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Starfarer wrote:
Hey, sorry for the confusion, I meant Hobby Lobby, not Hobbytown. I spaced when posting that. Anyway, they promote themselves as a fundamentalist Christian organization, and I don't support companies that bring their personal religious beliefs into their business practices.

I've heard that their founder is a Christian, they play churchy music, and they're closed on sunday. That's about as religious as they get in my experience. Never been preached too or handed a tract there and their prices are good (love the weekly 40% off coupons).

No problems with Hobby Lobby here.

Eilif wrote:

Starfarer wrote:
Hey, sorry for the confusion, I meant Hobby Lobby, not Hobbytown. I spaced when posting that. Anyway, they promote themselves as a fundamentalist Christian organization, and I don't support companies that bring their personal religious beliefs into their business practices.

I've heard that their founder is a Christian, they play churchy music, and they're closed on sunday. That's about as religious as they get in my experience. Never been preached too or handed a tract there and their prices are good (love the weekly 40% off coupons).

No problems with Hobby Lobby here.

They promote their religion to their employees, and financially support other Christian organizations that are anti-gay. They may not be as vocal as chick-fil-a but they give money to hate based organizations which is just as bad in my book.

Starfarer wrote:

Eilif wrote:

Starfarer wrote:
Hey, sorry for the confusion, I meant Hobby Lobby, not Hobbytown. I spaced when posting that. Anyway, they promote themselves as a fundamentalist Christian organization, and I don't support companies that bring their personal religious beliefs into their business practices.

I've heard that their founder is a Christian, they play churchy music, and they're closed on sunday. That's about as religious as they get in my experience. Never been preached too or handed a tract there and their prices are good (love the weekly 40% off coupons).

No problems with Hobby Lobby here.

They promote their religion to their employees, and financially support other Christian organizations that are anti-gay. They may not be as vocal as chick-fil-a but they give money to hate based organizations which is just as bad in my book.

That's great and all but this is hardcore off topic from the thread. In either case I believe this thread has run its course, as these parts are definitely recasted. Although it might be worth having the thread open just so people can see how crazy recasters can be!

Thats an idea, have an 'ebay follies' thread as well as a 'recaster follies' thread.

Starfarer wrote:

They promote their religion to their employees, and financially support other Christian organizations that are anti-gay. They may not be as vocal as chick-fil-a but they give money to hate based organizations which is just as bad in my book.

I take it that you drive an electric car then? If not, then you are directly supporting hate groups that actively promote anti-gay hate that makes Chick-fil-a look like the Mother Teressa.

Palindrome wrote:Your fast food analogy is flawed as I don't give GW anything, I give the person who already bought the GW items money but that certainly doesn't mean that GW will see a penny of it.

A person buys a thing from a company. You then buy that thing from that person.

It doesn't matter if it's fast food or plastic space men.

By that "logic" I'm not giving money to GW at all. I'm giving money to the companies that manufacture/supply the plastic chips that go into their plastic, the companies that supply the various machinery that goes into their moulds, the companies that make the trucks and boats and shipping containers their products are moved in. In fact a lot of GW money really goes to oil/petroleum companies (plastic chips and shipping costs).

Debbin wrote:

Starfarer wrote:

They promote their religion to their employees, and financially support other Christian organizations that are anti-gay. They may not be as vocal as chick-fil-a but they give money to hate based organizations which is just as bad in my book.

I take it that you drive an electric car then? If not, then you are directly supporting hate groups that actively promote anti-gay hate that makes Chick-fil-a look like the Mother Teressa.

My point was that when I disagree with how a company operates strongly enough I don't support them in any fashion. I was taking issue with how the OP actively sought GW's downfall, yet still used their products. If you can point me to what oil companies actively and publicly promote an anti-gay agenda, I would be gladly research it. That being said, we are all consuming petroleum products through plastic usage regardless of I drove an electric car or no car at all.

Starfarer wrote: That being said, we are all consuming petroleum products through plastic usage regardless of I drove an electric car or no car at all.

I still disagree with your assessment of Hobby Lobby, but the above is an extremely good point!

nevermind, would probably derail thread more than it already has ... there is nothing to see here.

H.B.M.C. wrote:By that "logic" I'm not giving money to GW at all. I'm giving money to the companies that manufacture/supply the plastic chips that go into their plastic, the companies that supply the various machinery that goes into their moulds, the companies that make the trucks and boats and shipping containers their products are moved in. In fact a lot of GW money really goes to oil/petroleum companies (plastic chips and shipping costs).

Did you think you weren't?

GW takes a cut, but you already knew that.

I really do not comprehend the reason behind the recasting of these parts.
A person would have to make a mold for resins using the plastic as a master.
Then use a casting in resin as the master for the rubber mold used for metals.

FYI, the plastics will not survive the vulcanization process used in creating molds for metals,
so you would need the intermediary material of resin, which can.
This is why you never see "greens" of new sculpts with plastic parts.

That is a ton of work, for very little tangible return.
I think most people would have stopped at creating molds for casting resin.
It really would seem to be that someone had the facilities and supplies and decided to see if they could do it.

FYI, the plastics will not survive the vulcanization process used in creating molds for metals,

Not true.
I know for a fact that the plastics used in both current and older GW miniantures will indeed survive the heat and vulcanization process. As I have stated before, I have a friend who owns a small jewelry caster and we've made molds of plastic parts for conversion work and to provide replacements for oft missing parts. For example I have a mold of the RT era chaos backpacks as these are very often mssing from figures bought on the second hand market. So I have a good working knowledge of small scale casting. There is no need to a make a resin master. One could mold directly from the plastic parts.

For what it's worth, I have shown these to my friend with the caster and he was of the opinion that it was a silly waste to cast up the marines like that. Assuming the caster who produced these was using a small caster rather than a big professional machine, it would take at least two molds to produce these. That's alot of work to produce each model, and thus would not be practical.

Now two quick points on the off-topic fun. These will be my last words on these particular subjects on this thread.

Starfarer- Like so many other leftists you are guilty here of using "hate" simply to mean "an opinion/view I disagree with". But you guys do love to throw around your over-used emotional buzz-words, don't you?
By the by, I had Chick-Fil-A for breakfast on Saturday morning after work. It's nice to see a major company like them standing up the bully tactics of the hand wringing left, and promoting traditional conservative values. So I've been throwing a little extra business their way the last few months. They are also pretty tasty...if at bit pricey compared to other fast foods.

And finally....

The MPAA and the RIAA are two horrendous organisations that overinflate everything they do and sue people for millions and millions over "lost income" for a few MP3's. I find their litigious actions deplorable if not outright dishonest... so should I swear off buying music and movies for the rest of time? What about a more simple example than "diamond terrorist groups" (Jesus... )... there are some actors that I really don't like (Random Example: Colin Ferrel). I can still enjoy movies that they're in, can't I (Random Example: Phone Booth)? I should I stop watching them, because to do otherwise would demonstrate a "lack of conviction"?

Good examples.
I might add the following as well. Here in the US, the media as a whole and Hollywood and the Television industry in particular by in large have a leftist bias and push leftist ideas. As a poltiical and social conservative, I of course object to that. But if I boycotted every movie or TV show that was produced by, featured someone, or pushed an idea I did not care for, I would quickly find myself unable to turn on the TV (not that I watch much TV...if I watch more than one or two hours a week, it;'s unusual) or be able to take Mrs Trench Raider out to our customary dinner and a movie "date night". Instead I've developed the skill of seperating the art from the artist. The same can be said for my relationship with GW. I hate the company, but enjoy their game. The difference between this and say, movies is that I can enjoy playing 40k while still giving GW no money directly.

TR

Trench-Raider wrote:Starfarer- Like so many other leftists you are guilty here of using "hate" simply to mean "an opinion/view I disagree with". But you guys do love to throw around your over-used emotional buzz-words, don't you?
By the by, I had Chick-Fil-A for breakfast on Saturday morning after work. It's nice to see a major company like them standing up the bully tactics of the hand wringing left, and promoting traditional conservative values. So I've been throwing a little extra business their way the last few months. They are also pretty tasty...if at bit pricey compared to other fast foods.

No sir, an opinion one disagrees with is far different than denying someone their civil rights for no reason outside of a religious context. Religion is a protected freedom in this country, and whether one agrees with it or not, individuals are allowed to segregate and regulate their religious groups in any manner in which they see fit. However, that freedom does not extend to using said religion to deny individuals rights freely granted by the state to all other citizens, and there has never been any logical, unbiased and researched argument offered as to how the denying of homosexuals equal civil rights will negatively impact the functioning of the state. Without that, said actions are the definition of discriminatory, and however one wants to refer to them (as 'hate' or otherwise) does nothing to change them from anything but a defining example of discrimination.

Can a business contribute its capital to discriminatory groups, legally yes they can in this country, but they must accept the label their actions dictate and not hide behind kind synonyms like 'conservative values'. If companies support a textbook definition of discrimination, and if they truly believe in it, they should not be offended when it is called as such and they also should not be surprised when others of opposing viewpoints have a visceral reaction to it.

@Starfarer - I applaud your efforts, and I also applaud keeping a civil tone in a conversation such as this which is always difficult.

This has gone all off topic.