to foreign females. There's still a lot of racism against blacks over in South Korea, it wouldn't surprise me if Japan was the same way.

For example, while stationed in Korea, my dad and a black friend of his (this guy is pretty much the textbook definition of oreo) go shopping in Itaewon. They walk into one the little shops and the proprietor rushes up and says to my dad, "Oh, you buy suit?" and then looks at my dad's friend and goes "Ooh, and you buy Fubu?"


On topic: The United Kingdom isn't as harmonious as they'd like us yanks to believe. And Europe should be notorious for having a long history of white nationalists beating up on each other cause they weren't born in the right place. German, Austrian, Norwegian, who gives a feth?

Well, that's me being cynical. Every Japanese person I met was very polite. I know for sure there are Japanese who don't like foreigners, but they're certainly not as vocal or prominent as the Klan or that right-wing British party that hates foreigners. I don't remember what they're called.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm sorry, which nation has elected a black leader? Thats what I thought. The US is by no means a shining example of tolerance and integration, but thats pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.

Would that be the same nation where some citizens immediately tried to arrange to have their 'leader' killed?

J.Black wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm sorry, which nation has elected a black leader? Thats what I thought. The US is by no means a shining example of tolerance and integration, but thats pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.

Would that be the same nation where some citizens immediately tried to arrange to have their 'leader' killed?

Ah yes, fringe nutcases are certainly a good way to formulate your opinion of an entire nation.

Amaya wrote:

J.Black wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm sorry, which nation has elected a black leader? Thats what I thought. The US is by no means a shining example of tolerance and integration, but thats pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.

Would that be the same nation where some citizens immediately tried to arrange to have their 'leader' killed?

Ah yes, fringe nutcases are certainly a good way to formulate your opinion of an entire nation.

Of course. That's why I immediately assume all Brits are members of the BNP, or, even better, the British First Party (if I'm not mistaken, also known as the November 9th Society), and are exactly like that Chancellor fellow from V for Vendetta.

England Prevails!






In any event, on topic, who the hell cares what Kelis thinks of anything?

Amaya wrote:

Ah yes, fringe nutcases are certainly a good way to formulate your opinion of an entire nation.

Which leads neatly back to the OP

The circle is complete; I'm off to bed.

And that has what to do with the fact the UK isn't a shining example of racial harmony?

How many non whites hold any form of political office there?

Amaya wrote:And that has what to do with the fact the UK isn't a shining example of racial harmony?

How many non whites hold any form of political office there?

That statement probably is equally as ignorant as Kelis's.

J.Black wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm sorry, which nation has elected a black leader? Thats what I thought. The US is by no means a shining example of tolerance and integration, but thats pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.

Would that be the same nation where some citizens immediately tried to arrange to have their 'leader' killed?

An extreme minority of people start formulating that as soon as any new President is elected. The news just made a bigger deal of it initially because of the race angle.

The UK doesn't lack in bigots any more than the US and neither is better or worse than the other. At worst it seems the US is more open about as I see more denial coming from across the pond about race relations.

The BNP alone is a testament to how much more progressive you are.

Cheesecat wrote:

Amaya wrote:And that has what to do with the fact the UK isn't a shining example of racial harmony?

How many non whites hold any form of political office there?

That statement probably is equally as ignorant as Kelis's.

Limey's are really touchy about being racist, eh?

How'd that Irish thing work out?

Amaya wrote:How'd that Irish thing work out?

Quite well once Americans stopped funding the terrorists who were blowing up soldiers and civilians alike. Thanks for asking. Though at least it prepared us for how to actually deal with terrorists when we encountered them

As for earlier comments about how many "non-white" people hold office here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/07/black-minority-ethnic-mps-2010

"Minorities" and women are an increasingly large segment at our top levels of government, and are actively encouraged into politics (except perhaps in the BNP ).

RatBot wrote:

Amaya wrote:Funny, I hear the exact opposite about Japan especially in regards to foreign females. There's still a lot of racism against blacks over in South Korea, it wouldn't surprise me if Japan was the same way.

For example, while stationed in Korea, my dad and a black friend of his (this guy is pretty much the textbook definition of oreo) go shopping in Itaewon. They walk into one the little shops and the proprietor rushes up and says to my dad, "Oh, you buy suit?" and then looks at my dad's friend and goes "Ooh, and you buy Fubu?"


On topic: The United Kingdom isn't as harmonious as they'd like us yanks to believe. And Europe should be notorious for having a long history of white nationalists beating up on each other cause they weren't born in the right place. German, Austrian, Norwegian, who gives a feth?

Well, that's me being cynical. Every Japanese person I met was very polite. I know for sure there are Japanese who don't like foreigners, but they're certainly not as vocal or prominent as the Klan or that right-wing British party that hates foreigners. I don't remember what they're called.

Japanese right-wingers being unobtrusive in their condemnation of foreigners.

I'm guessing since the top part is in Korean, it is probably not saying something nice about Korean people.

Kilkrazy wrote:

RatBot wrote:

Amaya wrote:Funny, I hear the exact opposite about Japan especially in regards to foreign females. There's still a lot of racism against blacks over in South Korea, it wouldn't surprise me if Japan was the same way.

For example, while stationed in Korea, my dad and a black friend of his (this guy is pretty much the textbook definition of oreo) go shopping in Itaewon. They walk into one the little shops and the proprietor rushes up and says to my dad, "Oh, you buy suit?" and then looks at my dad's friend and goes "Ooh, and you buy Fubu?"


On topic: The United Kingdom isn't as harmonious as they'd like us yanks to believe. And Europe should be notorious for having a long history of white nationalists beating up on each other cause they weren't born in the right place. German, Austrian, Norwegian, who gives a feth?

Well, that's me being cynical. Every Japanese person I met was very polite. I know for sure there are Japanese who don't like foreigners, but they're certainly not as vocal or prominent as the Klan or that right-wing British party that hates foreigners. I don't remember what they're called.

Japanese right-wingers being unobtrusive in their condemnation of foreigners.

You know, I was about to say I never saw anything like that (though I'm not denying it exists, certainly), but then I remembered seeing a car in Osaka flying the Imperial Sunburst flag, and when it drove by people on the sidewalk got uncomfortable, including the Japanese person I was with. The people in the car were talking through a loudspeaker, and my guide seemed hesitant to translate what they were saying.

Forgot about that until now.

Really, every place has it's share of right-wing crazies. And left wing crazies, for that matter. I fully admit to being rather ignorant about Japanese politics.
Making a generalization, though, most Japanese people seem a lot less confrontational than Westerners, IE, cutting in line would've caused a bit of grumbling, I think, but I think it unlikely it would've resulted in the kind of vitriol Kelis encountered in Spain. In the end, some third-rate singer got chewed out by a grouchy old racist. I don't see this as newsworthy.

Amaya wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

Amaya wrote:And that has what to do with the fact the UK isn't a shining example of racial harmony?

How many non whites hold any form of political office there?

That statement probably is equally as ignorant as Kelis's.

Limey's are really touchy about being racist, eh?

How'd that Irish thing work out?

What Irish thing?

Britain had a woman PM over 30 years ago, abolished slavery over 50 years earlier than the states, and don't have numerous senators that say insanely bigoted gak (check the American taliban website out) but Obama won an election 2 years ago and now the US is a shining becon of tolerance and equality.?

It's funny as well considering half the country has been proper moaning about it, and its painfully obvious to the rest of the world that shed loads of the criticism directed towards him is quite clearly overt racism. Sure the right wingers say "Oh no its..er.. because I don't like his policy" but its because they don't want no black man in charge.

Limeys aren't more touchy than anybody else about being racist, most humans are pretty much identical regardless of nation. No, we really really hate (Just like everyone) rank hypocrisy.

And when some American bloke tries to mock the entire country despite the fact that they have the identical issue in their own, we find it comically ridiculous, and so should you.

Might I also say that the UK vs US thing is ridiculously childish, and I am somewhat concerned as to why grown men engage on a cock wiggling contest here on dakka so regularly about "which country is betta" when frankly there isnt really much of a difference at all between any first world country, and Im even including Scotland on that list. I lived in the states and the only real difference was the meals were bigger, the weather was nicer, the beer was dearer and the traffic was worse.

Am now confused as to why Kelis was in the Spanish and EU passport holder queue rather than the Other Countries queue.

Perhaps it was one of those little airports where there is only one queue.

Kilkrazy wrote:Am now confused as to why Kelis was in the Spanish and EU passport holder queue rather than the Other Countries queue.

Maybe she just wanted to annoy the English people who were all settled in for a damn good queue (the best part of any holiday).

Also to Matty above

Though it is fun to poke other countries and have your own poked sometimes

If you can poke a country you are a bigger man than I.

I'll poke your country.



Wait, what?

Kilkrazy wrote:Am now confused as to why Kelis was in the Spanish and EU passport holder queue rather than the Other Countries queue.

Perhaps it was one of those little airports where there is only one queue.

An airport without at least 10 queue's is just a strip of dirt

All those queues at airports.

No wonder Brits like to travel by air.