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Dont like it when people belittle some of the more extreme forms of music. For example Death Metal, Take a band like meshuggah who are closer to Jazz Fusion structurally than Metal core. Because both have kick drums in them ignorant people lump them in the same 'angry shouting' bucket.
The other day i was listening to Nihal's excellent Radio 1 review show and a lamb of god song was up for review. Now i am not a lamb of god fan but when Nihal asked some horrid little snot off 'Skins' if he liked their brand of Groove metal and was answered with 'what groove?!' i was angered. A groove is not the sole province of an Afro'd Black dude with a bass guitar.
Unlike most people here i actually like modern production, i think autotune when embraced openly can make for some awesome vocals and i like the production on alot of the current pop songs. The Unsubtle Grandeur of Katy Perry's 'ET' being a particular favourite.
Dubstep is for girls. I am actually serious, 16-24 year old girls (the ones most of us are after ) seem to embrace certain types of music. A few years ago it was Emo now it's dubstep. Hence why Skrillex's brand of toothless flanging (in the musical sense lol) is so popular amongst females. As he has cashed out his emo chips to score more 'tang in the dubstep scene.
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Mary Sue wrote: Perkustin is even more awesome than me!
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I like all punk. And Alby, arguing semantics? Why does there have to be a competition? I prefer the newer Offspring stuff that sounds like Dexter wasn't drunken slurring everything, but many like the garageness of the older, believing that it lends authenticity to it's image. It took me a while to accept it, but Green Day has managed to capture the spirit of punk (look at the lyrics) in a bit more swallowable pop-rock capsule. They started a freaking riot at Woodstock; that's way more cred than sounding amateur and unpolished. Hopefully my inebriation has not spoiled my point.
I'm not sure what it is.... That you like pop-punk? Good for you. I personally think it's juvenile.
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Perkustin wrote:Dont like it when people belittle some of the more extreme forms of music. For example Death Metal, Take a band like meshuggah who are closer to Jazz Fusion structurally than Metal core.
Care to explain that?
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Meshuggah are not a jazz fusion band, in fact saying that they are, based on the fact that they use complex rhythmic devices, chromaticism and non-traditional song-structure is about as ignorant as stating that something is metal-core because it contains 'kick-drums' and 'angry shouting'.
You get this sort of thing a lot in metal - the fans tend to want to cultivate some sort of cachet for themselves by distancing themselves from metal's inseparable association with pop music by claiming that the music is 'symphonic' or 'actually closer to jazz'. It's silly and inaccurate.
'Complex rhythmic devices, chromaticism and non-traditional song-structure'
Isnt that Jazz? Jazz doesnt need to have saxophones.
EDIT Metal-core is again a whole different beast usually having Simpler 'shredding' riffs and often anthemic 'clean' vocals in a distinct chorus. Just because i dont like it personally doesnt mean i dont appreciate that it is different from say Black metal.
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Mary Sue wrote: Perkustin is even more awesome than me!
Albatross wrote: @ MGS - A lot of it is down to the increasing presence of digital instrumentation in pop music, and not just that pop music which is ostensibly 'electronic' in stylistic outlook. The problem with digital musical sound is that it is often PERFECTLY in tune, and the human voice isn't - create a backing track using wholly digitised musical elements, and you'll have no choice but to tune the vocals, so that they don't sound out of tune.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh wait, do you mean vocoder-esque tuning? Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either.
Yeah? I mean that horrible warbling robot noise.
Like everyone 'singing' on this piece of filth.
As though they are all using a 'simon says' for a microphone.
I seem to remember hearing and being incredibly irritated by it first on this old Cher song. I'm sure it's been around longer, perhaps not as emphasised, but this was the start of my ongoing suffering.
Frazzled wrote:Don't forget the Police I'll be watching you.
Erm, the Police song is called "Every breath you take.". Some other two-bit R&B act did "I'll be watching you" using samples and riffs from a number of sources.
My bad "Every Breath You Take."
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Threads over. Ya'll go on home now....
No, sadly there are a number of dead horses that Dakka OT is contractually obligated to beat into the ground in this thead. So sit back and enjoy the "witty" banter...
Albatross wrote:Meshuggah are not a jazz fusion band, in fact saying that they are, based on the fact that they use complex rhythmic devices, chromaticism and non-traditional song-structure is about as ignorant as stating that something is metal-core because it contains 'kick-drums' and 'angry shouting'.
You get this sort of thing a lot in metal - the fans tend to want to cultivate some sort of cachet for themselves by distancing themselves from metal's inseparable association with pop music by claiming that the music is 'symphonic' or 'actually closer to jazz'. It's silly and inaccurate.
Alright chill mate. I wasn't stating it like it was a law of the cosmos or something. I wasn't saying Meshuggah were a Jazz Fusion band or a Metal Core band one way or the other. Hell they could be Proto County Funk, still not gonna give a toss.
Albatross wrote:Meshuggah are not a jazz fusion band, in fact saying that they are, based on the fact that they use complex rhythmic devices, chromaticism and non-traditional song-structure is about as ignorant as stating that something is metal-core because it contains 'kick-drums' and 'angry shouting'.
You get this sort of thing a lot in metal - the fans tend to want to cultivate some sort of cachet for themselves by distancing themselves from metal's inseparable association with pop music by claiming that the music is 'symphonic' or 'actually closer to jazz'. It's silly and inaccurate.
Alright chill mate. I wasn't stating it like it was a law of the cosmos or something. I wasn't saying Meshuggah were a Jazz Fusion band or a Metal Core band one way or the other. Hell they could be Proto County Funk, still not gonna give a toss.
You did actually say they were closer to Jazz Fusion than standard metal so Alby (a music student and singer/songwriter) was within his rights to call you out on it.
Albatross wrote:Meshuggah are not a jazz fusion band, in fact saying that they are, based on the fact that they use complex rhythmic devices, chromaticism and non-traditional song-structure is about as ignorant as stating that something is metal-core because it contains 'kick-drums' and 'angry shouting'.
You get this sort of thing a lot in metal - the fans tend to want to cultivate some sort of cachet for themselves by distancing themselves from metal's inseparable association with pop music by claiming that the music is 'symphonic' or 'actually closer to jazz'. It's silly and inaccurate.
Alright chill mate. I wasn't stating it like it was a law of the cosmos or something. I wasn't saying Meshuggah were a Jazz Fusion band or a Metal Core band one way or the other. Hell they could be Proto County Funk, still not gonna give a toss.
Fair enough. I thought we were having a discussion, as opposed to just saying 'that's great' or 'that sucks'.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I like all punk. And Alby, arguing semantics? Why does there have to be a competition? I prefer the newer Offspring stuff that sounds like Dexter wasn't drunken slurring everything, but many like the garageness of the older, believing that it lends authenticity to it's image. It took me a while to accept it, but Green Day has managed to capture the spirit of punk (look at the lyrics) in a bit more swallowable pop-rock capsule. They started a freaking riot at Woodstock; that's way more cred than sounding amateur and unpolished. Hopefully my inebriation has not spoiled my point.
Would you say "You're gonna go far, kid" is new or old?
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Perkustin wrote:'Complex rhythmic devices, chromaticism and non-traditional song-structure'
Isnt that Jazz?
Some forms of jazz, sure. But those elements are also present in prog-rock, math-rock, western art (or 'Classical') music and, as already discussed, some types of metal, such as tech-metal.
An acquaintance of mine said that Green Day was a much better band than Nirvana. I disagree with that statement. If I say anything more radical, I'm afraid I'll be struck with terrible backlash from the internet. Call the police before my opinions are ridiculed.
In all seriousness, Green Day's okay, but it's not on the same level as Nirvana, both in the sense that Nirvana, and that Nirvana is grunge, while Green day is more punk.
moom241 wrote:An acquaintance of mine said that Green Day was a much better band than Nirvana. I disagree with that statement. If I say anything more radical, I'm afraid I'll be struck with terrible backlash from the internet. Call the police before my opinions are ridiculed.
In all seriousness, Green Day's okay, but it's not on the same level as Nirvana, both in the sense that Nirvana, and that Nirvana is grunge, while Green day is more punk.
I've never really understood the love for Nirvana so I'm going to have to go with Greenday.
corpsesarefun wrote:You did actually say they were closer to Jazz Fusion than standard metal so Alby (a music student and singer/songwriter) was within his rights to call you out on it.
I wasn't actually agreeing or disagreeing with perkustin. I was only typing what he wrote because i was trying to get to where Albatross was at on the whole Jazz Fuions/Metal Core thing. I couldnt how the statement needed explaining. I can see though that my post was badly written. It came off like i was stating it as fact when i wasn't.
Albatross wrote:Fair enough. I thought we were having a discussion, as opposed to just saying 'that's great' or 'that sucks'.
Mate I thought we were having a discussion too. Who ever said 'thats great/that sucks'?
) seem to embrace certain types of music. A few years ago it was Emo now it's dubstep. Hence why Skrillex's brand of toothless flanging (in the musical sense 
Why does there have to be a competition? I prefer the newer Offspring stuff that sounds like Dexter wasn't drunken slurring everything, but many like the garageness of the older, believing that it lends authenticity to it's image. It took me a while to accept it, but Green Day has managed to capture the spirit of punk (look at the lyrics) in a bit more swallowable pop-rock capsule. They started a freaking riot at Woodstock; that's way more cred than sounding amateur and unpolished. Hopefully my inebriation has not spoiled my point.
