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Yeah good point, I think they put that in WD about 6 months back or something... they don't do the books either do they? They droped the whole lot as (so I heard *salt!*) GW tried to charge them more or something...?

Not since Paul "fat bloke" Sawyer was editor have i got one(still bought a couple of copies when Black Reach was released,the one with the free minis!!!yeah FREE minis) but still read each issue in the local book store for 20 mins then going 'nah not this month thanks.

kitch102 wrote:Yeah good point, I think they put that in WD about 6 months back or something... they don't do the books either do they?

The books are still on sale, unless they're just getting rid of old stock.

WHSmith have stopped stocking WD. Currently, I either pick it up from the Tesco megastore or from the FLGS.

Since I don't do the latter, I read WD off the shelf at Tescos and put it down without paying for it. I refuse to allow GW to skank any more money out of my wallet.

^_^

Byte wrote:

Flashman wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Totally worthless. I'll continue to pay my $25 per year for a far superior online gaming media source!

You know it's kind of ironic that for all the GW bashing we engage in on this site, Dakka is the first place I come for my GW fix. It may come across as breeding ground for GW haters, but a couple of hours browsing on Dakka, notably on the painting and modelling forums, does more to increase my enthusiasm for the hobby than GW does with 12 months of WD "content".

Seriously, GW should pay Dakka money.

Yep, lots of GW rage on Dakka. Kinda funny.

99% of the rage on dakka is directed against the marketing-managers who work there, not against the people in the studios who make all the outstanding models. So if they got themselves a new management, everything would be fine

Byte wrote:

Flashman wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Totally worthless. I'll continue to pay my $25 per year for a far superior online gaming media source!

You know it's kind of ironic that for all the GW bashing we engage in on this site, Dakka is the first place I come for my GW fix. It may come across as breeding ground for GW haters, but a couple of hours browsing on Dakka, notably on the painting and modelling forums, does more to increase my enthusiasm for the hobby than GW does with 12 months of WD "content".

Seriously, GW should pay Dakka money.

Yep, lots of GW rage on Dakka. Kinda funny.

And lot's of GW Apologists as well. Kind of funny as well.

dazblackhawk wrote:Not since Paul "fat bloke" Sawyer was editor have i got one(still bought a couple of copies when Black Reach was released,the one with the free minis!!!yeah FREE minis) but still read each issue in the local book store for 20 mins then going 'nah not this month thanks.

Agree totally, that time and the time prior to it were the 'golden age' of the magazine.

The problem is now GW just aren't spending money on the magazine. To have journalism in any form you have to pay journalists, and that costs money. Personally, I wish GW would give control of the magazine to Black Library or something, as it stands it's not really a magazine at all, and is just an advertising catalogue.

Adam LongWalker wrote:

Byte wrote:

Flashman wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Totally worthless. I'll continue to pay my $25 per year for a far superior online gaming media source!

You know it's kind of ironic that for all the GW bashing we engage in on this site, Dakka is the first place I come for my GW fix. It may come across as breeding ground for GW haters, but a couple of hours browsing on Dakka, notably on the painting and modelling forums, does more to increase my enthusiasm for the hobby than GW does with 12 months of WD "content".

Seriously, GW should pay Dakka money.

Yep, lots of GW rage on Dakka. Kinda funny.

And lot's of GW Apologists as well. Kind of funny as well.

Case in point.

Byte wrote:

Adam LongWalker wrote:

Byte wrote:

Flashman wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Totally worthless. I'll continue to pay my $25 per year for a far superior online gaming media source!

You know it's kind of ironic that for all the GW bashing we engage in on this site, Dakka is the first place I come for my GW fix. It may come across as breeding ground for GW haters, but a couple of hours browsing on Dakka, notably on the painting and modelling forums, does more to increase my enthusiasm for the hobby than GW does with 12 months of WD "content".

Seriously, GW should pay Dakka money.

Yep, lots of GW rage on Dakka. Kinda funny.

And lot's of GW Apologists as well. Kind of funny as well.

Case in point.

Funny man you are.

Pacific wrote:

dazblackhawk wrote:Not since Paul "fat bloke" Sawyer was editor have i got one(still bought a couple of copies when Black Reach was released,the one with the free minis!!!yeah FREE minis) but still read each issue in the local book store for 20 mins then going 'nah not this month thanks.

Agree totally, that time and the time prior to it were the 'golden age' of the magazine.

The problem is now GW just aren't spending money on the magazine. To have journalism in any form you have to pay journalists, and that costs money. Personally, I wish GW would give control of the magazine to Black Library or something, as it stands it's not really a magazine at all, and is just an advertising catalogue.

I think this hits closest to the mark. The other problem is that most magazines are supported by advertisements, that's why they are less expensive.

Reading a WD issue from 10 years ago and one from today and the difference is astonishing. My wife, who is a casual player (prefers the painting/modeling and lore to the game) read a current issue in about 15 minutes, dumped in on the table in front of me and said "man what a complete piece of crap this is".

Adbusters which is 100% ad free costs only 58$ for 12 issues. It is a nice, glossy magazien with great pictures, art and articles. GW has NO excuse to be charging what they are. its only IMHO because so many will pay the exhorbitant price that they continue to charge what they do for a catalogue.

3 10's, 1 9 and 8 8's!

C'mon then - who are you people? Are you reading the same 'magazine' as the rest of us?

H.B.M.C. wrote:3 10's, 1 9 and 8 8's!

C'mon then - who are you people? Are you reading the same 'magazine' as the rest of us?

They are probably the same people who said that they only allowed GW minis and bits in their frendly games...

I bet its these 12 gw-employees on dakka


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or just blind fanboys

2/10 garbage.

I used to like it but it's just getting worse. 5/10

I just don't understand the results..........at all...........

Anyways I gave it 2. Compared to what I had in a WD when I started getting it WD 300, it really it is a shiny hunk of rubbish........a crying shame really, it used to be my favourite time of the month!!

I voted 3/10.

In this day and age of the internet and other media sources, most magazines are struggling to survive due to lower sales. Why buy a mag when you can look up the same or similar info online? To offset that, mags tend to sell more advertisement space to make up for the lost revenue so I am very forgiving of mags that have to make that tough call. 2 other non-wargaming magazines I subscribe to have done the same thing over the last few years.

With regards to WD, I would be happier with it if there were more Masterclass/hobby articles, Battle Reports for armies that they were not "staged" for lack of a better term with armies they want to sell or are about to release, and other list-building features.

Just my $0.02.

The thing is, battle reports have always resulted in the new army coming out on top. The only exception I can think of to that is when the 2nd edition Eldar codex came out and they were forced to a draw by Space Wolves. However, this has been taken to the next step by having any new kits/units generally rampaging their way through the enemy army.

Having said that, the biggest beef I have with it is the quality of writing. There is barely a single sentence in the magazine which you feel is written by a human being, and hasn't been checked by a man with leather boots, a perfectly pressed uniform and a large-peaked hat, to make sure it features the word 'finecast'. Also the whole, "Even though I don't normally collect Tomb Kings, the new Sphinx model was so incredible I just had to buy 8 of them."

3 10's, 1 9 and 8 8's!

C'mon then - who are you people? Are you reading the same 'magazine' as the rest of us?

It's either someone very young, who has no memories of WD actually being an eagerly awaited read, or someone being deliberately scurrilous.

Seconding all the poor votes. Everything looked better when I was young, nostalgia, imagination etc. But I clearly remember all the conversion and terrain articles. One battle report stuck in my mind between the winner of a grand tournament (using his winning army) and some employee (using his own army I believe). Nowadays the great majority of the pictures/models/hobby advice features the stock models, done in the same 'standard' colour scheme. Hobby advice always centres around buying X kit and then customizing it, the existence of plastic card or other supplies is not acknowledged. Tactical advice is shallow or nonsensical in the extreme. Battle reports are always between extremely bland studio armies, generally none of the models or commentary reflect anyone's personal experience, just the pre-fab way of doing every stage of the hobby. In addition to that we have the corporate-savvy optimism, constant mentioning of the new projects, and the refusal to mention any products that are produced by other model companies or any supplies that are available outside a GW. It was inevitable though, a magazine owned by the company that produces its subject material was always propaganda, the owners just got savvier as their corporation grew.

Nothing wrong with voting 10, if you really like it, who cares what other people think.

That said, the people that voted that high were probably just drunk or something.

Given that there are (currently) more votes for 10/10 than 9/10, I think it's safe to say that the 10/10 were joke votes.

I personally voted it a 1/10. I would prefer reading White Dwarf over getting kicked in the balls, but not by much.

Its been going downhihll ever since the late 90s, its just a big advert now.

MrMerlin wrote:

Varrick wrote: At the price to content ratio its not worth it. Old White Dwarf issues were full of content but now its just a monthly catalog. If i wanted to read it i would rather spend 30 bucks for gas money to drive to grapevine, skim the magazine for a minute, and then drive back home in the thick of the worst dallas traffic; than buy a subscription.

And anyone that knows me or read my "drive to a good store" rant knows i hate that drive.

why dont you just order your stuff from the internet? There are billions of online-shops out there.

Because it i still not worth the money to buy it online when i can endure 3 hours of painful traffic, 5 minutes skimming the magazine, MAYBE buying something, a quick walk to the walgreens for ibuprofen or something for an upset stomach(depending on how the traffic treated me), and then repeat drive home. The content of the magazine is worth that little to me.

Maybe all the people voting 10 have never read another magazine or maybe they cant read at all. Ever think of that HUH. Lots of pretty pictures....

Seriously though, I started buying white dwarf a long time ago. Long before i got back into 40k. I picked a couple of copies up because they had expansion characters for use with WH Quest. When i started reading it again about 5 years ago it still had legitimate articles. There were a handful of really nice ones referring to tactics with some specific army lists, battle damage and vehicle modifications, special scenarios, urban terrain construction. '

Now, Fail. Ads and more ads. Anyone still buying it is wasting their money IMHO.

1/10

even the battle reports are real reports anymore like they use to be. The glory days are way behind them.

Overpriced Catalog.

It once was decent for the painting articles to improve your painting skills but now days you can get those for free on youtube and white dwarf became a way over priced catalog with too many advertisements.

I can count the last 3 White dwarfs I bought in recent memory. The one with the night spinner rules to have them for my eldar. The two with the Sisters Rules. Only buy it when I have to for rules.

Pacific wrote:The thing is, battle reports have always resulted in the new army coming out on top. The only exception I can think of to that is when the 2nd edition Eldar codex came out and they were forced to a draw by Space Wolves. However, this has been taken to the next step by having any new kits/units generally rampaging their way through the enemy army.

Always is a pretty strong term. More often then not would be a better one- tyranids lost theirs in their last release, I know Dark angels lost one of their s in the release, as did sisters in one. And thats just from memeory.


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I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote: One battle report stuck in my mind between the winner of a grand tournament (using his winning army) and some employee (using his own army I believe).

Who owned a howling griffon army if I remember correctly. Then there was the time of a battle report between two torunment players- one had eldar, the other dark eldar.

Necrons also lose their battle report in the current issue... but kind of win in the daft post battle fluff where Trazyn and Sicarius have a good pow wow over the unconscious body of an Eldar Farseer

Terrible mag now.. haven't bought one in years.

I remember when it had other games in it and actual journalism.

Now as others have said, it's a glorified catalog, and not even a good one.