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Never thought about that; you're quite right, I hadn't noticed that RA2 was always 'straight-faced'.

Whereas in RA3 we get Ackerson going on about 'apple pie'

I despised the Empire... but I get far too 'into' games, so it was for the fact they were an arrogant nationalistic invading faction Their gameplay was fine, not my cup of tea... but hey, I've always played Soviets.

They were okay until I saw yuriko omega.

Then they weren't so okay anymore.

I dunno, everything else fit in to the army's theme quite well I felt. She.... didn't. It was like jumping from a sort of sci-fi shogun army to a full on stupid anime army. The rocket angels were also close to being this, but at least they had full body armor on and the armor was themed properly all things considered.

Yeah, the schoolgirl outfit was pretty silly. And a psy operative didn't really fit the theme of the empire. Why would a high tech society that uses nano-tech have psy powers that are nowhere present in the rest of their arsenal? It doesn't really fit for me imo.
It made sense in RA2 with the soviets, cause that was going off conspiracy theories of secret Soviet paranormal labs and such, but with the empire? Nah, doesn't work for me.

EDIT: Also, in Yuri's Revenge the the Soviets stop using psy powers, and there is an entire army that has that as its theme instead, so that solves that.

Eh, never really had an issue with Yuriko. She fits in with the army specifically because of the high-tech theme. In fact, she's clearly a product of it: http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_Program

Some might regard the schoolgirl outfit as silly - but let's be real here, so were the mechas. And whilst the designers giving her this skimpy dress is obviously serving a cliché, it actually remains more plausible than, say, the uniform of Dasha Fedorovich. After all, Yuriko is a student (of sorts), a lot of Japanese girls do run around in this sort of clothing IRL (which does count as a uniform, too, even if your cultural hemisphere is not used to it), the harmless-looking civilian attire might lead an enemy to underestimate her until she unleashes her powers, and national propaganda might even try to stylize her into some sort of idol for the people.

Interestingly, her sister was apparently supposed to wear some sort of armoured carapace instead of Yuriko's civilian outfit, though.

Lynata wrote:Eh, never really had an issue with Yuriko. She fits in with the army specifically because of the high-tech theme.

That's exactly why she doesn't fit in. There's nothing hi-tech about her.

Consider this.
Imagine the Tau. Look at their highly scientific, hi-tech gear and their battlesuits, that are all practical, material and mechanical.

Now imagine if there was suddenly a Tau psyker running around in a loincloth.

Do you see my problem now?

Melissia wrote:That's exactly why she doesn't fit in. There's nothing hi-tech about her.

I guess it's a matter of expectations, then. For me, being the result of a scientific program (which also yielded a psionic superweapon) qualifies as being a symbol of said science.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Now imagine if there was suddenly a Tau psyker running around in a loincloth.

A loincloth would appear anachronistic. Yuriko's uniform isn't.
I also don't think that an Ethereal possessing psychic powers would really appear that weird even when compared to armoured Fire Warriors.

Kind of the point of the empire was that they where at conflict with themselves. Both advanced and primitive at the same time. Yuriko didn't fit because she was all advanced. (Same deal with the rocket women.)

nomotog wrote:Yuriko didn't fit because she was all advanced.

Except for - ironically, given that this is something she is being criticized for - her school uniform. Japan has introduced them in the 19th century already, and as such they remain a vestige of pre-WW2 Imperial Japanese culture. Much unlike in many European and US countries where they have been abolished in favour of unregulated freedom of choice.

It's also clear to me that whilst Empire vehicles are all about mecha, Yuriko is pretty much a female Akira.

Lynata wrote:

nomotog wrote:Yuriko didn't fit because she was all advanced.

Except for - ironically, given that this is something she is being criticized for - her school uniform. Japan has introduced them in the 19th century already, and as such they remain a vestige of pre-WW2 Imperial Japanese culture. Much unlike in many European and US countries where they have been abolished in favour of unregulated freedom of choice.

It's also clear to me that whilst Empire vehicles are all about mecha, Yuriko is pretty much a female Akira.

1921 and they where modeled after British navy uniforms. Explains why it would look out of place next to armor styled after 12th century samurai armor. Yuriko dose look in place next to the imperial engineer though because they both come from the same place. The big mega comps.

Heh, indeed, I didn't even recall that.

http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_engineer

Fits perfectly to Yuriko's outfit.

And yeah, if you look at it that way both the Engineer as well as Yuriko are all about "advanced" - just like the Rocket Angels, it seems. The conflict mentioned earlier is even hinted at in the engineer's article as well as the one of the Women Warfare Academy.

All in all, the Empire reminds me a little of Battletech/Mechwarrior. Been reading a lot about House Kurita / the DCMS lately.

It reminds me a lot more of gundam shenanigens.

Ya the conflict between the new and the old and how they union the two. That is one of the reasons why I liked the empire.

Lynata wrote:

Melissia wrote:That's exactly why she doesn't fit in. There's nothing hi-tech about her.

I guess it's a matter of expectations, then. For me, being the result of a scientific program (which also yielded a psionic superweapon) qualifies as being a symbol of said science.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Now imagine if there was suddenly a Tau psyker running around in a loincloth.

A loincloth would appear anachronistic. Yuriko's uniform isn't..

It's more anachronistic than psychic peace-loving dolphin-gods whom rule the universe would be to 40k.

RA3 didn't fit in with the franchise. RA1 and RA2 were about parodying the various types of cold war/terrorism and so forth. RA3 just ended up being anime and *future weapons* with conspiracy theories thrown in the mix. If I wanted anime, I'd play final fantasy, or the 200 games with anime robots in them.

CNC3 was a disappointment to me, because EA didn't continue the tiberium evolution, where was the flora and fauna evident in CNC tiberium sun? Vein hole monsters, viceroids and so forth were really flourishing, and required tactics. where was the mutations of the civilians, and the people dying cause of tiberian.

And CNC4, less said about that the better. That was an embarassment to the CNC franchise. EA turned it into a cross between Halo Wars and Warlords 2. It was too different from the rest of the CNC franchise. EA said that GDI and NOD scrapped walker technology after Tiberium sun (intel in CNC3), and the levelling system just reeked of staleness.

Doctadeth wrote:RA3 didn't fit in with the franchise. RA1 and RA2 were about parodying the various types of cold war/terrorism and so forth. RA3 just ended up being anime and *future weapons* with conspiracy theories thrown in the mix. If I wanted anime, I'd play final fantasy, or the 200 games with anime robots in them.

CNC3 was a disappointment to me, because EA didn't continue the tiberium evolution, where was the flora and fauna evident in CNC tiberium sun? Vein hole monsters, viceroids and so forth were really flourishing, and required tactics. where was the mutations of the civilians, and the people dying cause of tiberian.

And CNC4, less said about that the better. That was an embarassment to the CNC franchise. EA turned it into a cross between Halo Wars and Warlords 2. It was too different from the rest of the CNC franchise. EA said that GDI and NOD scrapped walker technology after Tiberium sun (intel in CNC3), and the levelling system just reeked of staleness.

I agree with the points on RA3 and CnC4. I think the absence of veinholes in CnC3 were explained though, and I am sure that infantry can still turn into viceroids. But yeah, it does suck that there's no tiberium flora/fauna. However, CnC3 is still much better (and faithful to its franchise) than RA3 and CnC4.

Doctadeth wrote:RA3 didn't fit in with the franchise. RA1 and RA2 were about parodying the various types of cold war/terrorism and so forth.

Eh, whilst I agree about RA1, RA3 only continued what RA2 has started. You couldn't really take that one serious either. Basically, RA3 was more "over the top" than RA2, but that doesn't mean the latter wasn't so already.

For me, the biggest detractions I'll throw at RA3 concern the marketing...

Oh and the ridiculous uniforms for the 'babes'.


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Good ol' Lieutenant Sofia wasn't flashing her boobs or legs at you and still established plenty of tension

Oh my, just typing that makes me feel like a sad, lonely little man...

I find it hard to tell the what the difference between RA2 and RA3 is. I mean I can see the physical changes and I know there is a change in style and feel, but it's rather hard for me to pin down what feels different.

You know every time someone mentions it I reinstall it. I am playing through RA2 now. I'm also playing C&C renegade. Lovely game that I would never buy not in a million years.

Confirmed. EA has resumed its interest in C&C Brand.
the Caneghem's C&C series will kick off in 2013.
and yes it's C&C: Generals 2.

http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Generals_2

Factions
EU = replaces the USA (returning of the Isolationism?)
Eastern Asian Union (?) = Further evolved China. now including other members as well
GLA = The only faction that remains the same. and EA still wants them to be villain (personally i'd prefer them to be reconfigured as Freedom Fighters like libyan rebels who overthrew the dreaded Kingpin Gaddhafi)

another footage seems to reveal that the construction methodology will be of the classic C&C. look at a 'fort' that has concrete barrier. a very thick one! hopefully it should be.

http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberium_Alliances
Another project. C&C: Tiberium Alliances.
well basically it is 'Tiberian Evony' / 'Tivony'. dunno if EA hired chinese crew to do this project? (as Evony, and Napwar. are chinese-based browser game)... the setting is to 'bridge' the gap of the forgotten warlord era that lies between Tiberian Sun (after FIRESTORM) and the C&C3. it is clearly that player is a warlord belonged to one of the three factions available in game (GDI, nod, and the Forgotten) but it's not clear whether will the alliance can only formed out of the same faction or ones with different factions (Ex. an alliance led by a corrupt GDI commander, crewed by several Nod Princedoms and the Forgotten Warlords, and even more lesser GDI gangsters) but the engagement will be free for all (Rogue GDI commanders fighting other corrupted GDI mobsters very frequent)

Lone Cat wrote:

http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberium_Alliances
Another project. C&C: Tiberium Alliances.
well basically it is 'Tiberian Evony' / 'Tivony'. dunno if EA hired chinese crew to do this project? (as Evony, and Napwar. are chinese-based browser game)... the setting is to 'bridge' the gap of the forgotten warlord era that lies between Tiberian Sun (after FIRESTORM) and the C&C3. it is clearly that player is a warlord belonged to one of the three factions available in game (GDI, nod, and the Forgotten) but it's not clear whether will the alliance can only formed out of the same faction or ones with different factions (Ex. an alliance led by a corrupt GDI commander, crewed by several Nod Princedoms and the Forgotten Warlords, and even more lesser GDI gangsters) but the engagement will be free for all (Rogue GDI commanders fighting other corrupted GDI mobsters very frequent)

That sounds...terrible. I want a proper C&C game, not some browser crap.

Frostbite 2 for Generals 2?

Oh, yes..

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:

http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberium_Alliances
Another project. C&C: Tiberium Alliances.
well basically it is 'Tiberian Evony' / 'Tivony'. dunno if EA hired chinese crew to do this project? (as Evony, and Napwar. are chinese-based browser game)... the setting is to 'bridge' the gap of the forgotten warlord era that lies between Tiberian Sun (after FIRESTORM) and the C&C3. it is clearly that player is a warlord belonged to one of the three factions available in game (GDI, nod, and the Forgotten) but it's not clear whether will the alliance can only formed out of the same faction or ones with different factions (Ex. an alliance led by a corrupt GDI commander, crewed by several Nod Princedoms and the Forgotten Warlords, and even more lesser GDI gangsters) but the engagement will be free for all (Rogue GDI commanders fighting other corrupted GDI mobsters very frequent)

That sounds...terrible. I want a proper C&C game, not some browser crap.

edit: the FORGOTTEN will be NEUTRAL faction and you must fight 'em no matter who you are.
the footage also confirmed that GDI corrupted commanders will fight each other. pretty much the same way Nod princes fight for their turfs

almost EVERYTHING comes from C&C3. only a handful of buildings are from Tiberian Sun
=^.^=

Henners91 wrote:Frostbite 2 for Generals 2?

Oh, yes..

Yep, just read that in my magazine as well. Sounds shiny doesn't it?

I'm on mobile right now so I can't post the link for it but the 30 second teaser for Generals 2 got my hopes way up.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/vga-2011-command/724611

Enjoy

Lone Cat wrote:Eastern Asian Union (?) = Further evolved China. now including other members as well

Oh come on. Why not just "China"?

Trailer looked amazing, though. But I'm not too fond of the futuretech in there. "Generals" was supposed to be modern warfare a la +5 years from now, not C&C1 without Tiberium.

Yes I am missing the old helicopters.

Lynata wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:Eastern Asian Union (?) = Further evolved China. now including other members as well

Oh come on. Why not just "China"?

Why not just call the European Union "Germany"?

Melissia wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:Eastern Asian Union (?) = Further evolved China. now including other members as well

Oh come on. Why not just "China"?

Why not just call the European Union "Germany"?

Because Germany's ratio of population/GDP to the rest of Europe is small compared to China's dominance of South East Asia. Germany has about 15% of the population of the EU and about 20% of its GDP, China has, what, 95% of the population/GDP of East Asia(excluding Japan).
On topic though, I'm waiting the game that lets us play as Tanya. Blowing up battleships and wasting dozens of Soviets, then gaking your pants whenever you see a tesla coil.

Melissia wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:Eastern Asian Union (?) = Further evolved China. now including other members as well

Oh come on. Why not just "China"?

Why not just call the European Union "Germany"?

lol

... and have the UK missing?

In all seriousness, I do hope they at least keep the Chinese faction's music style. Loved every piece of it in the first C&C Generals. And maybe the red star, too?

Joey wrote:Because Germany's ratio of population/GDP to the rest of Europe is small compared to China's dominance of South East Asia.

I'm assuming it was meant as a political joke regarding Germany's current influence in EU politics, at least as perceived by the media.

Joey wrote:On topic though, I'm waiting the game that lets us play as Tanya. Blowing up battleships and wasting dozens of Soviets, then gaking your pants whenever you see a tesla coil.

Hmm, didn't they try that with Renegade? Okay, it wasn't Tanya, but pretty much the same principle.

That being said, the way you describe it, such a game does sound pretty awesome. Like a wild mix of Tomb Raider, Duke Nukem and Half Life.
Battleships and Soviets > some desert wasteland and HazMat-suit zombies.