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im2randomghgh wrote:
Also, you can't reprogram sentient creatures, just because they have metal bodies.

2random said this.

Brother Coa wrote:It happened in New Necron codex. Tomb Msater Control computer took control over non-sentient Necron bodies. Then went to the next tomb world and did it again and again...
it is also stated they did that the same to the living creatures.... Borg of 41'st millennium.

You said this.

Read the bold parts.

Are you getting my point?

I'm honestly not bothered by people who want to stretch (Or, if it's amusing enough, demolish) canon for the sake of their armie's fluff, but acknowledge that from a fluff perspective, what you are suggesting couldn't happen. The Necrons, and their Tomb Worlds, wield technology that would make the God Emperor suffer from a brain aneurysm trying to understand. Random Tech Priest in the fluff can't reprogram Necrons.

riplikash wrote: It is like a roman legionarre coming across a modern military computer and "reprogramming" it.

Exactly! Anyone reprogramming Necrons is ludicrous. Considering that their "programming" IS the necrontyr as in people -sort of-. Not to mention we dont even know how Necron machinery -that which is truly machinery- communicates with each other. I mean what the Tech-priest do pull out his Iphone plug in to the nearest USB port and use the "Reprogram sentient beings" App? i dont think so.

tarnish wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Also, you can't reprogram sentient creatures, just because they have metal bodies.

It happened in New Necron codex. Tomb Msater Control computer took control over non-sentient Necron bodies. Then went to the next tomb world and did it again and again...
it is also stated they did that the same to the living creatures.... Borg of 41'st millennium.

Yes a tomb world did it, though that does not mean that a tech priest with no prior knowledge could do the same. God you're dense...

Either accept that your theory is completely absurd or content yourself with the fact that you don't need the internet's approval to use your fanboy dream for your own steamy bedtime business.

Corrected for grammar/spelling.

Shall I make it politically correct, as well as grammatically correct, or will that which had already been done suffice?


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NL_Cirrus wrote:

riplikash wrote: It is like a roman legionarre coming across a modern military computer and "reprogramming" it.

Exactly! Anyone reprogramming Necrons is ludicrous. Considering that their "programming" IS the necrontyr as in people -sort of-. Not to mention we dont even know how Necron machinery -that which is truly machinery- communicates with each other. I mean what the Tech-priest do pull out his Iphone plug in to the nearest USB port and use the "Reprogram sentient beings" App? i dont think so.

I laughed.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Shall I make it politically correct, as well as grammatically correct, or will that which had already been done suffice?

Thanks for the lesson in basic English, but i think this will do.
If you want a real challenge, try the first post.

tarnish wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Shall I make it politically correct, as well as grammatically correct, or will that which had already been done suffice?

Thanks for the lesson in basic English, but i think this will do.
If you want a real challenge, try the first post.

Correcting the grammar of Anglophones is a lot more fun than it is with foreigners. When it is a native language...it should be done correctly. Especially since I was able to correct it, and I am a francophone.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Correcting the grammar of Anglophones is a lot more fun than it is with foreigners. When it is a native language...it should be done correctly. Especially since I was able to correct it, and I am a francophone.

You do know this is an offence on national level?

Not everyone was born in US, Canada, UK or any other English speaking territory.

Please remember that because you may one day found yourself in the same situation like the rest of us - typing on second language and constantly checking the grammar.

Thanks.

It's Ok Coa, you can buy some Necrons. No need to make up some crazy justification, we won't tell The Emperor.

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Correcting the grammar of Anglophones is a lot more fun than it is with foreigners. When it is a native language...it should be done correctly. Especially since I was able to correct it, and I am a francophone.

You do know this is an offence on national level?

Not everyone was born in US, Canada, UK or any other English speaking territory.

Please remember that because you may one day found yourself in the same situation like the rest of us - typing on second language and constantly checking the grammar.

Thanks.

You do know I was defending you?

And that English is my fourth language?

And that I am currently in the situation you describe?

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

You do know this is an offence on national level?

Not everyone was born in US, Canada, UK or any other English speaking territory.

Please remember that because you may one day found yourself in the same situation like the rest of us - typing on second language and constantly checking the grammar.

Thanks.

You do know I was defending you?

And that English is my fourth language?

And that I am currently in the situation you describe?

true and true... but i can take it. i know my grammar sucks, but im not that bothered to be honest. atleast i try to proofread it before its off...

tarnish wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

You do know this is an offence on national level?

Not everyone was born in US, Canada, UK or any other English speaking territory.

Please remember that because you may one day found yourself in the same situation like the rest of us - typing on second language and constantly checking the grammar.

Thanks.

You do know I was defending you?

And that English is my fourth language?

And that I am currently in the situation you describe?

true and true... but i can take it. i know my grammar sucks, but im not that bothered to be honest. atleast i try to proofread it before its off...

How about a compromise; you at least use caps and I will no longer correct your grammar.

I am sorry then im2randomghgh.

So Coa, are gonna go with your current fluff?

Why not. It is are full of holes, I know. But it is possible to happened.

It is your army and your fluff, but you've seen how people react to that. Also keep in mind all... well most of the feedback were civil, yet in real life most won't. So, if you gonna make a Necron army loyal to the Imperium, I suggest, either change the hacking thing, or make it unexplainable. You can simply go with:
"Necrons in this sector are helping Imperium for unknow reasons. Although higher echelons of Imperium still see them as a threat, for a regular Guardsman in the field, they are an unnerving blessing from the Almighty God-Emperor of Mankind. Still, up to this day, Necrons' intensions are yet to be known.".

I will consider it, thanks.

You should add some Deceiver's influence in this. It would make it more respectful of the 40k lore, I guess.

-that Radical Inquisitor and his Ad-Mech retinue find the tomb world, and eventually find the master command room. They try for days (weeks? months?) to understand the slightest thing to it. Of course, the Inquisitor would like to reprogram the necrons, even though he have no idea it's impossible (for them). [typical Radical behaviour]
-The Deceiver watch this and find it funny. He change himself into some Ad Mech guy and slightly reprogram the necrons (so they can obey to him).
The Inquisitor thinks he control them, but in fact he's the Deceiver's toy.

Buuut I still haven't read the new Necron fluff. Is the Deceiver still alive? and I guess necron lords and such could not be kinda reprogramed, right?

Imo, the Deceiver would be the only guy that could make it real.

answer to the fluff

though here's a question i want to ask you dakkaites (and dakkanauts): would it be possible, that the failures, that disabled all the canoptic droids, wouldn't affect the overlord? ie. he has recieved improved devices and self-sustaining systems, or is this simply stupid?

Crazygit: well, yes its not entirely impossible.

As for the admechs tech being compatible with the necrons, i could certainly see that. Since its possible for one of the necron special chars to "hack" any tank on the field, im guessing that the programming of the necrons can access almost anything, why not have one take on a admech persona by mechanically possessing his body? Would make for a nice concept for an admech army certainly, and make the whole Emperor fanclub a lot more believable.

In the Fall of Damnos, doesn't a marine use a dead Necron's arm to replace his own? Surely that shows some degree of compatible technology. Obviously not to the extent that the Ad Mech could reprogram an entire tomb world...

Lord_Vader wrote:In the Fall of Damnos, doesn't a marine use a dead Necron's arm to replace his own? Surely that shows some degree of compatible technology. Obviously not to the extent that the Ad Mech could reprogram an entire tomb world...

1.) No, you are misinformed. Nothing like that in Fall of Damnos. But I like the idea of a metal leg prostetic phasing out in the heat of battle
2.) Welding a metal construct to a body is not the same level of technology as reprogramming alien minds.

Lord_Vader wrote:In the Fall of Damnos, doesn't a marine use a dead Necron's arm to replace his own? Surely that shows some degree of compatible technology. Obviously not to the extent that the Ad Mech could reprogram an entire tomb world...

Nope....

LunaHound wrote:

here we go, evidence of necrons

If you want imperial 'crons, this might work:

It's said that there are numerous types of Necron tomb worlds, perhaps one can be a more blood thirsty type, with the leader staying where he is through his own martial prowess IE: He has to fight people looking to take his title.

Que in Inquisitor coming in to the dormant Tomb World as it's leaving dormancy. He defeats the Lord in combat, and the necrons see this, the bits about "leader is the one who wins" still being part of their programming/conscious, and they follow the Inquisitor, since he did infact win.

As far as I know, that follows canon decently well, though the Inquisitor would need to keep what he has under wraps.

Brother Coa wrote:Why not. It is are full of holes, I know. But it is possible to happened.

No. It is completely IMPOSSIBLE. Haven't you read the responses? You can't have read anything 40k-related if you think this could have happened.

His other idea are Imperial Daemons

Looking through the various theories and... point blank refusals you might be better served working from another direction rather than "imperials can control Necrons".

Why not have the overlord from a crippled/destroyed tomb world have hacked an ad-mech to control him previously and is using him/the inquisitor to try and steal warriors from sleeping tomb world in the same manner as one of the other Necron special characters (traveller I think?).

So as far as the inquisitor is concerned he has an admech that's hacking Necrons and putting them under his control. And as far as the overlord is concerned he's hacked an admech and its allowing him to travel unhindered through imperial space and raise his own army (and inevitably flay the inquisitor when he's ready).

It lets you keep the concept of Imperial ruled Necrons, but shows more their arrogance than just being "imperials are awesome"

Kroothawk wrote:His other idea are Imperial Daemons

..."BLOOD FOR THE CORPSE GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!!"

I'm doing it.

Pen≥Sword wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:His other idea are Imperial Daemons

..."BLOOD FOR THE CORPSE GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!!"

I'm doing it.

Essentially they would be so anal that they suck everything in and theres no escape. All along reciting the imperial creed and punishing themselves.

Kroothawk wrote:

Lord_Vader wrote:In the Fall of Damnos, doesn't a marine use a dead Necron's arm to replace his own? Surely that shows some degree of compatible technology. Obviously not to the extent that the Ad Mech could reprogram an entire tomb world...

1.) No, you are misinformed. Nothing like that in Fall of Damnos. But I like the idea of a metal leg prostetic phasing out in the heat of battle
2.) Welding a metal construct to a body is not the same level of technology as reprogramming alien minds.

I thought it sounded fishy when I was told that
That's what I was saying, that would be the logical extent to technological compatibility (though not even that is true)

Sorry, but this idea is up there with chaos Grey Knights...just no.

Coolyo put it the best.