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I'm actually just having an annoying time trying to fix up the HQ in the list.

Nothing really stands out as interesting and St. Celestine doesn't fit with the list...

Lynata wrote:I think the armour and robes should keep the form they have now - just make them more refined, add more detail (purity seals, inscriptions, paraphernalia).

Really, they've looked that way for 20 years and have several in-universe reasons for why they do - it'd just be weird if they would change their looks overnight, in doing so also invalidating a good deal of images. It'd be as if GW would suddenly change the way Marine helmets look.

What I am praying for, however, is that any new minis - if we ever get them - will NOT have high heels. Seriously, the amount of actually decent fan-art and even cosplay where someone added high heels ... it drives me mad!

Maybe they'd wear high heels for the same reason a monk wears a hair-lined shirt?

Squigsquasher wrote:Pouncey, stop being creepy...What are you, some kind of demented fangirl?

Demented? No, I don't have dementia. But I do have schizophrenia. Does that count? ^_^

Henners91 wrote:Maybe they'd wear high heels for the same reason a monk wears a hair-lined shirt?

But within their convents, the Sisters already wear hair-shirts as well.

No, high heels obstruct movement and are just a hindrance in battle. There's self-mortification and then there's stupidity - just because they value pain and penitence as part of their "organizational culture" doesn't mean they would deliberately handicap their troops and risk victory. If it were so, they'd all go into battle dressed like Repentia.

It's just that there is one single drawing from John Blanche (who puts high heels on any female he paints) differing from their normal representation (proper "metal combat boots"), and for some reason there's a number of people who prefer to look at the Sisters like fancy fashion models rather than holy warriors. I remain convinced that such presentations take away from their professional image as elite soldiers. I can believe some Inquisitors enjoying to wear high heels both because it's fancy (and unlike the Sororitas many of them do have a sense of fashion) and for those few inches of added height. I can even believe Assassins wearing high heels because of some weird training regime that allows them to use their feet like weapons and stab people. But for the Imperial Guard and the Sisterhood ... no. Just no. They don't spend their lives on the solid ground of some palace. In their line of duty, those girls have to wade through battlefields full of mud and water and organic remains without tripping, so they'd wear appropriate footgear for the job.

Personal opinion, of course!

Sororitas totally have a sense of fashion; corset-armour, anyone?

Lynata wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Maybe they'd wear high heels for the same reason a monk wears a hair-lined shirt?

But within their convents, the Sisters already wear hair-shirts as well.

No, high heels obstruct movement and are just a hindrance in battle. There's self-mortification and then there's stupidity - just because they value pain and penitence as part of their "organizational culture" doesn't mean they would deliberately handicap their troops and risk victory. If it were so, they'd all go into battle dressed like Repentia.

It's just that there is one single drawing from John Blanche (who puts high heels on any female he paints) differing from their normal representation (proper "metal combat boots"), and for some reason there's a number of people who prefer to look at the Sisters like fancy fashion models rather than holy warriors. I remain convinced that such presentations take away from their professional image as elite soldiers. I can believe some Inquisitors enjoying to wear high heels both because it's fancy (and unlike the Sororitas many of them do have a sense of fashion) and for those few inches of added height. I can even believe Assassins wearing high heels because of some weird training regime that allows them to use their feet like weapons and stab people. But for the Imperial Guard and the Sisterhood ... no. Just no. They don't spend their lives on the solid ground of some palace. In their line of duty, those girls have to wade through battlefields full of mud and water and organic remains without tripping, so they'd wear appropriate footgear for the job.

Personal opinion, of course!

I wonder what purpose the form-fittingness of the power armor serves...

It makes the models look less like men?

n0t_u wrote:It makes the models look less like men?

I meant in-universe, sorry. ^_^

Same reason for the loop hole preventing them from having an army of men?

n0t_u wrote:Same reason for the loop hole preventing them from having an army of men?

Ahh.

NOW it makes sense. ^_^

Also, when the Mechanicus came up with the design, Vandire (as the one ordering the purchase) had a hand in it, and he simply enjoyed the sights. The "Brides of the Emperor" were more than just his bodyguards, you see.

Basically, the design of Angel-pattern armour can be traced back to three sources - it's a mixture of what the cult of the Daughters of the Emperor on San Leor has worn for ages before being discovered, intermingled with Imperial state-of-the-art military high-tech and a touch of Ecclesiarch Goge Vandire's personal preferences.

Henners91 wrote:Sororitas totally have a sense of fashion; corset-armour, anyone?

Actually, not all Sisters of Battle wear those. Others, usually high-ranking or elite members (Canonesses, Celestians), sport an all-metal plackart (looks like this) decorated with their iconography. Yet others wear nothing above the metal plating, showing that the studded leather sleeve () likely exists to protect the fine lamellar-like armour beneath from battlefield dust or whatever.

Edit: picture of the differences ->

Lynata wrote:Also, when the Mechanicus came up with the design, Vandire (as the one ordering the purchase) had a hand in it, and he simply enjoyed the sights. The "Brides of the Emperor" were more than just his bodyguards, you see.

Basically, the design of Angel-pattern armour can be traced back to three sources - it's a mixture of what the cult of the Daughters of the Emperor on San Leor has worn for ages before being discovered, intermingled with Imperial state-of-the-art military high-tech and a touch of Ecclesiarch Goge Vandire's personal preferences.

Henners91 wrote:Sororitas totally have a sense of fashion; corset-armour, anyone?

Actually, not all Sisters of Battle wear those. Others, usually high-ranking or elite members (Canonesses, Celestians), sport an all-metal plackart (looks like this) decorated with their iconography. Yet others wear nothing, showing that the studded leather sleeve () likely exists to protect the fine lamellar-like armour beneath from battlefield dust or whatever.

:: nod nod :: I learned something today. ^_^

htj wrote:Personally, the WD dex just left me utterly cold. My Sisters are still in retirement until something interesting comes along for them, or my friends and I finish making our own dex for them. It's all just terribly, terribly unexciting.

When were they exciting?

They've only ever been Marines-lite with minor magic powers.

DarknessEternal wrote:When were they exciting?
They've only ever been Marines-lite with minor magic powers.

That's like asking why Marines are exciting.

The Adepta Sororitas have some really cool fluff and visual designs - had so since their very first appearance in the original Rogue Trader rulebook. All that's missing to make them exciting is rules that build upon that and make them fun to play.

Things like, for example, taking away unique wargear such as the Blessed Weapon or the Praesidium Protectiva (why?!) or special rules that build upon the spirit of the army (anti-psyker Shield of Faith) are the opposite of that. As is designing the rules in a way that will basically have every SoB army look and play the same, with obvious and unexplainable disadvantages (such as what a difference in stats 10 points would bring you when comparing a Rosarius'd Canoness to a Marine Captain).

DarknessEternal wrote:

htj wrote:Personally, the WD dex just left me utterly cold. My Sisters are still in retirement until something interesting comes along for them, or my friends and I finish making our own dex for them. It's all just terribly, terribly unexciting.

When were they exciting?

They've only ever been Marines-lite with minor magic powers.

Maybe our tastes differ, hm? The fluff and the flavour of the units is what I'm refering to, in combination with the style of play on the tabletop. I enjoyed the Sisters play style for quite a while but found that the 3rd/4th ed. Codex was limited in variety. This new WD one has even less variety of play and substantially less fluff to add. That you never found them to be exciting doesn't make much of an impact on the fact that I, one time, did. It's not an objectively quantifiable thing after all, it's an emotional reaction.

Lynata wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:When were they exciting?
They've only ever been Marines-lite with minor magic powers.

That's like asking why Marines are exciting.

The Adepta Sororitas have some really cool fluff and visual designs - had so since their very first appearance in the original Rogue Trader rulebook. All that's missing to make them exciting is rules that build upon that and make them fun to play.

Things like, for example, taking away unique wargear such as the Blessed Weapon or the Praesidium Protectiva (why?!) or special rules that build upon the spirit of the army (anti-psyker Shield of Faith) are the opposite of that. As is designing the rules in a way that will basically have every SoB army look and play the same, with obvious and unexplainable disadvantages (such as what a difference in stats 10 points would bring you when comparing a Rosarius'd Canoness to a Marine Captain).

Actually, they gave the Blessed Weapon to the Space Marines in the form of relic blades. ^_^

Pouncey wrote:Actually, they gave the Blessed Weapon to the Space Marines in the form of relic blades. ^_^

Now where have I seen something like that before...?

Lynata wrote:

Pouncey wrote:Actually, they gave the Blessed Weapon to the Space Marines in the form of relic blades. ^_^

Now where have I seen something like that before...?

:: shrugs and huggles you :: All better. ^_^

GW dropped the ball not giving it a real codex, and to their least popular army to begin with.

I think if I was going to play sisters I would just use a GK henchmen army. Your sisters can be acolytes in power armour with bolters or melta guns/flamers. Repentia can be used as banishers. You can use cardinal what’s his name as Coteaz or and a canoness can be an Inquisitor. You would still have access to Rhinos, use repressors for Chimeras. You get back the assassins they used to have. Plus you would have access to land raiders and gunships. Just don’t go nuts with the other stuff, like dread knights or GK and keep to the theme of sisters. It would be really cool to make the other henchmen out of sisters of sigmar to represent the other orders of Adeptus Soroitas. Only real problem I could see is the fact that you would have to use servitors as sisters w/heavy weapons, only a 4+ a save, but when the rest of the squad has power armour I guess it’s not that bad.

Hmm, might be interesting to play them with 4+ saves, count the PA as carapace. I might tinker with a list like this.

It just seems that a henchman army is more versatile in game play then the SoB WD dex. A lot of modeling options too. Common sister Jakeros, mystics or crusaders seems like an awesome opportunity.

*shivers* Well, obviously a matter of taste. Personally, I'd rather play them as Marines, if I would have to go the "counts as" way at all. Just seems to be a bit closer to the style of the army in comparison.

(funny sidenote, the first official stats for SoB actually gave them T4)

But I'll try the new rules first. They're clearly underpowered, but maybe one can still "make do" somehow ...

Lynata wrote:*shivers* Well, obviously a matter of taste. Personally, I'd rather play them as Marines, if I would have to go the "counts as" way at all. Just seems to be a bit closer to the style of the army in comparison.

(funny sidenote, the first official stats for SoB actually gave them T4)

But I'll try the new rules first. They're clearly underpowered, but maybe one can still "make do" somehow ...

It would work very easily. I don't really care about fluff, but there are enough T4 armies out there as it is.

Lynata wrote:They're clearly underpowered,

If you're any good at all, this will not be your sentiment after actually playing them.

I don't get out to the stores much. Are you guys seeing many SoB armies since the WD dex? I never saw too many of them before.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Lynata wrote:They're clearly underpowered,

If you're any good at all, this will not be your sentiment after actually playing them.

Do you have an SoB army? Have you played it with the new rules?

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:I don't get out to the stores much. Are you guys seeing many SoB armies since the WD dex? I never saw too many of them before.

I'd actually go so far as to say they were the least-played army (at least as long as you don't count specific Chapters or IG Regiments) - but in a way, I actually think this "uniqueness" is part of what makes them special. Having a Sisters army almost guaranteed that you are the only player fielding one at an event. On the other hand, of course there's the downside of this vicious cycle ... few customers -> little support -> few customers -> little support ...

I too would be curious if the number of players has dropped or risen (by whatever number) since the two White Dwarf issues, though.

Lynata wrote:Do you have an SoB army? Have you played it with the new rules?

Yes, and yes. They're vastly better than the internet is giving them credit.

Very well. Thanks for lifting my spirit - a little.

I still want my Blessed Weapon back though.

Squigsquasher wrote:Pouncey, stop being creepy...What are you, some kind of demented fangirl?

+1

Is it really necessary to say "boobies" fifty thousand times in a thread about the sisters of battle? How old are you, pouncey?