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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 23:10:20
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Glorioski wrote: Clearly you don't and are having trouble. To put it plainly. The Emperor to people not to idolise him. Something which is impossible due to human nature. That is why the imperial truth was always doomed to fail. It's got nothing to do with anything you raise in your original post. On the contrary, it would have. The Iterators and the Remembrancers were keeping religion suppressed rather effectively along with 'suppression' action by the Imperial Army and Legio Astartes (until the Heresy broke out of course), but if thing went as planned - the Imperial Webway, scientific progress and Human psychic evolution - the Imperial Truth would have removed that out of the Human psyche.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 23:14:05
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Tadashi wrote:Glorioski wrote:
Clearly you don't and are having trouble.
To put it plainly. The Emperor to people not to idolise him. Something which is impossible due to human nature. That is why the imperial truth was always doomed to fail. It's got nothing to do with anything you raise in your original post.
On the contrary, it would have. The Iterators and the Remembrancers were keeping religion suppressed rather effectively along with 'suppression' action by the Imperial Army and Legio Astartes (until the Heresy broke out of course), but if thing went as planned - the Imperial Webway, scientific progress and Human psychic evolution - the Imperial Truth would have removed that out of the Human psyche.
Clearly not. Since the Lectitio Divinitatus was written by Lorgar before the heresy and was spread by the remembrancers. Lorgars idolisation of the Emperor was what started the heresy in the frst place. So you can't say 'it was alright until the heresy broke out' when it itself caused the heresy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 23:22:30
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Glorioski wrote:Tadashi wrote:Glorioski wrote:
Clearly you don't and are having trouble.
To put it plainly. The Emperor to people not to idolise him. Something which is impossible due to human nature. That is why the imperial truth was always doomed to fail. It's got nothing to do with anything you raise in your original post.
On the contrary, it would have. The Iterators and the Remembrancers were keeping religion suppressed rather effectively along with 'suppression' action by the Imperial Army and Legio Astartes (until the Heresy broke out of course), but if thing went as planned - the Imperial Webway, scientific progress and Human psychic evolution - the Imperial Truth would have removed that out of the Human psyche.
Clearly not. Since the Lectitio Divinitatus was written by Lorgar before the heresy and was spread by the remembrancers. Lorgars idolisation of the Emperor was what started the heresy in the frst place. So you can't say 'it was alright until the heresy broke out' when it itself caused the heresy.
No, NO, NO! Remembrancers were artists, historians, poets and sculptors, sent to record for posterity the achievements of the Great Crusade and to reflect the light of the Imperial Truth into the hearts and minds of people. That was Solomon Voss' petition to the Emperor and the Council of Terra to create the Imperial Order of Remembrancers. Kerrel was insane - had Horus been in his right mind, he would have had her mind-scrubbed/committed/ or even executed for adhering to proscribed religion. Lectitio Divinitatus was bitterly suppressed by the Imperium after Monarchia. It was only during the Horus Heresy did it start to make REAL headway against the Imperial Truth.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 23:27:03
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Tadashi wrote:Glorioski wrote:Tadashi wrote:Glorioski wrote:
Clearly you don't and are having trouble.
To put it plainly. The Emperor to people not to idolise him. Something which is impossible due to human nature. That is why the imperial truth was always doomed to fail. It's got nothing to do with anything you raise in your original post.
On the contrary, it would have. The Iterators and the Remembrancers were keeping religion suppressed rather effectively along with 'suppression' action by the Imperial Army and Legio Astartes (until the Heresy broke out of course), but if thing went as planned - the Imperial Webway, scientific progress and Human psychic evolution - the Imperial Truth would have removed that out of the Human psyche.
Clearly not. Since the Lectitio Divinitatus was written by Lorgar before the heresy and was spread by the remembrancers. Lorgars idolisation of the Emperor was what started the heresy in the frst place. So you can't say 'it was alright until the heresy broke out' when it itself caused the heresy.
No, NO, NO! Remembrancers were artists, historians, poets and sculptors, sent to record for posterity the achievements of the Great Crusade and to reflect the light of the Imperial Truth into the hearts and minds of people. That was Solomon Voss' petition to the Emperor and the Council of Terra to create the Imperial Order of Remembrancers. Kerrel was insane - had Horus been in his right mind, he would have had her mind-scrubbed/committed/ or even executed for adhering to proscribed religion. Lectitio Divinitatus was bitterly suppressed by the Imperium after Monarchia. It was only during the Horus Heresy did it start to make REAL headway against the Imperial Truth.
If the idolisation of the Emperor was being surpressed like you say, Lorgar would have never written the Lectitio Divinitatus and the heresy as we know it would have never happened. Since it is Lorgars idolisation of the emperor and subsequent dressing down for doing so which started the trail of events which lead to he and other Primarchs turning to chaos.
Idolisation is human nature, that is why the imperial truth was doomed to fail and that is exactly what happened.
You can't argue the imperial truth was sound when it caused it's own downfall. If you deny someone something it is in their nature to do it will breed bitterness, then resentment and eventual betrayal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 23:58:40
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Glorioski wrote:
If the idolisation of the Emperor was being surpressed like you say, Lorgar would have never written the Lectitio Divinitatus and the heresy as we know it would have never happened. Since it is Lorgars idolisation of the emperor and subsequent dressing down for doing so which started the trail of events which lead to he and other Primarchs turning to chaos.
The Lectitio Divinitatus was written long before Monarchia, that was why the worship of the Emperor had to be suppressed in the first place, because Lorgar had done something that would sabotage the Imperium's future. Look around the 41st Millennium. The Imperial Cult has ruined everything. Cathedral Worlds are hell compared even to a Forge or Hive World.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 05:56:10
Subject: Re:The Imperial Truth
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It's ok you guys are both right.
It's true humans need to worship something. The Imperial Truth was doomed to fail but that doesn't mean it was wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 06:00:41
Subject: Re:The Imperial Truth
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's ok you guys are both right.
It's true humans need to worship something. The Imperial Truth was doomed to fail but that doesn't mean it was wrong.
Not necessarily with the need. Before the Horus Heresy, so long as the Iterators and the Imperial Army/Legio Astartes kept things steady, people were content with the Imperial Truth.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 06:21:35
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Yes, when there is no crisis, people are not desperate for faith.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 06:24:50
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Manchu wrote:Yes, when there is no crisis, people are not desperate for faith.
Even in crisis, had the Legio Astartes stood firm, the Imperial Truth would have endured.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 06:27:51
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Only one of the Primarchs looked at the Warp in "superstitious" terms. None of the others worshiped the Ruinous Powers. Those who "stood firm" in the Imperial Truth before betraying the Emperor were still firmly power-mongering atheists after doing so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 06:39:43
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Manchu wrote:Only one of the Primarchs looked at the Warp in "superstitious" terms. None of the others worshiped the Ruinous Powers. Those who "stood firm" in the Imperial Truth before betraying the Emperor were still firmly power-mongering atheists after doing so.
Ahriman still believes in the Imperial Truth, or rather, the spirit of the old Imperium. He swore to get back everything lost at Tizca, and he'll never find the answer in Tzeentch and Chaos. Let him get to the Black Library, use it to go back in time, and prevent the Heresy from happening. Hmmm...I find my creativity sparking...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 09:04:20
Subject: Re:The Imperial Truth
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Tadashi, your argument is tainted by one of the warp's foulest corruption's... fanboyism.
WH40k is not a science fiction setting. It is a space fantasy setting. The Gods and Daemons of the warp have been firmly established as just that, gods and daemons since The Lost and The Damned came out in 1990.
The Imperial truth was a retcon shoehorned into the Horus Heresy series sixteen years later by BL authors. It doesn't even get a blurb in any of the rulebooks. Don't get me wrong, I think the first three Horus Heresy books are fantastic, but I think the tragedy of the Imperial Truth kinda went over your head. Not only did characters like Loken, Garro and Sinderman have to deal with the betrayal they faced from the traitors, they also had to deal with the very foundation of their belief system being turned upside down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 09:32:49
Subject: Re:The Imperial Truth
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Oakenshield wrote:Tadashi, your argument is tainted by one of the warp's foulest corruption's... fanboyism.
WH40k is not a science fiction setting. It is a space fantasy setting. The Gods and Daemons of the warp have been firmly established as just that, gods and daemons since The Lost and The Damned came out in 1990.
The Imperial truth was a retcon shoehorned into the Horus Heresy series sixteen years later by BL authors. It doesn't even get a blurb in any of the rulebooks. Don't get me wrong, I think the first three Horus Heresy books are fantastic, but I think the tragedy of the Imperial Truth kinda went over your head. Not only did characters like Loken, Garro and Sinderman have to deal with the betrayal they faced from the traitors, they also had to deal with the very foundation of their belief system being turned upside down.
Yes, well, the HH novels are the current canon for the Horus Heresy.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 13:49:40
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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It doesn't matter one way or another. The only traitors who don't subscribe to the Imperial Truth (the Word Bearers) didn't subscribe to it before their betrayal. I don't see Horus, Angron, Perturabo, Fulgrim, Magnus, Curze, Mortarion, or Alpahrius and Omegon worshiping Chaos. It doesn't seem like these guys started believing in gods and daemons in a religious sense after falling. So I guess the Imperial Truth is actually pretty meaningless one way or the other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 17:47:27
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Manchu wrote:The Gork and Mork deal is only known to Orks. And Orks' perception of reality can't actually be trusted.
Any more than, say, the Imperium's, or the Tau's, or Chaos? No one's perception of reality in 40k can technically be "trusted", especially when it comes to the Warp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 18:23:10
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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I'd say the idea that other species are aware of Four make their existence a bit less doubtful than the racial legends of the Orks and Eldar. For all we know, those pantheons might be dim memories of the Old Ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 19:41:32
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Manchu wrote:It doesn't matter one way or another. The only traitors who don't subscribe to the Imperial Truth (the Word Bearers) didn't subscribe to it before their betrayal. I don't see Horus, Angron, Perturabo, Fulgrim, Magnus, Curze, Mortarion, or Alpahrius and Omegon worshiping Chaos. It doesn't seem like these guys started believing in gods and daemons in a religious sense after falling. So I guess the Imperial Truth is actually pretty meaningless one way or the other.
They all fell in line behind Horus. He is the one who made the Heresy happen. Only conflict with Angron and Lorgar was inevitable. Horus was shown the future of an Imperium under the Ecclesiarchal faith and repulsed by that then became the head of one of the first Anti-Imperial-Cult cults. An anti-Imperial-Cult Cult that actually predated the Imperial Cult and whose evilness help develope and solidify the Imperial cult. Y'know, with the irony again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 19:43:27
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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He was still an atheist. As you said, he acted in revulsion against a distortion of the Imperial Truth. Rather than saving the galaxy, the so-called Imperial Truth played a pivotal role in the Horus Heresy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 19:46:10
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Manchu wrote:He was still an atheist. As you said, he acted in revulsion against a distortion of the Imperial Truth. Rather than saving the galaxy, the so-called Imperial Truth played a pivotal role in the Horus Heresy.
That doesn't make any sense. The Imperial Truth only played a role in his decision in that there was a lack of it.  It was the Ecclesiarchal Imperium that infuriated him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 19:49:59
Subject: Re:The Imperial Truth
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Yeah -- in other words, his devotion to the Imperial Truth is what motivated him to betray the Emperor.
 yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 19:59:39
Subject: Re:The Imperial Truth
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Manchu wrote:Yeah -- in other words, his devotion to the Imperial Truth is what motivated him to betray the Emperor.
 yourself.
I find that a weird way of looking at it. It was the introduction of the religon that actually caused the problem.
Of course what actually caused the problem was the Chaos Gods. The biggest mistake the Emperor ever made was the fact The Imperial Truth was "truthy" enough. He hid the true nature of the warp from those who should be his closest confidants: The Primarchs. He had explained who and what the four "Gods" are matter-of-factly (extradimensional aliens) much of this would have been avoided. The Primarchs would have been more prepared to combat them and their revelation wouldn't make the Emperor appear as a liar or ignorant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 20:08:22
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Horus was so committed to the Imperial Truth that he decided to betray the Emperor when some weird alien from another dimension that he knew nothing about told him that the Emperor would betray the Imperial Truth.
Simply put: it wasn't giving up on the Imperial Truth that started the Heresy. Quite the reverse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 20:14:07
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Manchu wrote:Horus was so committed to the Imperial Truth that he decided to betray the Emperor when some weird alien from another dimension that he knew nothing about told him that the Emperor would betray the Imperial Truth.
Simply put: it wasn't giving up on the Imperial Truth that started the Heresy. Quite the reverse.
Eh, it was more like the idea of people venerating The Emperor as a god made him sick, not a hardline dedication to atheism. If anyone was going to be worshipped it was him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 20:18:01
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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I didn't see that in the text. The text has him aghast that the Emperor lied to them about the Great Crusade and how all their effort was just to install the Emperor as some kind of hypocritical god.
Like I said, only Lorgar worshiped the Four -- but he had never been a believer in the Imperial Truth anyhow. In fact, Lorgar didn't fall because he believed in the Emperor. He fell because he stopped believing in the Emperor.
Meanwhile, the SoB are proof that faith actually protects against the Warp rather than helping it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 20:23:33
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Manchu wrote:I didn't see that in the text. The text has him aghast that the Emperor lied to them about the Great Crusade and how all their effort was just to install the Emperor as some kind of hypocritical god.
Like I said, only Lorgar worshiped the Four -- but he had never been a believer in the Imperial Truth anyhow. In fact, Lorgar didn't fall because he believed in the Emperor. He fell because he stopped believing in the Emperor.
Meanwhile, the SoB are proof that faith actually protects against the Warp rather than helping it.
Fine, but it is still the outrage at the hypocrisy (and it was a false hypocrisy) that drove it.
The SoB are proof in what way? The way Orks draw upon the power of Gork & Mork to WAAAGH! it up?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 20:29:03
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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The SoB are resistant to Chaos because of their faith.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 20:38:31
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Manchu wrote:The SoB are resistant to Chaos because of their faith.
Yes, but it's always more complicated than that. Their brutal application of their dogma causes them to burn out mutant ghettos and persecute people who don't subsribe to their Faith. These disenfranchised people usually end up in the arms of Chaos and their suffering fuels the Dark Gods too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 20:41:55
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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That's immaterial to the point at hand: Chaos has significantly less power over SoB than other humans (apparently including GK) and the only difference between SoB and other humans is their fanatical religious outlook. Ergo, faith is a shield against Chaos. OP seems to claim here that faith somehow powers the Ruinous Powers. And he also claims that the Emperor wanted to stop the Four by eliminating faith from human experience. But given the example of the Sisters, it seems like faith is actually what staves off the Chaos Gods. And lo and behold, the Horus Heresy happened and the Ecclesiarchy arose to promote just that ... almost as if by plan ...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 22:30:47
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Manchu wrote:That's immaterial to the point at hand: Chaos has significantly less power over SoB than other humans (apparently including GK) and the only difference between SoB and other humans is their fanatical religious outlook. Ergo, faith is a shield against Chaos. OP seems to claim here that faith somehow powers the Ruinous Powers. And he also claims that the Emperor wanted to stop the Four by eliminating faith from human experience. But given the example of the Sisters, it seems like faith is actually what staves off the Chaos Gods. And lo and behold, the Horus Heresy happened and the Ecclesiarchy arose to promote just that ... almost as if by plan ...
That is exactly the point at hand. Their faith is a shield against chaos and helps in a small picture but also persecutes people whose pain and suffering fuel Chaos in the big picture. Millions of people are hunted down like dogs so the Sisters can get an invul save. Which one do the dark gods really care more about?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/10 22:50:26
Subject: The Imperial Truth
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Manchu wrote:The SoB are resistant to Chaos because of their faith.
Which makes them a complete mockery of the Fallen Emperor's ideals and dreams.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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