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Ahtman wrote:The question wasn't whether it was a good idea to perform a citizens arrest, but if someone in the CIA is allowed to do it.
Don't go trying to steer the topic back to topic (although that wasn't the OT by the way). This is the OT!
Indeed, but I was referring to why citizens arrest even came up in the first place.
I think we now have to regale each other with times we've utilized grappling techniques to invoke citizen's arrests on grandmas at gas stations...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I have done what may be considered a citizens arrest before.
Me and my brother were at a park to do some photography where a lady in a convertible was driving around near the lake, had to have jumped the curb to get there. Looked like she was going to drive into the lake or something.
She looked like she was heading back to the street and we yelled towards her to see if she was okay and she was totally spaced out. She ended up turning the car back around and drove towards the water again.
I was calling 911 to let them know, turns out they were all at a different part of the lake where this crazy women was driving around earlier. While I was talking to dispatch my brother was taking pictures of her driving, the car, license plate, etc in case she got away. She came close to me again and I was able to stand on the passenger site to talk to her and attempt to keep her there until the cops got there. As soon as she saw flashing lights she was trying to put the car back into drive to get away from the cops, at which point I leaned towards the steering wheel and pulled her keys out and stuck them in my pocket.
I was still on the phone with 911, told them what I did, and she was unable to leave until the cops showed up and took her into custody. I didn't touch her, but I did take her keys and kept her from leaving. Not sure if that would count as a citizens arrest or not.
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Rented Tritium wrote:OT, in MY OT?
It's more likely than you think!
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Albatross wrote:I made a citizen's arrest once. To be fair, the bitch had it coming - you may be a pensioner, but that doesn't mean you get to steal from Tesco. Not on my watch.
This story is actually true.
I just have an image of you smashing a granny in the face with a guitar and then kicking her until the Fuzz turned up thanked you and took her away...
Nah, just the standard arm-bar takedown, I'm not a total animal! I was working as a security guard. A drunken oaf of a security guard.
Rented Tritium wrote:Citizen's arrests are reckless. You have no radio, no backup on the way, no way to know if they've got a buddy with a gun around the corner.
I've talked to cops about it and they won't even act if they're out of uniform or out of town. They all just comply and become the best, most calm witness ever unless someone is in active danger right there.
Albatross was in Manchester not Salford it is unlikely that the pensioner was packing heat.
More have died in the name of normality than ever for strangeness. Beware of normal people.
He who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes; He who does not is a fool forever. (Confucius).
Sonophos wrote:
Albatross was in Manchester not Salford it is unlikely that the pensioner was packing heat.
That's an assessment that he wasn't qualified to make. Assumptions get you killed and your eyewitness information dies with you. You could make it LESS likely that the person gets caught. You could taint evidence. You could ruin everything. Just clam up, memorize plate numbers and be the best witness you can be.
Sonophos wrote:
Albatross was in Manchester not Salford it is unlikely that the pensioner was packing heat.
That's an assessment that he wasn't qualified to make. Assumptions get you killed and your eyewitness information dies with you. You could make it LESS likely that the person gets caught. You could taint evidence. You could ruin everything. Just clam up, memorize plate numbers and be the best witness you can be.
I get to trot out this gem again.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Sonophos wrote:
Albatross was in Manchester not Salford it is unlikely that the pensioner was packing heat.
That's an assessment that he wasn't qualified to make. Assumptions get you killed and your eyewitness information dies with you. You could make it LESS likely that the person gets caught. You could taint evidence. You could ruin everything. Just clam up, memorize plate numbers and be the best witness you can be.
Where do I start?
Here in the UK there are five types of people that carry guns:
Morons who think dey is gangsta.
Farmers (Who only have shotguns and small bore rifles)
Gun club members (Rifles)
Rich people (who like herding animals into the line of a shotgun barrage and call it sport).
Qualified coppers
As a rule no-one has a gun on the street unless you are in a VERY dodgy place.
More have died in the name of normality than ever for strangeness. Beware of normal people.
He who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes; He who does not is a fool forever. (Confucius).
Sonophos wrote:
Albatross was in Manchester not Salford it is unlikely that the pensioner was packing heat.
That's an assessment that he wasn't qualified to make. Assumptions get you killed and your eyewitness information dies with you. You could make it LESS likely that the person gets caught. You could taint evidence. You could ruin everything. Just clam up, memorize plate numbers and be the best witness you can be.
Where do I start?
Here in the UK there are five types of people that carry guns:
Morons who think dey is gangsta.
Farmers (Who only have shotguns and small bore rifles)
Gun club members (Rifles)
Rich people (who like herding animals into the line of a shotgun barrage and call it sport).
Qualified coppers
As a rule no-one has a gun on the street unless you are in a VERY dodgy place.
This has zero to do with the point that I'm making. Playing hero is not safer because there are not as many guns there. You are kidding yourself if you think it is.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Sono, just replace gun with knife in my original post and it's still 100% true. You still do not want to play hero because you don't know the whole situation and you are not equipped to deal with anything out of the ordinary. You do not have backup on the way, you do not have more force to dial up to when things go bad.
Either you're just arguing for the sake of arguing or you think my advice was America specific and you think GB is a magical safe place where nobody ever commits violent crime.
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Rented Tritium wrote:Sono, just replace gun with knife in my original post and it's still 100% true. You still do not want to play hero because you don't know the whole situation and you are not equipped to deal with anything out of the ordinary. You do not have backup on the way, you do not have more force to dial up to when things go bad.
Either you're just arguing for the sake of arguing or you think my advice was America specific and you think GB is a magical safe place where nobody ever commits violent crime.
Oh no we have fight night in most towns. Violence is arguably more common in Britain because of the lack of guns but it doesn't appear to go to extremes as often. (I haven't spent much time in the US so you might want to ask Matty for a comparison)
It is safer here to make an arrest as you can usually spot the ones that carry knives. The idea of a pensioner pulling out a shank on a security guard is the stuff of comedy.
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More have died in the name of normality than ever for strangeness. Beware of normal people.
He who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes; He who does not is a fool forever. (Confucius).
Rented Tritium wrote:Sono, just replace gun with knife in my original post and it's still 100% true. You still do not want to play hero because you don't know the whole situation and you are not equipped to deal with anything out of the ordinary. You do not have backup on the way, you do not have more force to dial up to when things go bad.
Either you're just arguing for the sake of arguing or you think my advice was America specific and you think GB is a magical safe place where nobody ever commits violent crime.
Oh no we have fight night in most towns. Violence is arguably more common in Britain because of the lack of guns but it doesn't appear to go to extremes as often. (I haven't spent much time in the US so you might want to ask Matty for a comparison)
It is safer here to make an arrest as you can usually spot the ones that carry knives. The idea of a pensioner pulling out a shank on a security guard is the stuff of comedy.
Well then you're free to be a toughguy and go arrest whoever you want. I'll be avoiding doing that as will every cop I've ever asked about it because I value my safety.
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Rented Tritium wrote:Sono, just replace gun with knife in my original post and it's still 100% true. You still do not want to play hero because you don't know the whole situation and you are not equipped to deal with anything out of the ordinary. You do not have backup on the way, you do not have more force to dial up to when things go bad.
Either you're just arguing for the sake of arguing or you think my advice was America specific and you think GB is a magical safe place where nobody ever commits violent crime.
Oh no we have fight night in most towns. Violence is arguably more common in Britain because of the lack of guns but it doesn't appear to go to extremes as often. (I haven't spent much time in the US so you might want to ask Matty for a comparison)
It is safer here to make an arrest as you can usually spot the ones that carry knives. The idea of a pensioner pulling out a shank on a security guard is the stuff of comedy.
Well then you're free to be a toughguy and go arrest whoever you want. I'll be avoiding doing that as will every cop I've ever asked about it because I value my safety.
I do not have powers of arrest nor do I have a right to detain outside my own home unless a person has committed a serious crime within my sight.
I will come to the defence of others where I can and I have a large shiny broadsword to wave at those who I do not want in my home.
More have died in the name of normality than ever for strangeness. Beware of normal people.
He who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes; He who does not is a fool forever. (Confucius).
Monster Rain wrote:Why would the Culinary Institute of America want to arrest anyone?
Publicly stating that Applebees is quality cuisine?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Rented Tritium wrote:Sono, just replace gun with knife in my original post and it's still 100% true. You still do not want to play hero because you don't know the whole situation and you are not equipped to deal with anything out of the ordinary. You do not have backup on the way, you do not have more force to dial up to when things go bad.
Either you're just arguing for the sake of arguing or you think my advice was America specific and you think GB is a magical safe place where nobody ever commits violent crime.
Oh no we have fight night in most towns. Violence is arguably more common in Britain because of the lack of guns but it doesn't appear to go to extremes as often. (I haven't spent much time in the US so you might want to ask Matty for a comparison)
It is safer here to make an arrest as you can usually spot the ones that carry knives. The idea of a pensioner pulling out a shank on a security guard is the stuff of comedy.
Well then you're free to be a toughguy and go arrest whoever you want. I'll be avoiding doing that as will every cop I've ever asked about it because I value my safety.
If you arrest somebody, you are either a hero, or get stabbed long enough by the villain......or something like that. I might have paraphrased lightly....
Okay, I'll just answer the damn question if nobody else can.
The CIA is an intelligence agency. Its job is to detect threats to the US from abroad. It does this by sending agents out to spy in foreign countries. Spy as in uphold a cover. If you're a spy and you see a crime going on in the country you're currently spying in, best stay the feth out of it if you don't want a certain government of that country to know you're spying there. Doing a citizens arrest means you need to identify yourself to the police, and your cover could be blown. However, in regards to the CIA arresting people and extraordinary renditioning them, you've got Special Activities Division, their paramilitary wing which performs black ops, i.e. going to other countries and doing naughty things which could implicate your country as breaking certain treaties and international laws if anyone found out.
The Kasrkin were just men. It made their actions all the more astonishing. Six white blurs, they fell upon the cultists, lasguns barking at close range. They wasted no shots. One shot, one kill. - Eisenhorn: Malleus
Sturmtruppen wrote:Okay, I'll just answer the damn question if nobody else can.
The CIA is an intelligence agency. Its job is to detect threats to the US from abroad. It does this by sending agents out to spy in foreign countries. Spy as in uphold a cover. If you're a spy and you see a crime going on in the country you're currently spying in, best stay the feth out of it if you don't want a certain government of that country to know you're spying there. Doing a citizens arrest means you need to identify yourself to the police, and your cover could be blown. However, in regards to the CIA arresting people and extraordinary renditioning them, you've got Special Activities Division, their paramilitary wing which performs black ops, i.e. going to other countries and doing naughty things which could implicate your country as breaking certain treaties and international laws if anyone found out.
Did you read the thread? This was answered a dozen times.
Rented Tritium wrote:Did you read the thread? This was answered a dozen times.
But not as thoroughly as that.
The Kasrkin were just men. It made their actions all the more astonishing. Six white blurs, they fell upon the cultists, lasguns barking at close range. They wasted no shots. One shot, one kill. - Eisenhorn: Malleus
The OP just asked a yes/no question, stop tying to bring this off topic thread back on-topic. It is happy being an off-topic off-topic thread. Is nothing sacred on DakkaDakka anymore?
d-usa wrote:Is nothing sacred on DakkaDakka anymore?
Only the God Emperor.
The Kasrkin were just men. It made their actions all the more astonishing. Six white blurs, they fell upon the cultists, lasguns barking at close range. They wasted no shots. One shot, one kill. - Eisenhorn: Malleus
THE CIA
Has no power in the States. They are not allowed to operate in the US. They sometimes do, but CIA agents are suppose to be only out of country. But you can arrest a CIA agent for operating in the US. But they cannot arrest anyone unless they are an US Citizen outside of the US that is doing something.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
Sturmtruppen wrote:Okay, I'll just answer the damn question if nobody else can.
The CIA is an intelligence agency. Its job is to detect threats to the US from abroad. It does this by sending agents out to spy in foreign countries. Spy as in uphold a cover. If you're a spy and you see a crime going on in the country you're currently spying in, best stay the feth out of it if you don't want a certain government of that country to know you're spying there. Doing a citizens arrest means you need to identify yourself to the police, and your cover could be blown. However, in regards to the CIA arresting people and extraordinary renditioning them, you've got Special Activities Division, their paramilitary wing which performs black ops, i.e. going to other countries and doing naughty things which could implicate your country as breaking certain treaties and international laws if anyone found out.
Pretty sure I answered in the .gov's own words in the 5th post and established the precedent of using large text to show I'm important and I know things. Like how to use google.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Sturmtruppen wrote:Okay, I'll just answer the damn question if nobody else can.
The CIA is an intelligence agency. Its job is to detect threats to the US from abroad. It does this by sending agents out to spy in foreign countries. Spy as in uphold a cover. If you're a spy and you see a crime going on in the country you're currently spying in, best stay the feth out of it if you don't want a certain government of that country to know you're spying there. Doing a citizens arrest means you need to identify yourself to the police, and your cover could be blown. However, in regards to the CIA arresting people and extraordinary renditioning them, you've got Special Activities Division, their paramilitary wing which performs black ops, i.e. going to other countries and doing naughty things which could implicate your country as breaking certain treaties and international laws if anyone found out.
Pretty sure I answered in the .gov's own words in the 5th post and established the precedent of using large text to show I'm important and I know things. Like how to use google.
I feel that it's worth pointing out that my job required me to effect citizen's arrests, as this is the only way to legally detain a shoplifting suspect in the UK. I had a radio to signal backup, plus CCTV was being monitored in real-time instore in the event of my radio going down.
I should also add (for the humourless) that I didn't really take nana to the pavement. I gently took her by the arm and said 'come on love, I'm taking you to the managers office. You're suspected of shoplifting.'
Yep, it's a jungle out there. In the wealthy suburbs.
Albatross wrote:
Yep, it's a jungle out there. In the wealthy suburbs.
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Albatross wrote:I feel that it's worth pointing out that my job required me to effect citizen's arrests, as this is the only way to legally detain a shoplifting suspect in the UK. I had a radio to signal backup, plus CCTV was being monitored in real-time instore in the event of my radio going down.
I should also add (for the humourless) that I didn't really take nana to the pavement. I gently took her by the arm and said 'come on love, I'm taking you to the managers office. You're suspected of shoplifting.'
Yep, it's a jungle out there. In the wealthy suburbs.
fixed it for you.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
More have died in the name of normality than ever for strangeness. Beware of normal people. 
