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I dunno, testify. People don't mind when you mess with people as much as they mind when you mess with animals.

Unless they're sheep?

The animals, I mean.

Well, possibly also the people.

But mostly the animals.

Manchu wrote:You know, you'll hear that someone hates Paris Hilton because she doesn't do anything but be rich and how is that enough to be famous. Or you'll hear that someone hates Justin Bieber because his music is bland and generic and certainly not worthy of all the praise it gets. So people have their reasons.

I guess what confuses me about that is that you don't have to listen to or watch either of them if they don't appeal to you.

I'm not a fan of either of those two people you mentioned, but I'm not angry at them about it.

None of the above matters, frankly. In death we are all equal... It doesn't matter how famous you were, Kobe Bryant would be just another person when he is lying on his death bed, gak scared because he knows what's going to happen. Having all that fame and money is meaningless when your breathing your last.....you are as helpless as a newborn babe when the Man in the Cape and Scythe comes calling.....

In my job I come across death on a weekly basis. When your gasping your last it matters not who or what you have done during your lifetime.

Monster Rain wrote:I guess what confuses me about that is that you don't have to listen to or watch either of them if they don't appeal to you.

I'm not a fan of either of those two people you mentioned, but I'm not angry at them about it.

That's kind of a weird way to look at it, as if celebrities are like annoying distant relatives that you can just skip visiting on holidays.

Nope, celebrities are much more like your close relatives that you can't get rid of no matter what. Everywhere you go, there they are. For a while, you try to ignore them. But Bieber's always screaming in your ear and Paris is flashing her lady parts up in your face. It gets a bit grating.

The only Bieber song I've heard is Baby. How is it that you are hearing so much Bieber Manchu?

edit: And I'm pretty sure that's because of a Cleveland Show episode about him IIRC

Amaya wrote:How is it that you are hearing so much Bieber Manchu?

I exist in America.

Yeah, I've never heard a Beiber song in my life (at least not in its entirety, some people have tried to beiber-roll me).

Although I have heard the TF2 parodies of them.

Manchu wrote:

Amaya wrote:How is it that you are hearing so much Bieber Manchu?

I exist in America.

As do I...you must be in an infested state.

Manchu wrote:

Amaya wrote:How is it that you are hearing so much Bieber Manchu?

I exist in America.

So do I, but still the only place I've heard Beiber talked about is on the internet.

By the way, I couldn't name a single song by him, even though I regularly see his face on everything around me at stores, on TV, in magazines and advertisements, so by naming even one of them it seems like you're proving my point ...

That is pretty weird, Manchu.

I guess the Sirius stations I listen to don't play beiber, nor does the History Channel or Sportscenter show Paris Hilton.

Maybe you should watch less Nick Jr. and listen to less Radio Disney...

Melissia wrote:the only place I've heard Beiber talked about is on the internet.

I don't think that reflects reality. Well, it could but "basement-dwelling" and all that are mean phrases to throw around.

Manchu wrote:

Melissia wrote:the only place I've heard Beiber talked about is on the internet.

I don't think that reflects reality. Well, it could but "basement-dwelling" and all that are mean phrases to throw around.

Manchu, don't be a dick.

I'm a college student and I've worked for most of my life, as well. Still haven't heard anyone outside of the internet talk about Beiber.

Maybe it's just your state. Ain't no Beiber craze here in Texas.

kronk wrote:Maybe you should watch less Nick Jr. and listen to less Radio Disney...

Or not go out, or not turn on the TV to anything but the Old Fart Conspiracy History Channel, or go to stores or other public places, or listen to the radio (you know, the regular radio that plays stuff other than what I explicitly choose), etc, etc, etc.

Seriously, you guys are acting like you've been living in caves on Mars.


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Melissia wrote:Manchu, don't be a dick.

Melissia, don't be a liar.

Why would anyone willingly listen to the radio?

I'm just yanking your chain Manchu. *bro hug*

I don't listen to terrestrial radio (Howard Stern's term...) nor watch much TV, but I can name a couple Beiber songs and have seen Paris' sexcapades tape...

Seriously, Manchu? Is THAT what you're going with?

You're greatly exaggerating your experiences in order to have an excuse to spaz out in this thread. Just because I'm willing to call you out on your immaturity doesn't mean I'm lying.

I think the real question is, has anyone not seen Paris' sex tape...

Wait, which one?

Lol. No, you're obviously right. The celebrities never appear anywhere in public culture. You have to track them down for sure.

Manchu wrote:Lol. No, you're obviously right. The celebrities never appear anywhere in public culture. You have to track them down for sure.

Strawman argument.

Try to not fail at logic, Manchu.

Saying you exaggerated your experiences does not equal to saying it never happens, ever, no matter what, and you fething god damned well know it.

Melissia wrote:Wait, which one?

There's more than one? Man I AM out of the loop.

Manchu wrote:Lol. No, you're obviously right. The celebrities never appear anywhere in public culture. You have to track them down for sure.

Or maybe you could just untwist your undergarments and go on with your life. No reason to cry because the Kardashians are everywhere.

Amaya wrote:

Melissia wrote:Wait, which one?

There's more than one? Man I AM out of the loop.

According to the various porn spam emails I got before I used gmail, celebrity sex tapes are about as common as oxygen.

Melissia wrote:Strawman argument.

Incorrect but points for kneejerk speed.

Melissia wrote:The rabid defense of celebrities amuses me to no end with how sad it is.

See, maybe I haven't read them all, has anyone actually rabidly defended any celebrities?!

Vick is a total dirtbag, If I got one of his shirts for free I wouldnt even ebay it, Id burn the fether. And I think the OP is getting stressed for no reason, because I think 99% of people wont buy the fethers shirts because people DONT forgive him!

But what Dogma said was still correct.

You can see the obvious and irrefutable logic in something (celebrities are more important than tramps) without defending celebrities. They are more important because they pay more taxes, because more people would mourn them, because more people know their name, because more people will go to their funeral, because they give bigger tips to waiters, any number of reasons!

I don't think anyone has said Vick is a nice guy/SHOULD act like a dick have they? I certainly didn't anyway!

I mean, Jesus.. Nobody is less interested in celebs than me.. I even hate the ones I like! Its just hard to argue with the logic.

For example, I like U2, I fething hate Bono. But its clearly obvious WHY Bono thinks he is a God.. its because millions of sad bastards fawn over him! Isn't it obvious? I wouldn't ask for his autograph, I wouldn't even speak to him if he sat next to me on the fething train! But I bet he gets asked every single day of the year. Everywhere he goes sad bastards tell him how awesome he is, no wonder it goes to his head. I'm confident and a tiny bit self important because over the years plenty of women have came onto me in bars and said "You are really nice looking" so I think I am pretty good looking. Imagine how I would be if ten women said that to me every single pub I went to? Can you blame someone for thinking they are awesome when they are endlessly informed just how awesome they are by tens and thousands of people?

Im not defending Vick, Im not saying I would be a dick If I was famous, I'm just saying what Dogma said is right because it is perfectly understandable and logical.

[edit: screw it, I'm pming this.]

Melissia wrote:the only place I've heard Beiber talked about is on the internet.

Manchu wrote:Lol. No, you're obviously right. The celebrities never appear anywhere in public culture. You have to track them down for sure.

No strawman.

If an equal number of people think you are a loud-mouther idiot, then on balance you end up a well-rounded human being. So it's all good.

Reinvention is a key part of the American Dream. A lot of people went to the USA to start a new life, and so on.

That said, we see similar redemption stories in Japan, but it is more to do with fitting back into what proper society says you should be doing.