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AegisGrimm wrote:The real hero's in that movie theater are the ones that helped other people get out to safety rather than just themselves.

Someday when/if the gak hits the fan I hope I can pull it together enough to help other people and not just panic.

Agreed.

Also, to another point, can we get like five of these nut-jobs together and send them on their way to congress? Holy gak, the day of the attack and they are already pulling out the "Oh he was registered as a Democrat" bull . Makes me feel sick to my stomach.....

That's because in most UK cities you can go about 5mph due to traffic ;D. I'll agree though that we have more gun and vehicles deaths. As a whole I'd even agree that Americans are more violent. I would also agree that on average an American is under more stress and has more chemicals self injected into it (fast food, pop, energy drinks, etc).

One thing that we do that I don;t know if the UK does is we go through painstaking means to make sure Darwins Law doesn't take effect and the stupid can't kill themselves off. There is some days i wish we didn't

Slarg232 wrote:Holy gak, the day of the attack and they are already pulling out the "Oh he was registered as a Democrat" bull . Makes me feel sick to my stomach.....

Where have you been all day? ABC News said he was with the Tea Party early on. Political partisans have been slinging mud at each other over this all day.

Breotan wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Holy gak, the day of the attack and they are already pulling out the "Oh he was registered as a Democrat" bull . Makes me feel sick to my stomach.....

Where have you been all day? ABC News said he was with the Tea Party early on. Political partisans have been slinging mud at each other over this all day.

I get up at 5 A.M. to get to work by 7:30 and work till 1:30 on a short day, then drive back.

Jihadin wrote:Olny thing I would really like for them to clear up since its on everyone minds without knowing. Do we actaully have a killer or a homegrown terrorist. Even though no connection to known terrorist grps doesn't mean he didn't doodle some crazy anti gov't crap in his apartment

Reports are saying he did his hair like the Joker and told police he was said Joker. I'm thinking nutjob.

Whats the population of the UK statistic by the way? The US has 320mm people.
How many stabbings? It would be interesting to compare the number of stabbings and aggravated assaults with weaponry as a comparison.
Do we really want to get into this on this thread?


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Also why is there no discussion of the tear gas? I don't think a tear gas bomb is exactly legal.

Frazzled wrote:

Jihadin wrote:Olny thing I would really like for them to clear up since its on everyone minds without knowing. Do we actaully have a killer or a homegrown terrorist. Even though no connection to known terrorist grps doesn't mean he didn't doodle some crazy anti gov't crap in his apartment

Reports are saying he did his hair like the Joker and told police he was said Joker. I'm thinking nutjob.

Definately nutjob... I've got friends/family in that area.

Let's take a deep breath, pray for the victims and let the authority sort this out... there's a lot of misinformation going around.

Whats the population of the UK statistic by the way? The US has 320mm people.
How many stabbings? It would be interesting to compare the number of stabbings and aggravated assaults with weaponry as a comparison.
Do we really want to get into this on this thread?

My 2 cents when comparing stats from one country vs. another... the methodology of "counting" stats between countries are different, so keep that in mind.

Also why is there no discussion of the tear gas? I don't think a tear gas bomb is exactly legal.

There are different kinds of tear gas... but, yes they're legal up to a certain size. (they are regulated at a state-by-state basis).

So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.

Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.

Nah, it's about normal: the media has passed from the "reporting the initial skimpy information" phase, and now they're in the "making gak up phase" since they have no real information to report.

In my experience with a large news event like this, you can't really read the news usefully for at least a day. The mandate was overturned, Giffords is dead, and so on; but hey, at least they reported it first right?

Also, 12 dead and 60 wounded? How the hell can you do that without an accomplice or an automatic weapon?? Incredible really.

Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.

Well not really.

Initial reports(and the majority of the reports the police have been passing along) had him simply dressed in all black.
A few of those reports mentioned Bane and the Joker, but not in the way that he was "dressed like him".

The majority of the reports of him in all black made note however of the fact that he had "no skin showing and a gas mask", but the few where the witnesses reported those two characters made it clear that they were referring to the SWAT team members on-screen during both kind of "confrontation" sequences who were wearing full tactical gear with helmet, kevlar, and gas masks/balacavas.

Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.

He wore a gasmask (perhaps resembling Bane's) and dyed his hair red while calling himself the Joker. I'm no comic book but, but I'm pretty sure he got the costume wrong.

As for my opinions on this: Don't go crying for gun control or blaming this party or that politician. This guy's tired of life and, before he goes, he wants to be known as a real-life comic book villain. He wants to be the next Eric Harris, the next Dylan Klebold. Egocentric acts of self-defeating destruction are not a right wing or left wing idea, it's just an elaborate form of suicide. He's miserable, that's all there is to it.
Don't eternally attach this guy to Batman, that's what he wants. Forget this man's name, don't call what happened the "dark knight shooting" and forget it ever happened (unless it personally affected you). Go out tomorrow, tonight, or head out right now and watch The Dark Knight Rises and form memories around the film that have nothing to do with this shooting.

Kanluwen wrote:

Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.

Well not really.

I saw a few that did, so, yes really. Several news sites used language along the lines of "wearing body armor and a gas mask like the villain in the movie, Bane". Just because you didn't read those stories early this morning doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Ahtman wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.

Well not really.

I saw a few that did, so, yes really. Several news sites used language along the lines of "wearing body armor and a gas mask like the villain in the movie, Bane". Just because you didn't read those stories early this morning doesn't mean they didn't happen.

I'm meaning more that there's a jumble of reports coming in.

The majority of the semi-"confirmed" statements(notably: that of the police) make no reference to him having anything tied to the characters in question.

People try to relate things that are unfamiliar to them to the familiar. In a dark theater, when you're affected by tear gas, a standard issue police gas mask might look very similar to the mask you just saw on screen.

Kanluwen wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.

Well not really.

I saw a few that did, so, yes really. Several news sites used language along the lines of "wearing body armor and a gas mask like the villain in the movie, Bane". Just because you didn't read those stories early this morning doesn't mean they didn't happen.

I'm meaning more that there's a jumble of reports coming in.

The majority of the semi-"confirmed" statements(notably: that of the police) make no reference to him having anything tied to the characters in question.

People try to relate things that are unfamiliar to them to the familiar. In a dark theater, when you're affected by tear gas, a standard issue police gas mask might look very similar to the mask you just saw on screen.

I didn't say that he was connected to the film or that even the stories were connecting it to the film, just that the stories used Bane as a descriptor. I found it odd early reports were using Bane to describe it, and later, the Joker.

Ahtman wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.

Well not really.

I saw a few that did, so, yes really. Several news sites used language along the lines of "wearing body armor and a gas mask like the villain in the movie, Bane". Just because you didn't read those stories early this morning doesn't mean they didn't happen.

I'm meaning more that there's a jumble of reports coming in.

The majority of the semi-"confirmed" statements(notably: that of the police) make no reference to him having anything tied to the characters in question.

People try to relate things that are unfamiliar to them to the familiar. In a dark theater, when you're affected by tear gas, a standard issue police gas mask might look very similar to the mask you just saw on screen.

I didn't say that he was connected to the film or that even the stories were connecting it to the film, just that the stories used Bane as a descriptor. I found it odd early reports were using Bane to describe it, and later, the Joker.

The Joker bit seems to be a new development.

Apparently, a "federal law enforcement source close to the investigation" informed news agencies that Holmes had dyed his hair red and told police upon his arrest that he was "The Joker".

Hadn't caught that bit yet, but there's going to clearly be a lot of developments coming.

Now this is really sad: http://news.sympatico.ctvnews.ca/home/colorado_shooting_victim_survived_toronto_eaton_centre_shooting/5ea17146

She barely avoided one tragic mass shooting, and ended up losing her life in another barely a month and a half later.

Experiment 626 wrote:Now this is really sad: http://news.sympatico.ctvnews.ca/home/colorado_shooting_victim_survived_toronto_eaton_centre_shooting/5ea17146

She barely avoided one tragic mass shooting, and ended up losing her life in another barely a month and a half later.

Wow, talk about bad luck.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:Now this is really sad: http://news.sympatico.ctvnews.ca/home/colorado_shooting_victim_survived_toronto_eaton_centre_shooting/5ea17146

She barely avoided one tragic mass shooting, and ended up losing her life in another barely a month and a half later.

Wow, talk about bad luck.

That really is gak fething luck.

You know, the number one thing I always tell people that is the best about spending years of your life living in gak as a soldier is that you really start appreciate the little things, cold water, hot showers, ice cream.. but most importantly, gak luck. Sometimes a battle leaves the best among you dead and the most incompetent still kicking.

Life is not cruel, its just cold, hard, and pitiless. gak happens, and its all dumb luck. YMMV, but that gak always made me feel way better about my life. Far more than any Religion could. gak happens, and gak happens to good people and good things happen to gak people.

Baby rapers can live to a hundred and I might get a brain tumour tomorrow, but isn't that more comfortable a thought than the fact that there is a grand plan but it involves you dying really young?!

Experiment 626 wrote:Now this is really sad: http://news.sympatico.ctvnews.ca/home/colorado_shooting_victim_survived_toronto_eaton_centre_shooting/5ea17146

She barely avoided one tragic mass shooting, and ended up losing her life in another barely a month and a half later.

I read about that, and was reminded of this guy. Granted, to a lesser extent.

Ouze wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:Now this is really sad: http://news.sympatico.ctvnews.ca/home/colorado_shooting_victim_survived_toronto_eaton_centre_shooting/5ea17146

She barely avoided one tragic mass shooting, and ended up losing her life in another barely a month and a half later.

I read about that, and was reminded of this guy. Granted, to a lesser extent.

That's insane. Two atomic bombs and he only dies from cancer in 2010. Man must have had the constitution of tempered steel.

reds8n wrote:

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

Way to blame the victim there.

.. I'm not entirely sure that more people firing -- bearing in mind the complete confusion, the darkness and that whole tear gas thing -- would really have helped matters here in any way whatsoever.

I stopped reading at "R-Texas".

Hey Frazz...when you go to the movies...how many attack weinres you have in your pants?

Jihadin wrote:unbelieveable. I stand a better chance here in getting kill then overseas....and I'm unarmed here

Want really bad odds, be a returning Native American vet in New York state. There you can look forward to being shot in the back of New York State Police, left to bleed out while the police refuse to allow medevac to treat you, and then your family can be told that all the police radio and vehicle recording have vanished, so there's no evidence of a crime.



That said, I feel sorry for the victims of this business and their families. Sadly, it sounds like this guy put some planning and effort into this pointless act.

Jihadin wrote:Hey Frazz...when you go to the movies...how many attack weinres you have in your pants?

His weiner is usually OUT of his pants in a movie theatre...

CT GAMER wrote:
I stopped reading at "R-Texas".

Nothing wrong with R-Texas. The problem is the 'politician' part. A finding a politician from Texas is like finding a Welshman with Berber Arabs. You know he's not really from around there.

BaronIveagh wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:
I stopped reading at "R-Texas".

Nothing wrong with R-Texas. The problem is the 'politician' part. A finding a politician from Texas is like finding a Welshman with Berber Arabs. You know he's not really from around there.

Finding a welshman anywhere outside of wales or the surrounding area is kinda weird...

CT GAMER wrote:

reds8n wrote:

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

Way to blame the victim there.

.. I'm not entirely sure that more people firing -- bearing in mind the complete confusion, the darkness and that whole tear gas thing -- would really have helped matters here in any way whatsoever.

I stopped reading at "R-Texas".

Yeah that's my interest about fethed as well by the T bit.

Sad incident. The scale of it is pretty scary. 71 people shot by one guy; 12 of them dead.

Some crazies out there.

Frazzled wrote:

Jihadin wrote:Olny thing I would really like for them to clear up since its on everyone minds without knowing. Do we actaully have a killer or a homegrown terrorist. Even though no connection to known terrorist grps doesn't mean he didn't doodle some crazy anti gov't crap in his apartment

Whats the population of the UK statistic by the way? The US has 320mm people.

You're right that a more apples-to-apples comparison would be the handgun fatality rate, rather than absolute numbers. According to..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

The US has the 12th highest rate of deaths from firearms, at 10.27/100,000 ; England/Wales is ~57th, with a rate of .46. So a rate about 5% of ours.

Frazzled wrote:[How many stabbings? It would be interesting to compare the number of stabbings and aggravated assaults with weaponry as a comparison.
Do we really want to get into this on this thread?

Those are two more legitimate questions. It would be an interesting comparison, but you're right that it's off-topic.

purplefood wrote:
Finding a welshman anywhere outside of wales or the surrounding area is kinda weird...

Eh, finding a Welshman isn't so odd outside Wales. Now, find a group of Irishmen when you need them and are not the one with the last three cases of stout stowed next to the shot locker, however...


(Also, god help the damn fool that shoots at the tank with the beer)


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Mannahnin wrote:
Also why is there no discussion of the tear gas? I don't think a tear gas bomb is exactly legal.

As far as I know, tear gas canisters are legal in most states, exceptions being California and New York, as they're non-lethal ordinance.

I don't think it was a military grade CS cannister. I could be wrong because "cannister" was mention in the news

Jihadin wrote:I don't think it was a military grade CS cannister. I could be wrong because "cannister" was mention in the news

Doesn't matter, even milspec CS is legal in most states. Michigan, Mass, Washington DC, New York, Cali and Wisconsin are the only states with laws on the books about pepper or tear gas at all. There are however, local ordinances.

I will point out though that using a triple indoors is considered 'excessive force' Mostly because it will burn the place down.