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Panzerbjorn wrote:Kanluwen: Thank you, bud! Wasn't sure if they were the same or not, but after I read that you could thin the squadron putty with liquid plastic cement, I was starting to wonder about the wisdom on using it on plastic miniatures.

Yup you can thin with Squadron putty and similar putties with liquid cement.
It is generally okay on plastic. I have also done similar with Tamiya liquid surface primer and found that to be excellent for shallow sink marks on softer plastics than GW.
So it should be okay.

Also Squadron excess can be wiped off with nail varnisher remover containing acetone
Having said that as Kanners pointed out iirc, these are not nice things to be playing around with.
If there are water soluble equivalents available that function as well as the volatile ones, it must be better to use the former imho.

Here's the way I'm looking at it.

Squadron Putty remains my 'go-to' tool for large gaps in cases like Dreadnoughts, Leman Russes, etc.

For small gaps on infantry, misalignments, things like that--I'm pulling out the Liquid Green Stuff.

For actually resculpting detail, hello plain ol' Green Stuff.

Occassionally when I have to fill big gaps of say 1mm plus (it has happened!) I like to put is some styrene card scrap and use poly cement as you would with plastic kits. Obviously CA would have to be used for resin kits.

Then trim back the styrene and sand down.
Something like LGS would be a good way of then finishing off nice and smooth.

Indeed.

It's not a magical, wonderful cure-all for anything really large.

It's just another tool for the batbelt.

Worglock wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Why doesnt anyone just use wall fillers?

Because we're working with Toy Soldiers and not the Living Room Wall?

Again?
Have you actually used one before?

I got the Vallejo Plastic Putty last week for the specific purpose of fixing all my wonderful new "finecast" models. I have a few now and (suprise!) they all need filling! VPP works great, I just water it down.

Liquid green stuff is honestly pretty good. The local shop sold out within the first week of getting it. Even more funny is the fact that the hobby store I frequent doesn't even have much of a GW crowd. Some of the guys that work on ww2 models are using it now. It's much easier to pack into thin gaps than real green stuff, as it's really soft and you can make it even softer with a bit of water. It takes to filing a bit too easy, but maybe that's because I'm used to traditional GS. As stated before, it's great for small lines on models, but I'd use something else for larger gaps. Squadron will still probably remain a staple for that. And yeah, it's definitely not good for conversions or sculpting. I might see how well it works with instant mold (oyumaru), though.

I believe that this understocking further shows that GW does not understand it's market and does not do any research to figure out the supply and demand of it's products.

I think this demonstrates the ridiculous attitudes that some now have towards GW.

It's a good product, many have backed it's utility. Instead it's a GW fail because it's selling too quickly or it's another story of incompetence from the Evil Empire. Cynicism or paranoia take your pick.

AesSedai wrote:I use plastic putty and it is well suited for its purpose. What were the modellers who snapped up all the LGS using before?

For some things I used PVA as a small gap filler. Other times I used actual kneadatite, or modeling putties squeezed from a tube, depending on the precise need. I picked up the LGS because it was there, and there was certainly no harm in giving it a try.

notprop wrote:I think this demonstrates the ridiculous attitudes that some now have towards GW.

It's a good product, many have backed it's utility. Instead it's a GW fail because it's selling too quickly or it's another story of incompetence from the Evil Empire. Cynicism or paranoia take your pick.

I feel a deep sense of shame for being forced to actually agree with you on something...

That's alright, common sense comes to us all at some point.

It just took you longer than most.

GW once again proves it fails.

It isn't a fail, though if the Vallejo product was first then GW just copied someone else's idea.

I had hoped they had invented the product.

It doesn't invalidate Liquid Green Stuff though, and I am glad to have had the Vallejo product brought to my notice.

Kanluwen wrote:

Panzerbjorn wrote:Is Squadron Green Putty a comparable product?



It seems to me that it's almost the same stuff. Although, I think the Squadron stuff needs a laquer-based thinner to thin it out. But it seems to be the same concept.

I've used Squadron putty for years.

I can comfortably say that Squadron putty is nothing the same as Liquid Green Stuff.

How can you comfortably say that?

It sounds rather awkward!

Kilkrazy wrote:It isn't a fail, though if the Vallejo product was first then GW just copied someone else's idea.

I had hoped they had invented the product.

It doesn't invalidate Liquid Green Stuff though, and I am glad to have had the Vallejo product brought to my notice.

The Vallejo stuff isn't green, so they didn't do Liquid Greenstuff first.

I'm sure everyone can agree that as hobbyists it can only be a good thing to have more variety on the market?

Killkrazy, on a side note although I am a great fan of Peter Sellers, are you planning on returning to your Japanese-themed avatars at some point?

Pacific wrote:I'm sure everyone can agree that as hobbyists it can only be a good thing to have more variety on the market?

Unless it has Games Workshop stamped on it. Then it's only to be mocked and hated.

Worglock wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:It isn't a fail, though if the Vallejo product was first then GW just copied someone else's idea.

I had hoped they had invented the product.

It doesn't invalidate Liquid Green Stuff though, and I am glad to have had the Vallejo product brought to my notice.

The Vallejo stuff isn't green, so they didn't do Liquid Greenstuff first.

Vallejo Plastic Putty is white. I find it is really easy to see when working on details. That was the first thing I noticed about it once I added the water. I have a hard time seeing greenstuff when working on details. So that was a nice suprise.

I know that Privateer Press has had company wide empty stock on certain items for a while now. So it is not rare but still uncommon to happen.

I also for a fact that some hobby stores still have a stock of liquid green stuff.

Figure the bubbly fine cast models became an "opportunity" to develop/sell a new product to make money on unwanted "features" of their new models.

The "ah what the heck" purchase theory looks good too.

Not sure this fills any particular need that is not already covered by basic modeling supplies.

Worglock wrote:

Pacific wrote:I'm sure everyone can agree that as hobbyists it can only be a good thing to have more variety on the market?

Unless it has Games Workshop stamped on it. Then it's only to be mocked and hated.

Really mate, you need to go outside, go for a walk. Do some things that will put the discussions that take place on this board in perspective. You writing stuff like this actually drives people in the opposite direction, who I'm sure would otherwise be moderate, so it's having an adverse effect in terms of what I'm sure you would like to see here.

I actually spent a while today using liquid green stuff, so I figured I'd have a talk about it.

First up was my Venomthrope. Where the chineys slot into the carapace, there were some pretty noticeable gaps. Two of the chimneys also have a groove running up the front and back from the resin not filling the mold properly.

By rights, I should have returned it. But I wanted to get practice in repairing models. I'm going to have to do it some time, so a fairly inconsequential Venomthrope with a few easily fixed issues seemed like a good idea.

At first it was weird using it. I expected it to act like paint, but it doesn't. It acts like toothpaste. So I changed methods, and found myself very easily filling the gaps with it. Some very thin gaps I even tried watering it down which worked wonderfully. I watered it down to wash consistency and it just filled the gaps and dried solid. My Venomthrope is about ready for priming.

Next up was my new Hive Guard. There's nothing actually wrong with it, it's the most perfect finecast example I've seen, but I didn't like the seams where the front of the Impaler Cannon attaches. Two minutes later the seams were filled.

I can see why it's selling quickly. Even for people who have their own preferred product, this would find a splace on their shelf. It's really good.