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Yeah 1984 I don't think even has a disaster in its background so there's no danger of overlap for that one XD

Alraz_ka wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:Anyone mention 1984 yet?

Dystopic not post-apoc.

Arguably. Same with Fahrenheit 451

LordofHats wrote:Yeah 1984 I don't think even has a disaster in its background so there's no danger of overlap for that one XD

I thought 1984 had like nuclear war, which is why they joined into the three powers, and now they continually fight.

There was a war, but I don't think it was a nuclear war. I can't remember if any details were given about the war itself actually. Either way, the world has survived enough that modern states, trade, and society itself have not outright collapsed. The world of 1984 I think suffer a long period of political upheaval and chaos, not an apocalyptic disaster. I could be remembering the book wrong, I'm not a fan of Orwell.

If more than 10% of the population survives, it is not post apoc, imo.

Even if a big nuclear war did change everything in 1984, it's really not post-apocalyptic unless it killed most of the population. The fact that there's still three major forces around fighting each other kind of nixes that idea.

Granted, I've never read 1984 (or seen the movie). I watched like the first twenty minutes of the movie, got bored, and decided to put it away.

Amaya wrote:If more than 10% of the population survives, it is not post apoc, imo.

I think it's really going to depend on if someone believes in genre overlap. While I do believe in it, at the same time I tend to look at genre as being defined by theme and arche-type which is something that tends to be exclusive in some areas. For example, post-apocalyptic stories are about the collapse of society in the wake of disaster. Dystopia can't really use that theme because the existence of an oppressive society is kind of the whole point. In this way, I'd argue that post-apocalyptic and dystopic themes are mutually exclusive to one another (generally).

I mean my view on Star Wars is that its a fantasy. Sure it has a bunch of sci-fi stuff littered around, aliens, space ships, technology, but at its core its themes and ideas are all those of a fantasy story. Normally this is called a science fantasy or a space opera, but I tend to see the former as "fantasy in space" and the later as being more a style of story rather than a genre.

But then genre is kind of a muddled word torn to bits beyond all recognition.

I would say a lot of the post apoc universes brought up have a dystopia feel.

Anything with any sort of organized group is going to be dystopic. Look at Fallout. You had the enclave, brotherhood of steel, NCR, Legion, Mr. Vegas. All of those ruled in some sort of dystopic way.

For me, my own favorites are:


"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep"
"Blade Runner"
"Book of Eli"

and the Mad Max series, though, tbh it got quite weird with "Beyond Thunderdome"

If anyone has read the short story "By the Waters of Babylon", it's freaking awesome. I would read a novel set in that universe if someone made one.

At the first part you don't even know it's post-apoc. It seems like it's set in the past or in some fantasy setting, but you pick up subtle hints. Things like "Going into the Red Lands to gather metal from the houses of the gods". Anyway, the "gods" turn out to have been modern people, and that is revealed when the main character goes to the "city of the gods" which is revealed to be New York city. I picked up on the hints way before the reveal moment though lol.

The story is set way after the apocalypse, where humanity is sort of tribal, but partially civilized. It is far enough after the Event that the people have put it into legend. "The Great Burning" is what they called it.

The Book of the New Sun (I believe thats the title) is very similar GalacticDefender. It is a post-apocalyptic novel but unless you pick up on the subtle hints you'd never know it. If you want something similar to what you described its a trilogy and won the Hugo Award, for what its worth.

Stephen King's 'The Dark Tower' series and also his novel 'The Stand', which are part of the same universe (or multiverse), although each is a stand-alone post-apoc world (nuclear/virus respectively). Also 'The Road', which was less detailed but very powerful.

I'm reading 'universe' as 'setting'.

A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter Miller. One of the best science fiction novels ever published, and - incidentally - an influence on Warhammer 40,000.

Oh, and Oryx and Crake/Year of the Flood by Margaret Atwood.

killykavekommando wrote:

Alraz_ka wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:Anyone mention 1984 yet?

Dystopic not post-apoc.

Arguably. Same with Fahrenheit 451

Same with 40k.

40k aside.. Fallout really grabbed me, especially New Vegas. A lot of the 2000AD universe is wonderful, too.

The Book of the New Sun is probably my all-time favourite post-apocalypse/societal-decay setting. The author creates such a vivid and colourful setting, with such strikingly odd and fully-imagined concepts and creations that are often left as a puzzle for the reader to decipher from inferences and observations in the text.

English Assassin wrote:A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter Miller. One of the best science fiction novels ever published, and - incidentally - an influence on Warhammer 40,000.

Oh, and Oryx and Crake/Year of the Flood by Margaret Atwood.

I'll have to look up ACfL. (Also, your avatar, yesss.)

Winterkit wrote:The Book of the New Sun is probably my all-time favourite post-apocalypse/societal-decay setting. The author creates such a vivid and colourful setting, with such strikingly odd and fully-imagined concepts and creations that are often left as a puzzle for the reader to decipher from inferences and observations in the text.

Wonderful series of books, probably the last decent (i.e. not a Tolkien rehash) fantasy novels written (possible exceptions for Neil Gaiman and China Mieville). At the risk of nitpicking, I'd say they strictly belonged to the "dying earth" subgenre, rather than the post-apocalyptic, but they are nonetheless novels which any literate fan of fantasy/sci-fi should have read.

The Stand, Day/ Land of the Dead, POTA, Mad Max/ Road Warrior, Damnation Alley, Hell comes to Frogtown.

Did you know the name of a movie that
1. narrates the adventure of a postman, doing various delivery tasks carried over from the prostponed ones (due to the nuke wars)
2. one of the settlement has a curtain wall. built of scrapmetals, and has one 105mm Howitzer guarding its entrance.
3. one of the character is a 'wasteland warlord'. stylized himself 'lord, prince, duke, king'... well i'm only watched some part of it and not a trailer.
4. and yes. it is post-apocalypse setting. the ol' mighty USA collapsed.
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Lone Cat wrote:Did you know the name of a movie that
1. narrates the adventure of a postman, doing various delivery tasks carried over from the prostponed ones (due to the nuke wars)
2. one of the settlement has a curtain wall. built of scrapmetals, and has one 105mm Howitzer guarding its entrance.
3. one of the character is a 'wasteland warlord'. stylized himself 'lord, prince, duke, king'... well i'm only watched some part of it and not a trailer.
4. and yes. it is post-apocalypse setting. the ol' mighty USA collapsed.
?

The Postman

http://romanticallyapocalyptic.com/1 is pretty fun

3 pages in and no one has mentioned the universe inhabited by Judge Dredd? By far my favourite- the cursed earth idea had a big impact on me as a little fella (Started reading the comics aged 8).
Hell, it even has 3 apocalypses that I can think of happen in the actual comics! (Can you even pluralise apocalypse?) Necropolis, the Apocalypse War (which was AWESOME) and Judgement Day.

Book of Eli sucked balls, but The Road came out at the same time, and that was some proper, bleak post apocalypse stuff.

Overall it's my favourite sci fi setting, probably why I love the 3rd edition onwards orks so much- they borrow a lot of their look from that kind of fiction.

Also, Fallout is the game I've enjoyed the most in my entire life for just that reason.

Fallout is by far my favorite; I love the 50's Shenanigans! Aside from that?
The Road
Monte Cook's World of Darkness
Book of Eli
A Boy and His Dog
The Stand
28 Days and 28 Weeks Later
The Walking Dead

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There was an RTS game using the post-apoc settings. the story was set in the SAME universe and no 'dieselpunk' divergency, yes we don't really NEED that!.
yes the name of the RTS is KKnD: Krush Kill n Destroy.
made by ozzies and it was a success.
it was one of my favorites. if it's not because of its ungodly difficulty i'd beat it without needin' a cheat..
the KKnD2. the sequel. seems to be its finale. but 'ey! what happened to Melbourne House? why ain't there be any signs of KKnD3 ? isn't the KKnD2 success?

the KKnD series seems to be more or less inspired by MadMax series (Mel Gibson rose to his fame from there). the 'evolved' factions are tribal-themed. representing 'post apocalypse barbarians'. the 'survivors' represents the 'civilized' humans.. in the first settings. the Evolved gained access to motorized vehicles (which heavily influenced by Mad Max series, made of junk just like real life technicals. and decorated with skulls and spikes to scare the weak, while enrages the fearless).
personally i'd want to make a C&C: YR mod based on post-apocalypse settings. but i'm yet to design how many factions should it be? and how should each faction looks like?

Does Star Trek count?

I mean, a major event for humans in Star Trek canon is the Eugenic Wars/World War 3 on Earth, which killed 630 million people, destroyed nearly every major city and plunged Earth in to nuclear winter. It would take two generations to rebuild and even then the earliest days of Untied Earth would be haunted by it.

Other then that, I'd say Fallout and Battlestar Galactica (see what I did there).

The world of TORG.

I had a lot of fun there a long time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torg

Zardoz and Fallout.

How did I forget Adventure Time?

Now, if there were an Adventure Time Fallout.. That would be perfect.

Fallout 3.

It's weird actually living right near where it takes place.

You can help by adding Fredericksburg to the Fallout universe

No love for Metro 2033?

Fallout

Ghost in the shell

L4D

War of the Worlds

Falling Skies (but only because we see so much about the surviving)

The book of Eli

Does War of the Worlds count? I mean, I admit it's been a long while since I read the book, but didn't the whole thing get cut off mid-apocalypse?