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Im going predators now or Vindicators. This edition gets worse and worse for templars.

No, don't worry, we'll be just fine, you're just whining.




/sarcasm

Use Codex Space Marines?

Glorioski wrote:Use Codex Space Marines?

And be forced to shelve half my army? I think I'll just stick to Templars anyway.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Use Codex Space Marines?

And be forced to shelve half my army? I think I'll just stick to Templars anyway.

Shelve half your army? How did you work that one out then? Can't think of a BT model you can't use as something in the SM dex.

Glorioski wrote:Use Codex Space Marines?

Hellll noooo.


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Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Use Codex Space Marines?

And be forced to shelve half my army? I think I'll just stick to Templars anyway.

Shelve half your army? How did you work that one out then? Can't think of a BT model you can't use as something in the SM dex.

Crusaders mostly carry a bolt pistol and CCW weapon. Smurfs carry bolters only..

Seriously there are too many marine codexes, any hopes you have for them bringing out anything more than a white dwarf codex should be forgotten.

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Use Codex Space Marines?

And be forced to shelve half my army? I think I'll just stick to Templars anyway.

Shelve half your army? How did you work that one out then? Can't think of a BT model you can't use as something in the SM dex.

Crusaders mostly carry a bolt pistol and CCW weapon. Smurfs carry bolters only..

Yeah there are. Templars were one of the first chapters to not be in the SM codex. Many years ago. Templars are getting updated after Chaos which is first or after Tau which would be 2nd. They will not be a forgotten codex..

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Use Codex Space Marines?

And be forced to shelve half my army? I think I'll just stick to Templars anyway.

Shelve half your army? How did you work that one out then? Can't think of a BT model you can't use as something in the SM dex.

No, but it'd be a worse army than just sticking to Black Templars. No double weapon Terminators (and you'd have to remodel some to be Sergeants), no Tactical Marines with BP/CCW, no Techmarines with wargear, no Chaplains with Chainfists/Thunder Hammers, no 5-man lasplas squads (making lascannons and/or plasma guns pretty subpar), no Emperor's Champion, no Chainfist/Storm Shield Commander etc, with the rest filling in for stuff like Vanguard Veterans without Jump Packs and BP/CCW Scouts, which are generally considered subpar.


As for your challenge: Cenobyte Servitors!

Stormtrooper520 wrote:Yeah there are. Templars were one of the first chapters to not be in the SM codex. Many years ago. Templars are getting updated after Chaos which is first or after Tau which would be 2nd. They will not be a forgotten codex..

Actually, we were the last.

Glorioski wrote:Seriously there are too many marine codexes, any hopes you have for them bringing out anything more than a white dwarf codex should be forgotten.

So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

Stormtrooper520 wrote:Yeah there are. Templars were one of the first chapters to not be in the SM codex. Many years ago. Templars are getting updated after Chaos which is first or after Tau which would be 2nd. They will not be a forgotten codex..

If you believe that then quit whining.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:As for your challenge: Cenobyte Servitors!

Standard servitors no good for you?

We still have the heavy 2 launchers, no worries.

You'll also find that some of the weapons in this codex are written out longhand, rather than using the weapon profile format in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. Don't worry - these are functionally identical, unless noted otherwise in this document

It's not noted in the FAQ so it's identical to the one in the BRB

As final proof, the new BRB literally lists every single weapon in the game in the appendix. There is only 1 Typhoon ML and it is the version from 5th. If we were meant to have the old crappy one, it would be listed under the weapon portion.


And:

the revised version of our codex, which I just checked, already includes the Jan 2011 FAQ and updates, so the new ones apply to the updated codex.

Dark Scipio wrote:

You'll also find that some of the weapons in this codex are written out longhand, rather than using the weapon profile format in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. Don't worry - these are functionally identical, unless noted otherwise in this document

It's not noted in the FAQ so it's identical to the one in the BRB

Except that's patently untrue, as there's two different profiles. These days Codex trumps Rulebook, so we'd still have the old one.

If the revised Codex thingie is true (which I don't doubt), there's clear precedence for us to have the "new" launchers, but RAW it'd depend on whether you had a new Codex or not.

Glorioski wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:Yeah there are. Templars were one of the first chapters to not be in the SM codex. Many years ago. Templars are getting updated after Chaos which is first or after Tau which would be 2nd. They will not be a forgotten codex..

If you believe that then quit whining.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:As for your challenge: Cenobyte Servitors!

Standard servitors no good for you?

I'm not whining, I'm simply talking about the changes in the codex when 6th came out jeez. Don't have to be a smurf loving fangirl. There are other chapters out there...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Seriously there are too many marine codexes, any hopes you have for them bringing out anything more than a white dwarf codex should be forgotten.

So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

No not correct, you fail at basic reading comprehension.

If you want my opinion on the matter I believe there should be more time spent on other codexes outside of marines. BT never needed more than the rules supplements they got in Armageddon.

Stormtrooper520 wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:Yeah there are. Templars were one of the first chapters to not be in the SM codex. Many years ago. Templars are getting updated after Chaos which is first or after Tau which would be 2nd. They will not be a forgotten codex..

If you believe that then quit whining.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:As for your challenge: Cenobyte Servitors!

Standard servitors no good for you?

I'm not whining, I'm simply talking about the changes in the codex when 6th came out jeez. Don't have to be a smurf loving fangirl. There are other chapters out there...

Really? looks a lot like whining. I don't play smurfs FYI.

Alright good for you, you play vanilla marines though, enough said. BT > Vanilla

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Seriously there are too many marine codexes, any hopes you have for them bringing out anything more than a white dwarf codex should be forgotten.

So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

No not correct, you fail at basic reading comprehension.

If you want my opinion on the matter I believe there should be more time spent on other codexes outside of marines. BT never needed more than the rules supplements they got in Armageddon.

That dodges the issue though; now that Black Templars have a Codex, what would you prefer GW did with them as a playable faction?

Stormtrooper520 wrote:Alright good for you, you play vanilla marines though, enough said. BT > Vanilla

Seriously, calm down, that doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Dark Scipio wrote:We still have the heavy 2 launchers, no worries.

You'll also find that some of the weapons in this codex are written out longhand, rather than using the weapon profile format in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. Don't worry - these are functionally identical, unless noted otherwise in this document

It's not noted in the FAQ so it's identical to the one in the BRB

I think this is the intent. I can understand AM's thinking, though. The problem is that "these are functionally identical, unless noted otherwise in this document" isn't very explicit. It SEEMs to be saying that any longform weapon profiles in the codices will match the ones in the rulebook. But they don't match, in this case.

I think the best way to play it is that all TMLs use the profile from the rulebook.

Mannahnin wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:We still have the heavy 2 launchers, no worries.

You'll also find that some of the weapons in this codex are written out longhand, rather than using the weapon profile format in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. Don't worry - these are functionally identical, unless noted otherwise in this document

It's not noted in the FAQ so it's identical to the one in the BRB

I think this is the intent. I can understand AM's thinking, though. The problem is that "these are functionally identical, unless noted otherwise in this document" isn't very explicit. It SEEMs to be saying that any longform weapon profiles in the codices will match the ones in the rulebook. But they don't match, in this case.

I think the best way to play it is that all TMLs use the profile from the rulebook.

I wouldn't say no to that, I'm just brainstorming arguments against us, and as you note the Codex DOESN'T match up, and as I said, Codex>Rulebook these days.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Seriously there are too many marine codexes, any hopes you have for them bringing out anything more than a white dwarf codex should be forgotten.

So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

No not correct, you fail at basic reading comprehension.

If you want my opinion on the matter I believe there should be more time spent on other codexes outside of marines. BT never needed more than the rules supplements they got in Armageddon.

That dodges the issue though; now that Black Templars have a Codex, what would you prefer GW did with them as a playable faction?

I see no problem with Chapter Approved style supplementary rules like you had in third. I'd rather that than they devote several months to them in the codex cycle. 5 marine codexes (6 if you include grey knights) is overkill.

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Seriously there are too many marine codexes, any hopes you have for them bringing out anything more than a white dwarf codex should be forgotten.

So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

No not correct, you fail at basic reading comprehension.

If you want my opinion on the matter I believe there should be more time spent on other codexes outside of marines. BT never needed more than the rules supplements they got in Armageddon.

That dodges the issue though; now that Black Templars have a Codex, what would you prefer GW did with them as a playable faction?

I see no problem with Chapter Approved style supplementary rules like you had in third. I'd rather that than they devote several months to them in the codex cycle. 5 marine codexes (6 if you include grey knights) is overkill.

So no new Black Templars Codex but rather a Chapter Approved article adding Black Templars to Codex: Space Marines?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:We still have the heavy 2 launchers, no worries.

You'll also find that some of the weapons in this codex are written out longhand, rather than using the weapon profile format in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. Don't worry - these are functionally identical, unless noted otherwise in this document

It's not noted in the FAQ so it's identical to the one in the BRB

I think this is the intent. I can understand AM's thinking, though. The problem is that "these are functionally identical, unless noted otherwise in this document" isn't very explicit. It SEEMs to be saying that any longform weapon profiles in the codices will match the ones in the rulebook. But they don't match, in this case.

I think the best way to play it is that all TMLs use the profile from the rulebook.

I wouldn't say no to that, I'm just brainstorming arguments against us, and as you note the Codex DOESN'T match up, and as I said, Codex>Rulebook these days.

True, per page 7. But the FAQ appears to be saying that the two will agree, which they don't.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:So no new Black Templars Codex but rather a Chapter Approved article adding Black Templars to Codex: Space Marines?

Yes. Rules for the basic units which represent the basic BT structure in the fluff then Helbrecht, Grimaldus and Emps Champ as special characters who let you field other units in different ways, just like how the special characters in the SM codex work.

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:So no new Black Templars Codex but rather a Chapter Approved article adding Black Templars to Codex: Space Marines?

Yes. Rules for the basic units which represent the basic BT structure in the fluff then Helbrecht, Grimaldus and Emps Champ as special characters who let you field other units in different ways, just like how the special characters in the SM codex work.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

Guess my reading comprehension is just fine. Note that there's nothing wrong with your point of view, I just disagree.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Seriously there are too many marine codexes, any hopes you have for them bringing out anything more than a white dwarf codex should be forgotten.

So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

No not correct, you fail at basic reading comprehension.

If you want my opinion on the matter I believe there should be more time spent on other codexes outside of marines. BT never needed more than the rules supplements they got in Armageddon.

That dodges the issue though; now that Black Templars have a Codex, what would you prefer GW did with them as a playable faction?

I see no problem with Chapter Approved style supplementary rules like you had in third. I'd rather that than they devote several months to them in the codex cycle. 5 marine codexes (6 if you include grey knights) is overkill.

So no new Black Templars Codex but rather a Chapter Approved article adding Black Templars to Codex: Space Marines?

I think Templars will be getting a new codex, I hope they keep it that way and not resort to an "entry" in the SM codex

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:So no new Black Templars Codex but rather a Chapter Approved article adding Black Templars to Codex: Space Marines?

Yes. Rules for the basic units which represent the basic BT structure in the fluff then Helbrecht, Grimaldus and Emps Champ as special characters who let you field other units in different ways, just like how the special characters in the SM codex work.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

Guess my reading comprehension is just fine.

Right? So the fact you have gathered the I have a dislike for black templars and that is what my opposition to them having a codex is based on comes from something I have said? Don't think so.

I do think that blob squads of BT got hit hard, but how about those bikes I mentioned before? 12" move, 2D6 charge, throw chaplains in and have +2 attacks for charge, plus re-rolls. Small squads that hit hard and ignore the panic checks for each wound caused. I do wanna try it. The list I'm thinking is as follows at 2500-tell me whatcha all think:
Emperor's Champion 140pts
Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds
Master of Sanctity 175pts
Bike
Storm Shield
Artificer Armor
Master of Sanctity 175pts
Bike
Storm Shield
Artificer Armor

Crusader Squad 86pts
Plasma Gun
Crusader Squad 86pts
Plasma Gun

Tech Marine 180pts
Servo Harness
Bike
Lightning Claw/Storm Shield
Terminator Honors
Tech Marine 180pts
Servo Harness
Bike
Lightning Claw/Storm Shield
Terminator Honors
Tech Marine 180pts
Servo Harness
Bike
Lightning Claw/Storm Shield
Terminator Honors

Bikers x5 251pts
Attack Bike: Multi-melta
Power Sword x2
Plasma Gun
Bikers x5 251pts
Attack Bike: Multi-melta
Power Sword x2
Plasma Gun
Bikers x5 251pts
Attack Bike: Multi-melta
Power Sword x2
Plasma Gun

Detachment: Captain 345pts
Bike
Artificer Armor
Lightning Claw/Combi-Plasma
Command Squad: Bikes
Storm Shields x2
Power Sword
Power Axe
Melta Gun x2
Detachment: Scouts x10 150pts

Detachment: Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta 50pts

timetowaste85 wrote:I do think that blob squads of BT got hit hard, but how about those bikes I mentioned before? 12" move, 2D6 charge, throw chaplains in and have +2 attacks for charge, plus re-rolls. Small squads that hit hard and ignore the panic checks for each wound caused. I do wanna try it. The list I'm thinking is as follows at 2500-tell me whatcha all think:
Emperor's Champion 140pts
Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds
Master of Sanctity 175pts
Bike
Storm Shield
Artificer Armor
Master of Sanctity 175pts
Bike
Storm Shield
Artificer Armor

Crusader Squad 86pts
Plasma Gun
Crusader Squad 86pts
Plasma Gun

Tech Marine 180pts
Servo Harness
Bike
Lightning Claw/Storm Shield
Terminator Honors
Tech Marine 180pts
Servo Harness
Bike
Lightning Claw/Storm Shield
Terminator Honors
Tech Marine 180pts
Servo Harness
Bike
Lightning Claw/Storm Shield
Terminator Honors

Bikers x5 251pts
Attack Bike: Multi-melta
Power Sword x2
Plasma Gun
Bikers x5 251pts
Attack Bike: Multi-melta
Power Sword x2
Plasma Gun
Bikers x5 251pts
Attack Bike: Multi-melta
Power Sword x2
Plasma Gun

Detachment: Captain 345pts
Bike
Artificer Armor
Lightning Claw/Combi-Plasma
Command Squad: Bikes
Storm Shields x2
Power Sword
Power Axe
Melta Gun x2
Detachment: Scouts x10 150pts

Detachment: Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta 50pts

That list looks deadly...

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:So no new Black Templars Codex but rather a Chapter Approved article adding Black Templars to Codex: Space Marines?

Yes. Rules for the basic units which represent the basic BT structure in the fluff then Helbrecht, Grimaldus and Emps Champ as special characters who let you field other units in different ways, just like how the special characters in the SM codex work.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:So if I get this correct: "I don't like your army and would rather see it rolled into another army so that the armies I like get more time."

Guess my reading comprehension is just fine.

Right? So the fact you have gathered the I have a dislike for black templars and that is what my opposition to them having a codex is based on comes from something I have said? Don't think so.

Fine, let me rephrase myself: "I don't think that Black Templars should have their own Codex and would rather have factions I like get more development time." That more like it?

Try "I don't think that Black Templars should have their own Codex and would rather non-marine factions got more share of development time."

Glorioski wrote:Try "I don't think that Black Templars should have their own Codex and would rather non-marine factions got more share of development time."

Like maybe a different Imperial Guard regiments per say? Each regiments had something to them? Just a thought.