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Mustela wrote:What about SW with Grminar and max wolfguard on bikes with dual SS?

Already covered that.

Commissar Typhus wrote:

monkeypuzzle wrote:Erm, hate to break this to the Blood Angels players but you can only take one unit of Death Company in an army, not 6!

Not if you take the character which removes the limit.

I have a question for the BA vs IG.... which list would win?

I'll go with IG in most cases and not only because they're the army I play. They have an absurd amount of anti-MEQ firepower, particularly if they take Banewolves, and I think that even the BA would have somewhat of a problem with that amount of bodies on the field thrown against them.

dreadfury101 wrote:to the IG max, did you add Commisar Yarrick 185Points

Not worth it. Taking Yarrick means not taking a CCS, which is much, much, much more expensive.

Can't the BA player give all his units Land Raiders for transports?

Amanax wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Amanax wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:Just checked, and the highest the Eldar can go is almost 5000 points. Sad face :(

Challenge accepted


Total = 8,217

Either your math is wrong or Army Builders is. I used virtually the same list but replaced Scorpions with 5 WG and a Lock in a WS which is more expensive and came out 99pts lower. You might see where an error is that I have though.
Either way Eldar cross 5k and then some.

Total Roster Cost: 8118

You're not supposed to post individual points of upgrades.

On another note, I may have added something wrong, but I did notice that you didn't spirit seer your jetlock council warlocks. That right there cost you 120 points. I'll go back through and see if I miscalculated though.

Yup, just checked out both of our list's math. Both are spot on, you just forgot the spirit seer on those jetlocks like I mentioned. Everything else for us both checks out.

So are splitting Eldar hairs but 8238 final Eldar max?
I forgot that AB dropped individual costs. When I get home I'll edit them out, but at least it helped you find the disconnect.


@ the guy who hated to break it to BA players that DC are 0-1. Anytime you call out a whole group of players it's besc to read the codex first. Everyone trips over thier...erm...swords every once in a while.

Rocky1 wrote:Grey Knights
HQ
Kaldor draigo-275
Mordark w/ 5 knights-445

Troops
10 paladins-apothecary, 4 cannons, 8 falchions, stave, banner, psybolt, 9 mc shooting weapons,9 mc cc weapons-900
10 paladins-apothecary, 4 cannons, 8 falchions, stave, banner, psybolt, 9 mc shooting weapons,9 mc cc weapons-900
10 paladins-apothecary, 4 cannons, 8 falchions, stave, banner, psybolt, 9 mc shooting weapons,9 mc cc weapons-900
10 paladins-apothecary, 4 cannons, 8 falchions, stave, banner, psybolt, 9 mc shooting weapons,9 mc cc weapons-900
10 paladins-apothecary, 4 cannons, 8 falchions, stave, banner, psybolt, 9 mc shooting weapons,9 mc cc weapons-900
10 paladins-apothecary, 4 cannons, 8 falchions, stave, banner, psybolt, 9 mc shooting weapons,9 mc cc weapons-900

Elites
12 jokaero--420
12 jokaero-420
12 jokaero-420

Fast attack
10 interceptors-2 incinerators,7 hammers,stave psybolt,2 mc,-445
10 interceptors-2 incinerators,7 hammers,stave psybolt,2 mc,-445
10 interceptors-2 incinerators,7 hammers,stave psybolt,2 mc,-445

Heavy support
10 purgation-4 cannons,5 falchions,stave,psybolt,2 mc,homer-390
10 purgation-4 cannons,5 falchions,stave,psybolt,2 mc,homer-390
10 purgation-4 cannons,5 falchions,stave,psybolt,2 mc,homer-390

Dedicated transport
Razorback-T.L. lascannons and all upgrades x6-876

Total
10,761
As high as I could go with GK.

You need a inquisitor for each Henchman unit, or Coteaz, so this list would be invalid. The 10536 list is the best you can do with GKs. They have expensive troops, but all units are a maximum of 10 guys, which hamstrings you for this exercise.

You need a inquisitor for each Henchman unit, or Coteaz

I completely forgot about that.

EmilCrane wrote:Can't the BA player give all his units Land Raiders for transports?

Yes i vould but that would mean removing jump packs from the Death ompany which even with the Land Raider would make thme much cheaper. And everything that has no jumpack does have one as a Transport anyway.

Yes i vould but that would mean removing jump packs from the Death ompany which even with the Land Raider would make thme much cheaper. And everything that has no jumpack does have one as a Transport anyway.

He can still take them he just dosn't have to go in them.

Rocky1 wrote:

Yes i vould but that would mean removing jump packs from the Death ompany which even with the Land Raider would make thme much cheaper. And everything that has no jumpack does have one as a Transport anyway.

He can still take them he just dosn't have to go in them.

No they can't they can only take them if they un equip the jump packs. Exact qoute from codex under the death Company entry reads 'Dedicated transport: If the squad does not have jump packs, it can select any dedicated transport (see page 90). So I cannot give them Land Raiders as dedicated transports.

I just double checked the Eldar math in Excell, and we indeed max out at 8238. We just can't take enough units like the Council, and being limited to 399 points per troop choices slows us down considerably.

Anyway

It would be really fun to see the "infinite lesser daemons" chaos list play against one of the other big hitters, IG or BA.

The game would depend entirely on chaos icons. Since there are infinite deamons, infinite of them would arrive from reserve. Since they can only be placed within 6 inches of an Icon, what this means is that essentially every turn reserves are available, As many squads of Lesser Daemons as can be fit within 6 inches of the various Icons will be deployed... Thus by targeting the Icons you could lower the number of Deamons deployed each turn...

Blood Angels would have a lot more trouble, as the Rage rules make DC incredibly vulnerable to screens upon screens of Lesser Daemons...

Yup, Eldar are on the low end.

Although, you could argue that Warlocks in the Wraithguard squad are technically allowed Jetbikes. The intent of the rule is pretty clear that they can't, but "Mount all warlocks in the unit on jetbikes" seems like it applies to every Warlock, not just the council. So, we could get another 180 points...

Eldar are on the low end of filling out the FoC with ridiculous high point choices. But lesbianist once you get that high you will probably move into Apoc rules. Plus all the choices in Eldar are pretty even across the FoC. I can't remember exactl numbers but a full guardian jetbike squad with cannons and warlock is 300 plus. The most unbalanced choice is the heavy support platforms, too cheap y'all. I'm guessing the next codex will push The model count up and open end the FoC a little.

AustonT wrote:Eldar are on the low end of filling out the FoC with ridiculous high point choices. But lesbianist once you get that high you will probably move into Apoc rules. Plus all the choices in Eldar are pretty even across the FoC. I can't remember exactl numbers but a full guardian jetbike squad with cannons and warlock is 300 plus. The most unbalanced choice is the heavy support platforms, too cheap y'all. I'm guessing the next codex will push The model count up and open end the FoC a little.

Lesbianist???



Are you trying to say "Let's be honest"?

the Max guard army would anialate the BA max army
think about it you have

6 x 50 guard squads
6x 50 conscripts

16 orders enough to give everyone FRFSRF within 12" you are looking at 1800 las shots
and a wee checky 45 plasma cannons

I'm gonna give Dark Angels a try here:

HQ: 1220
Supreme Commander Azrael and command squad - 615
2 plasma pistols
2 power fists
5 meltabombs
2 plasma guns
apothecary
standard bearer with chapter banner
Laserback w/extra armour, hunter-killer missile, dozer blades, storm bolter

Master Sammael and command squad - 605
2 plasma pistols
2 power fists
5 meltabombs
2 plasma guns
apothecary
standard bearer with company banner
Laserback w/extra armour, hunter-killer missile, dozer blades, storm bolter

Troops: 2670
6 3 Ravenwing Attack Squadrons - 445 each
6 bikes
plasma pistol
meltabomb
2 plasma guns
attack bike
land speeder

Elites: 2460
3 10-man Company Veteran Squads - 820 each
10 lightning claws
10 storm shields
10 meltabombs
Laserback w/storm bolter, dozer blades, hunter-killer missile, extra armour

Fast Attack: 1335
3 Ravenwing Attack Squadrons - 445 each
6 bikes
plasma pistol
meltabomb
2 plasma guns
attack bike
land speeder

Heavy Support: 1980
3 Land Raiders (Godhammer or Crusaders) - 285 each
storm bolter
extra armour
hunter killer missile

3 bonus Techmarines - 375 each
plasma pistol
servo-harness
4 servitors w/plasma cannons
Laserback w/extra armour, hunter-killer missile, dozer blades, storm bolter

Grand total: 9665

That is a whole lot of bikes and speeders on the field, but we still couldn't break 10,000. I almost tried taking kitted-out dreadnoughts, but they were still cheaper than the vet squads. And while Devastator squads come out to 450 points when totally loaded up, the bonus techmarines only come in with vehicles, making each land raider effectively 660 points a piece.

Your mileage may vary, of course...

Tried a maxed Nid list last night, came to about 10k. Nothing special.

Gonna do some Tyranids now!

HQ: 1310
2 Hive Tyrants - 430 each
devourers or deathspitters
heavy venom cannon
hive commander
old adversary
indescribable horror
adrenal glands
toxin sacs
acid blood
implant attack
toxic miasma
regeneration
wings

2 3-Tyrant Guard broods - 225 each
boneswords

Troops: 3456
6 20-Genestealer broods - 576 each
broodlord w/scything talons, implant attack, acid blood
scything talons
adrenal glands
toxin sacs
mycetic spore with venom cannon

Elites: 690
3 10-Ymgarl Genestealer broods - 230 each

Fast attack: 1395
3 9-Tyranid Shrike broods - 465 each
rending claws
boneswords and lash whips
adrenal glands
toxin sacs

Heavy Support: 2520
3 3-Carnifex broods - 840 each
crushing claws
heavy venom cannon
frag spines
adrenal glands
toxin sacs
bio plasma
regeneration

Grand total: 9411

Almost took 3 Termagant broods to get 3 tervigons as troops, but neither came to the cost of a fully kitted-out genestealer brood.



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Ratius wrote:Tried a maxed Nid list last night, came to about 10k. Nothing special.

Wow, this just appeared after I posted my Nids list...

You can eek out a few more points with wings on each HT and lash whips on the guards. I think I tried 3x9 warriors maxed in troops in a pod. If you max them I think you can get close/above the stealers. Dont have me sheets on me here.

oops! the tyrant did have wings, I forgot to type them in. But you can't put lash whips and boneswords on the guards...


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oops! the tyrant did have wings, I forgot to type them in. But you can't put lash whips and boneswords on the guards...

Dear Eldar players,

While a squad of 10 Wraithguard and their warlock will not fit into a Wave Serpent, can they still purchase the dedicated transport? If So:

HQ
Farseer, runes, runes, stones, spear, jetbike, doom, fortune, mindwar.
10x Warlock with Enhance, jetbike, spear, upgraded to spiritseers.

898

Farseer, runes, runes, stones, spear, jetbike, doom, fortune, mindwar.
10x Warlock with Enhance, jetbike, spear, upgraded to spiritseers.

898

Elites

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Troops

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Warlock, upgraded to spiritseer, conceal, spear
10 Wraithguard
Wave Serpent, Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, star engines, vector engines, stones.

589

Fast Attack

3 Vypers, bright lances, shuriken cannon, vector, star, holo, stones

495

3 Vypers, bright lances, shuriken cannon, vector, star, holo, stones

495

3 Vypers, bright lances, shuriken cannon, vector, star, holo, stones

495

Heavy Support

Dark reapers x6 with Exarch, Tempest, Fast Shot, Crack shot.
Wave Serpent, Brightlances, Shuriken Cannon, Vector, Star, Stones.

462

Dark reapers x6 with Exarch, Tempest, Fast Shot, Crack shot.
Wave Serpent, Brightlances, Shuriken Cannon, Vector, Star, Stones.

462

Dark reapers x6 with Exarch, Tempest, Fast Shot, Crack shot.
Wave Serpent, Brightlances, Shuriken Cannon, Vector, Star, Stones.

462

Grand Total : 9969

SO Close.

I wonder, if you can technically purchase a Wave Serpent for a Seer Council on Jetbikes. That would put us over the 10k mark.

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:Dear Eldar players,

While a squad of 10 Wraithguard and their warlock will not fit into a Wave Serpent, can they still purchase the dedicated transport?

No, they cannot. "A unit of up to 5 Wraithguard and 1 Warlock may be mounted in a Wave Serpent (see entry)."

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:I wonder, if you can technically purchase a Wave Serpent for a Seer Council on Jetbikes. That would put us over the 10k mark.

No again. "If not riding jetbikes, a Warlock unit may be mounted in a Wave Serpent (see entry)."

Yeah you can't give wriathguard a WS if they number more than 5. The upshot in a real list is that a WS can carry 5 WG and two other characters.

Bah got to 9965 with the Nids, so close!

If you take 9 warriors one with a HVC with max upgrades in a pod they come out at 610.

Also one shrike can have a HVC too. I think your calcs may be off Solo, 9 were coming in at 585 for me?

Also 3 Zoans in a pod with weapon are 240 bettering the Ymgarls by 10!

New Sisters of Battle WD Codex: A paltry total of 7407

HQ: 922
2 of
Canoness- 2x Eviscerator, Rosarius, Meltabombs (145)
Sororitas Command Squad- Simulacrum, 3x Heavy Flamer (195)
Immolator- TL MM, searchlight, dozer blade, storm bolter, hk missile, extra armor (121)

Elite: 1583
5 of
Ecclesiarchy Priest- 2x Eviscerator, melta bombs (100)

3 of
Celestians- 5 extra, heavy flamer, meltagun, simulacrum, superior with 2x plasma pistol and meltabombs (240)
Immolator- same as above (121)

Troops: 2706
6 of
Battle Sisters Squad- 10 additional, heavy flamer, meltagun, simulacrum, superior with 2x condemnor boltguns and melta bombs (330)
Immolator- same as above (121)

Fast Attack: 1053
3 of
Dominions- 5 additional, 4x meltagun, simulacrum, superior with 2x plasma pistols and melta bombs (230)
Immolator- same as above (121)

Heavy Support: 1143
3 of
Retributors- 5 additional, 4x heavy flamer, simulacrum, superior with 2x condemnor boltgun and meltabombs (260)
Immolator- same as above (121)

Very low points value. I did notice that the highest cost weapons loadouts tend to be the most popular ones in previous codexes. Heh. That, and the list would be absolutely ridiculous. Bloated squads that couldn't come anywhere close to fitting in their transports, and sergeants/hqs running around double-fisting weapons that they couldn't even use together. At least it would be funny to see. Priests waving around a giant eviscerator in each hand, cowboy sisters with 2 plasma pistols, and rambo sisters with a crossbow/bolter in each hand. I can hear the maniacal laughter now...

I don't see any prohibitions in the codex against taking two eviscerators, but I can't remember if there was anything said about it in the main rulebook. I can switch things around if necessary, but it'd lose 30 points in the deal.

entropolous wrote:
The 10536 list is the best you can do with GKs. They have expensive troops, but all units are a maximum of 10 guys, which hamstrings you for this exercise.

correction:
10905 is the highest you can go with GKs.

Drop
Mordrak and his posse

Add
=I= Karamazov
Henchman squad
10 jokero
1 warriors w/ Meltabombs, power armour, hotshot laser, power fist
1 warriors w/ Meltabombs, power armour, 2x power fist
RazBack w/ all the toys

(Henchman count as elites but do not take up slots in the force org, p 90)