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Not citizens and inside the U.S.

What about overseas ?

I don't think they themselves can arrest people in other countries, but they can certainly alert the Police forces of those countries, and request that they be arrested and held for crimes committed in the USA, as well as any committed in the country they are in.

So no, you cannot come and live in my cellar, you'll just have to wipe all the illegally downloaded porn films off your computer and then burn it.

No I meant not citizens arrest... And in the U.S.

So if they were walking on the street and saw a crime could they arrest a person?

I'm not familiar with it, but given the type of organisation they are it is pretty likely they can.

Overseas though they wouldn't, if they ever did they'd co-operate with people capable of. Otherwise they'd just pretty much be fancy security guards.

No.
From the FBI.
How does the FBI differ from the Central Intelligence Agency?

The CIA and FBI are both members of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The CIA, however, has no law enforcement function. Rather, it collects and analyzes information that is vital to the formation of U.S. policy, particularly in areas that impact the security of the nation. The CIA collects information only regarding foreign countries and their citizens. Unlike the FBI, it is prohibited from collecting information regarding “U.S. Persons,” a term that includes U.S. citizens, resident aliens, legal immigrants, and U.S. corporations, regardless of where they are located.

The CIA is officially non-military, but also doesn't count as law enforcement either. They are not sworn LEO, so unless there is some special circumstance, they won't be able to.

usmcmidn wrote:No I meant not citizens arrest... And in the U.S.

So if they were walking on the street and saw a crime could they arrest a person?

Just like you and I, they can do anything they want as long as the other person doesn't know any different. But from a legal point of view, they do not have arresting powers anywhere in the world.

Can they not affect a citizen's arrest?

filbert wrote:Can they not affect a citizen's arrest?

As individual people, yes, but not as "the CIA". If the agency ordered employees to make citizen's arrests, that would be a blatant violation of their legal prohibition of law enforcement activity. If it just happened by chance and not as part of a mission, that would probably be fine.

Any citizen may affect a citizen's arrest but you should be aware that this is a very limited power in most countries. If you try to detain another member of the public for a percieved crime you may leave yourself open to prosecution.

The fact that they are an agent of the CIA would make no difference as they are effectively pen pushers for the most part.

It would be like a traffic warden or a lollipop lady trying to arrest you.

The CIA has no power to arrest so in this matter they are private citizens when in the U.S. and foreign citizens when outside it.

AustonT wrote:No.
From the FBI.
How does the FBI differ from the Central Intelligence Agency?

The CIA and FBI are both members of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The CIA, however, has no law enforcement function. Rather, it collects and analyzes information that is vital to the formation of U.S. policy, particularly in areas that impact the security of the nation. The CIA collects information only regarding foreign countries and their citizens. Unlike the FBI, it is prohibited from collecting information regarding “U.S. Persons,” a term that includes U.S. citizens, resident aliens, legal immigrants, and U.S. corporations, regardless of where they are located.

I wasn't going to believe you but then you used a larger type than usual which gave the statement credibility and loudness.

Can they not affect a citizen's arrest?

In as much as anyone can.

Yeah, since they aren't sworn LEO, they are basically ordinary government employees when they are just out on the street.

Ahtman wrote:

AustonT wrote:No.
From the FBI.
How does the FBI differ from the Central Intelligence Agency?

The CIA and FBI are both members of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The CIA, however, has no law enforcement function. Rather, it collects and analyzes information that is vital to the formation of U.S. policy, particularly in areas that impact the security of the nation. The CIA collects information only regarding foreign countries and their citizens. Unlike the FBI, it is prohibited from collecting information regarding “U.S. Persons,” a term that includes U.S. citizens, resident aliens, legal immigrants, and U.S. corporations, regardless of where they are located.

I wasn't going to believe you but then you used a larger type than usual which gave the statement credibility and loudness.

Can they not affect a citizen's arrest?

In as much as anyone can.

I didnt feel like being subtle this morning

The CIA is not allowed to operate on american soil. They are not allowed to enforce anything, they can not run operations in country. The FBI was set up to be a federal law enforcement agency, they also got counter-terrorism rolled into there line of work also.


Does the CIA break the rules, of course they do they are just good at covering their tracks.

Check out the wiki on them, it's rather informitive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency , just remember it's a wiki take it with a grain of salt and do your own research. =o]

I made a citizen's arrest once. To be fair, the bitch had it coming - you may be a pensioner, but that doesn't mean you get to steal from Tesco. Not on my watch.


This story is actually true.

Albatross wrote:I made a citizen's arrest once. To be fair, the bitch had it coming - you may be a pensioner, but that doesn't mean you get to steal from Tesco. Not on my watch.


This story is actually true.

I just have an image of you smashing a granny in the face with a guitar and then kicking her until the Fuzz turned up thanked you and took her away...

purplefood wrote:

Albatross wrote:I made a citizen's arrest once. To be fair, the bitch had it coming - you may be a pensioner, but that doesn't mean you get to steal from Tesco. Not on my watch.


This story is actually true.

I just have an image of you smashing a granny in the face with a guitar and then kicking her until the Fuzz turned up thanked you and took her away...

Nah, just the standard arm-bar takedown, I'm not a total animal! I was working as a security guard. A drunken oaf of a security guard.

Rather, it collects and analyzes information that is vital to the formation of U.S. policy, particularly in areas that impact the security of the nation.

I like how this summary leaves out SAD.

Arresting is for amateurs. Real pros rendition you to other countries.

I thaught that the Dept of Homeland Security was created so that the spooks could work on US soil with at least a vaneer of legitimacy.

Sonophos wrote:I thaught that the Dept of Homeland Security was created so that the spooks could work on US soil with at least a vaneer of legitimacy.

DHS just merged all the agencies, numbering in the hundreds I believe, that were ALREADY working on US soil. None of them were CIA, the CIA requires the help of home agencies to pursue intelligence on US Citizens both home and abroad. The backdoor they normally take is the NSA.

Albatross wrote:I made a citizen's arrest once. To be fair, the bitch had it coming - you may be a pensioner, but that doesn't mean you get to steal from Tesco. Not on my watch.


This story is actually true.

I need bolded or enlarged text to actually suspend disbelief.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Albatross wrote:I made a citizen's arrest once. To be fair, the BITCH had it coming - you may be a pensioner, but that doesn't mean you get to steal from Tesco. NOT ON MY WATCH!


This story is actually true!!!

I need bolded or enlarged text to actually suspend disbelief.

How about now?

Avatar 720 wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Albatross wrote:I made a citizen's arrest once. To be fair, the BITCH had it coming - you may be a pensioner, but that doesn't mean you get to steal from Tesco. NOT ON MY WATCH!


This story is actually true!!!

I need bolded or enlarged text to actually suspend disbelief.

How about now?

Much better smart asses

Citizen's arrests are reckless. You have no radio, no backup on the way, no way to know if they've got a buddy with a gun around the corner.

I've talked to cops about it and they won't even act if they're out of uniform or out of town. They all just comply and become the best, most calm witness ever unless someone is in active danger right there.

Rented Tritium wrote:Citizen's arrests are reckless. You have no radio, no backup on the way, no way to know if they've got a buddy with a gun around the corner.

I've talked to cops about it and they won't even act if they're out of uniform or out of town. They all just comply and become the best, most calm witness ever unless someone is in active danger right there.

Citizen's arrests also, as noted, lead to great chances of liability as you're effectively committing a crime of unlawful detention up to kidnapping.

In Texas that means I can and will blow your ass to hell. just saying.

EDIT: I should note, I had this attempted on me in California once. It did not go well for them.

Frazzled wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:Citizen's arrests are reckless. You have no radio, no backup on the way, no way to know if they've got a buddy with a gun around the corner.

I've talked to cops about it and they won't even act if they're out of uniform or out of town. They all just comply and become the best, most calm witness ever unless someone is in active danger right there.

Citizen's arrests also, as noted, lead to great chances of liability as you're effectively committing a crime of unlawful detention up to kidnapping.

In Texas that means I can will blow your ass to hell. just saying.

Yeah, you have NO release from liability. A cop can act in good faith and be ok when they're wrong. A citizen has GOT to be right when they do stuff like that. States with strong self-defense statutes make it dangerous to act like a cop without being one.

Agreed RT.

The question wasn't whether it was a good idea to perform a citizens arrest, but if someone in the CIA is allowed to do it.

Ahtman wrote:The question wasn't whether it was a good idea to perform a citizens arrest, but if someone in the CIA is allowed to do it.

Don't go trying to steer the topic back to topic (although that wasn't the OT by the way). This is the OT!