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2012/05/07 01:39:23
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Exactly where are the RAW that if you are reduced to 0 weapons ur searchlight is also useless?
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2012/05/07 01:40:30
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Actually (IIRC), the sabre has a special rule that allows it to use the searchlight without firing a weapon.
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2012/05/07 01:41:24
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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The Hive Mind
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Valkyria wrote:Exactly where are the RAW that if you are reduced to 0 weapons ur searchlight is also useless?
It's been quoted in this thread multiple times.
To use the searchlight, you have to get a target. There is no permission to acquire a target without shooting a weapon, even if you don't have any weapons.
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2012/05/07 01:41:57
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Actually (IIRC), the sabre has a special rule that allows it to use the searchlight without firing a weapon.
It probably does, but you still have to explain that powerlifter sentinel
rigeld2 wrote:Valkyria wrote:Exactly where are the RAW that if you are reduced to 0 weapons ur searchlight is also useless?
It's been quoted in this thread multiple times.
To use the searchlight, you have to get a target. There is no permission to acquire a target without shooting a weapon, even if you don't have any weapons.
If you would be so kind to point me to the post where its confirmed with other than opinions i will change my mind, but left wondering how the powerlifter works in that case
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2012/05/07 01:43:54
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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The Hive Mind
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Valkyria wrote:It probably does, but you still have to explain that powerlifter sentinel
The people that wrote the rules for it don't actually know all the rules.
The saber having a rule allowing it is even more evidence that the powerlifter sentinel has a useless upgrade.
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2012/05/07 01:49:23
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Interesting theory that a subcompany of GW dont know the rules, and redid old errors in the latest IA 1 update :/
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2012/05/07 01:50:41
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Valkyria wrote:Interesting theory that a subcompany of GW dont know the rules, and redid old errors in the latest IA 1 update :/
GW can not even write clear rules most of the time, how do you expect a subcompany to follow them...
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2012/05/07 01:51:19
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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The new Chaos Dreadnought thing in the latest Imperial Armour book doesn't even have a designated FORCE ORGANIZATION SLOT for you to take it in, and you're wondering about how FW could have mistaken how Searchlights work? Seriously?
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2012/05/07 02:04:39
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Valkyria wrote:Interesting theory that a subcompany of GW dont know the rules, and redid old errors in the latest IA 1 update :/
I would suspect it's not so much down to not knowing the rules as just thinking that all Imperial vehicles have searchlights, and not stopping to consider what that would mean on a vehicle with no ranged weapons...
Either way, unless you can present something that allows you to ignore the normal shooting process, there is simply no way within the rules to use the searchlight without firing a weapon. It's not an issue of the rules forbidding it... they simply don't offer any way of doing so.
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2012/05/07 10:31:57
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Valkyria wrote:Interesting theory that a subcompany of GW dont know the rules, and redid old errors in the latest IA 1 update :/
What's so funny about this is GW doesn't even know the rules to their own game.
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2012/05/07 11:55:56
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Valkyria wrote:Interesting theory that a subcompany of GW dont know the rules, and redid old errors in the latest IA 1 update :/
Get used to it. There's a reason that this forum is so busy.....................
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2012/05/07 18:55:19
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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Just a question for those of you who believe that you can use a searchlight without firing a weapon.
How do you resolve the searchlight's effect when you DO fire a weapon?
A) Declare you are firing the vehicle and resolve the normal order, with the night fight check and then illuminate the target if successful
B) First use the spotlight and take a night fight check to "spot" the target, then fire at the target with the weapon(s). Please note that this method allows you to take a second night fight check when you go through the shooting sequence.
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2012/05/07 19:04:02
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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The Hive Mind
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ryan3740 wrote:Just a question for those of you who believe that you can use a searchlight without firing a weapon.
How do you resolve the searchlight's effect when you DO fire a weapon?
A) Declare you are firing the vehicle and resolve the normal order, with the night fight check and then illuminate the target if successful
B) First use the spotlight and take a night fight check to "spot" the target, then fire at the target with the weapon(s). Please note that this method allows you to take a second night fight check when you go through the shooting sequence.
A, since that's what the rules say.
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2012/05/07 21:22:39
Subject: Using Spotlights without firing weapons
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Lethal Lhamean
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you pick a target to shoot at, then roll NF. if you suceed in spotting it, fire weapons. if you have a searchlight that target unit is lit up.
seems pretty black and white. you need to fire weapons, and thus be ABLE to fire weapons at a target to light it up.
flatout / smoke / no weapons means you are disallowed from shooting, and thus disallowed from attempting to shoot, therefore you may not attempt to aquire a target FOR shooting. searchlight fails.
how is that unclear?????
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