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KewlImp wrote:I don't know much about the other systems but I can tell you this. You don't see BattleTech there for a reason. I like battletech because of the system used. However, there is very little need to buy more Minis with the system with battletech and therefor LFGS doesn't carry much stock. They don't need to. It will be similiar with any gaming system that doesn't regularly produce new product.

That being said, with a limited number of units in WM/H, it is likely their sales will decrease unless they have a lot more product. Based off of my LFGS, there isn't much for the game in comparision to wh40k/whfb.

I wouldn't precisely call WM/H's selection of models "limited." As of when iBodger stopped updating, all the Warmachine factions (besides Ret) have upwards of 90 SKUs, typically with new SKUs coming out on a bimonthly basis (clarification: new SKUs on a biweekly basis, with each faction getting something new every other month or so). Hordes factions have around 60 each, and are slated to catch up to Warmachine within the next year.

haendas wrote:...I think some game stores just have a natural ebb and flow.

This is my FLGS. Right now it's Flames of War and WMH that are the two most played (and purchased) miniatures games. Dystopian Wars and the odd historical game come next. Then it's Warhammer Fantasy then 40k. His clientele ranges from old big spenders to kids with parents in tow. All that range will play in the store too.

Something has changed radically though because for the first time in 25 years of this store selling GW stuff and having game tables, I can walk in there on a Saturday and not a single GW game is being played. The store owner says he's gone whole weekends when nobody has played a GW game in the store. He says his sales have dried up and gaming has severely slowed for GW products and games. He's never seen this serious a pendulum swing away from GW purchasing or gaming. Ever.

On topic a bit; I do know I'm going to play some 40k at Historicon next month and I'm hoping that will help revive my interest along with the new edition.

Kaptajn Congoboy wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:GW has different models for the second edition of Necromunda.

Which is 9 years ago. And no, they didn't.They are the exact same models I bought in 1995 - I am sitting with my originals in my hand right now comparing them to the offerings on the GW site. They might have remade the molds, but from the state of the ones I saw, I seriously doubt it. They certainly haven't done so for a number of other lines. I know that the Necromunda collectors I know do not buy from GW direct for this reason. Games that end up in the Specialist Games category aren't maintained in the same way as the Big Three. Which is really sad for Epic, a game that really deserved to live on.

Some gangs were redone more than others. I believe the 'redone' gangs moved to separate hand & weapon sprues from regular one-piece minis.

Consul Scipio wrote:This is my FLGS. Right now it's Flames of War and WMH that are the two most played (and purchased) miniatures games. Dystopian Wars and the odd historical game come next. Then it's Warhammer Fantasy then 40k. His clientele ranges from old big spenders to kids with parents in tow. All that range will play in the store too.

Something has changed radically though because for the first time in 25 years of this store selling GW stuff and having game tables, I can walk in there on a Saturday and not a single GW game is being played. The store owner says he's gone whole weekends when nobody has played a GW game in the store. He says his sales have dried up and gaming has severely slowed for GW products and games. He's never seen this serious a pendulum swing away from GW purchasing or gaming. Ever.

Because never before has there been such a huge gaming offer outside the GW universe, coupled with such a little amount of offer inside the GW universe...

I have some other personal opinions on why this is the case, but I don't wan't to go there in this thread.

Suffice to say that 6th Ed. will see a revive in 40k in most LGS or have the exact opposite effect... time will tell.

Laughing Man wrote:

KewlImp wrote:I don't know much about the other systems but I can tell you this. You don't see BattleTech there for a reason. I like battletech because of the system used. However, there is very little need to buy more Minis with the system with battletech and therefor LFGS doesn't carry much stock. They don't need to. It will be similiar with any gaming system that doesn't regularly produce new product.

That being said, with a limited number of units in WM/H, it is likely their sales will decrease unless they have a lot more product. Based off of my LFGS, there isn't much for the game in comparision to wh40k/whfb.

I wouldn't precisely call WM/H's selection of models "limited." As of when iBodger stopped updating, all the Warmachine factions (besides Ret) have upwards of 90 SKUs, typically with new SKUs coming out on a bimonthly basis (clarification: new SKUs on a biweekly basis, with each faction getting something new every other month or so). Hordes factions have around 60 each, and are slated to catch up to Warmachine within the next year.

In that case, I apologize for calling it a limited selection. I just don't see that big of a section at my gaming store. it could be San Antonio. I do see a wall of GW stuff that I see purchased regularly. I normally come out of the RPG rooms long enough to get a soda and go right back in but I see models gone or being purchased. I normally don't see the other stuff. But this is my experience alone.

Palindrome wrote:Who are ICV2 and where do they get their stats from? The link above is less than informative.

The link says where they get their information: they get it directly from retailers(aka stores), distributors(such as Alliance), and manufacturers(the companies that make the products).

As for who they are:
Internal Correspondence was a newsletter and then a magazine published from the early 80s through the mid-90s by Capital City Distribution, Inc., one of the largest distributors of pop culture products during that period. The magazine was a trade publication directed at specialty retailers. When Capital City Distribution was sold to Diamond Comic Distributors in 1996, the rights to the name were kept by one of the principals of Capital -- Milton Griepp -- who had been publisher and editor-in-chief of the magazine at Capital. Beginning in the fall of 2000, Griepp began working on a Web version of the title. ICv2 launched in January, 2001. The ICv2 Retailer Guides magazines were launched in 2002.

ICv2, more formally Internal Correspondence version 2.

"We believe that we're all in this together -- that if the markets for pop culture products grow, we'll all be more successful. Accordingly, we're devoted to promoting our common interests and growing the business of which we're all a part.

At ICv2, we strive to be fast, accurate, fair, and complete in our coverage. We'll try to get you the news that affects your business first, to give you correct information, to be fair to the companies, people, and products we cover, and to give you the whole story.

Rather than telling you our personal preferences, our credo is "we like what sells," and we will endeavor to chart accurately the potential and performance of various products profiled, always trying to include those important channel issues (who's selling these products), that can greatly affect sales potential."

They been used multiple times as a resource for a number of magazines and papers, including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fortune, Business Week, Time, USA Today, and Publishers Weekly. They're not only known in the industry, but are respected as the source for news on the pop-culture market.

More info here:
http://www.icv2.com/about/

No one is playing? What a great opportunity to finish painting your army or start in on that Kustom Titan you've always wanted to tackle but never had the time for.

Hi solorg.
Your advise is sound for collectors.

BUT gamers want to game , not paint.(Hence the large amount of unpainted stuff about! )

Wouldnt it be nice to be able to use your minatures in a game .Thats the cool thing about other games the let you play full games with fewer minatures.(Less painting before you play!)

Maybe that why potential new players struggle with 40k .It needs a comparitivley massive amount investment of time and money before you get to play a 'full game'.

I just read the 40k rumors..

that FoC..

18x hive guard in a list.. or 12x Valks easily..

And allie units! I can run Nob Bikers and Seer council together according to the allie chart..

Fun....

Give warmachine a try

What should i do if nobody wants to play 40k?

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