Do CIA have the power to arrest ???

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**Rented Tritium**

Albatross wrote:I feel that it's worth pointing out that my job required me to effect citizen's arrests, as this is the only way to legally detain a shoplifting suspect in the UK. I had a radio to signal backup, plus CCTV was being monitored in real-time instore in the event of my radio going down.

I should also add (for the humourless) that I didn't really take nana to the pavement. I gently took her by the arm and said 'come on love, I'm taking you to the managers office. You're suspected of shoplifting.'

Yep, it's a jungle out there. In the wealthy suburbs.

If your job is not a police department and they are requiring you to make arrests, something has gone horribly wrong with the system over there.

**FabricatorGeneralMike**

Sturmtruppen wrote:Okay, I'll just answer the damn question if nobody else can.

The CIA is an intelligence agency. Its job is to detect threats to the US from abroad. It does this by sending agents out to spy in foreign countries. Spy as in uphold a cover. If you're a spy and you see a crime going on in the country you're currently spying in, best stay the feth out of it if you don't want a certain government of that country to know you're spying there. Doing a citizens arrest means you need to identify yourself to the police, and your cover could be blown. However, in regards to the CIA arresting people and extraordinary renditioning them, you've got Special Activities Division, their paramilitary wing which performs black ops, i.e. going to other countries and doing naughty things which could implicate your country as breaking certain treaties and international laws if anyone found out.

Wow, that was answered ages ago, we are now speculaiting weather or not little old ladys in England carry guns or shanks and what part of town would this happen in. You new around these parts??

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**Monster Rain**

Frazzled wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:Why would the Culinary Institute of America want to arrest anyone?

Publicly stating that Applebees is quality cuisine?

Meh. After enough cheap beers at Happy Hour I'll eat pretty much anything.

**Albatross**

Rented Tritium wrote:
Albatross wrote:I feel that it's worth pointing out that my job required me to effect citizen's arrests, as this is the only way to legally detain a shoplifting suspect in the UK. I had a radio to signal backup, plus CCTV was being monitored in real-time instore in the event of my radio going down.

I should also add (for the humourless) that I didn't really take nana to the pavement. I gently took her by the arm and said 'come on love, I'm taking you to the managers office. You're suspected of shoplifting.'

Yep, it's a jungle out there. In the wealthy suburbs.

If your job is not a police department and they are requiring you to make arrests, something has gone horribly wrong with the system over there.

How do they detain shoplifters in the US? At gunpoint?

**Sonophos**

Albatross wrote:I feel that it's worth pointing out that my job required me to effect citizen's arrests, as this is the only way to legally detain a shoplifting suspect in the UK. I had a radio to signal backup, plus CCTV was being monitored in real-time instore in the event of my radio going down.

I should also add (for the humourless) that I didn't really take nana to the pavement. I gently took her by the arm and said 'come on love, I'm taking you to the managers office. You're suspected of shoplifting.'

Yep, it's a jungle out there. In the wealthy suburbs.

<tongue in cheek>Manchester has wealthy suburbs these days?! Wow, it's amazing what 10 years of NEW labour government can do.</tongue incheek> Shame about all the borrowing and overspending.

Anyhoo back to the point. Shoplifters in the UK are generally speaking fairly polite about getting caught if a bit gobby. They don't stab you as a general rule. Most of the ones I caught in my unfortunately long retail career were more along the lines of "it's a fair cop guv you got me bang to rights". One guy was banned from our store so we would take his shopping list and money then deliver the shopping and change at the exit because he was otherwise a nice chap just a bit of a tealeaf.

**Albatross**

Sonophos wrote:
Albatross wrote:I feel that it's worth pointing out that my job required me to effect citizen's arrests, as this is the only way to legally detain a shoplifting suspect in the UK. I had a radio to signal backup, plus CCTV was being monitored in real-time instore in the event of my radio going down.

I should also add (for the humourless) that I didn't really take nana to the pavement. I gently took her by the arm and said 'come on love, I'm taking you to the managers office. You're suspected of shoplifting.'

Yep, it's a jungle out there. In the wealthy suburbs.

<tongue in cheek>Manchester has wealthy suburbs these days?! Wow, it's amazing what 10 years of NEW labour government can do.</tongue incheek>

Ha, yeah....

To be fair, I live pretty much as north of Manchester as one can get whilst still technically residing in the city. It is a nice area, though.

**Rented Tritium**

Albatross wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:
Albatross wrote:I feel that it's worth pointing out that my job required me to effect citizen's arrests, as this is the only way to legally detain a shoplifting suspect in the UK. I had a radio to signal backup, plus CCTV was being monitored in real-time instore in the event of my radio going down.

I should also add (for the humourless) that I didn't really take nana to the pavement. I gently took her by the arm and said 'come on love, I'm taking you to the managers office. You're suspected of shoplifting.'

Yep, it's a jungle out there. In the wealthy suburbs.

If your job is not a police department and they are requiring you to make arrests, something has gone horribly wrong with the system over there.

How do they detain shoplifters in the US? At gunpoint?

99% of the time, they ask the person to go with them to the security room. If they decide to run, they get a plate number and call the real police. Nobody shoplifts enough value to be worth risking employee's lives and taking on huge liability like that.

You do get the odd time when someone gets physically detained, but it's honestly pretty rare that security ever goes above verbal commands. Security guards here are basically just trained witnesses with a command presence. There's nothing legally stopping them from making citizen's arrests, but it's a horrible idea and they're mostly told explicitly not to do it.

**Albatross**

It varies from company to company here. Some have similar policies to the one you describe, others require you to nick the offender. Don't forget that we have less expectation of being killed in a supermarket here than you folks seem to have. Culture counts in this instance. It's pretty chauvinistic to expect everyone to think like Americans, or for American attitudes to prevail everywhere, even in countries that are culturally similar.

We don't live in mortal fear of each other. That's just the way it is.

**Rented Tritium**

Just because we're more cautious about putting our employees in danger doesn't mean we have an "expectation of being killed in a supermarket"

There are nice safe parts of the country where they still do it that way. Safe is good.

Besides, you still have knives and big guys over there. Just because you've got guns under control doesn't mean things are automatically safer. I'm sure there are parts of your country that you would rather do things our way in.

I've seen guy richie movies, I know how things are there

**Sonophos**

Rented Tritium wrote:Just because we're more cautious about putting our employees in danger doesn't mean we have an "expectation of being killed in a supermarket"

There are nice safe parts of the country where they still do it that way. Safe is good.

Besides, you still have knives and big guys over there. Just because you've got guns under control doesn't mean things are automatically safer. I'm sure there are parts of your country that you would rather do things our way in.

I've seen guy richie movies, I know how things are there

Ummm... yes it does. A knife is a blade of short to medium length. A gun fires a projectile at supersonic speed great distances. Personally I think even innocent bystanders are safer when there are no guns involved in everyday life.

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Guy Richie is a highly trained stunt cockney put in place to scare the crap out of Americans. Honestly we'd rather have a cup of tea and a nice biscuit.

**Albatross**

Rented Tritium wrote:Just because we're more cautious about putting our employees in danger doesn't mean we have an "expectation of being killed in a supermarket"

But didn't you say this?:

Nobody shoplifts enough value to be worth risking employee's lives and taking on huge liability like that.

That would imply a certain expectation of one's life being at risk, no? A greater expectation than perhaps we have?

Besides, you still have knives and big guys over there.

I know, I'm one of them!

Just because you've got guns under control doesn't mean things are automatically safer. I'm sure there are parts of your country that you would rather do things our way in.

No, of course there is violence here, that's not in question. Yes, statistically perhaps I'm less likely to be murdered than you are, but the UK is still a pretty violent place. We just don't seem to live in fear of each other as much here. That's the message I'm getting. Our American cousins seem to be way more paranoid about each other than we are. Just my perception.

I've seen guy richie movies, I know how things are there

Terrible Irish accents and people saying 'fack' a lot? Yeah, it's just like that.

**Easy E**

Most in the US, we aren't afraid of being killed in a supermarket; we are afraid of being sued back into the stone age and tied up in legal red tape. Hence, the caution by everyone involved.

Security Guards are simply there to deter people who aren;t really that committed to shoplift. It reduces the opportunity theft. They aren;t there to physically detain or arrest anyone, just look like shoplifters will get caught.

**Frazzled**

Easy E wrote:Most in the US, we aren't afraid of being killed in a supermarket; we are afraid of being sued back into the stone age and tied up in legal red tape. Hence, the caution by everyone involved.

Security Guards are simply there to deter people who aren;t really that committed to shoplift. It reduces the opportunity theft. They aren;t there to physically detain or arrest anyone, just look like shoplifters will get caught.

Depends what you mean by security guards.

-There is store security who's job is to catch shoplifters, you betcha they will physically detain you.
-There are armed guards at banks, jewelry stores, etc. Much less common, but they have guns.
-There are armed guards at other locations. Walmarts in more interesting neighborhoods used to hire local police. They would not chase you down because, well they were sheriffs, but they certainly would shoot you someone if within the law.

**AustonT**

There are even armed security response teams that go where even the cops are afraid to go.
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**Frazzled**

rent a cops with delusions of grandeur. Epic!