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frogy27 wrote:
I will never make my own models i will not wreck a model to build hydra and our any model so you limited to whatit you can field from gw very limited. as to what they give you like. all the artillery the y say you can use but don't give you that many models. so what they in codex to look cool.

Then your solution is an Aegis Defense Line. $30 for the kit, 100 points for the line with a quad gun -- it also has interceptor, so it fires on tanks at full BS[read: it also pops tanks!]

What are you hoping to get out of this? A magic redact of flyer rules, or reasonable options to combat them? You've already been given the second, over and over again.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
You should play Orks. Then your horrible grammar would be fluffy and cute instead of headache inducing.

Thank you, no. He should probably just stick to Monopoly.

Seriously, Froggy, you don't like modeling, you don't like playing by the rules (because you haven't read them), are you *sure* you aren't just playing army men with Citadel miniatures?

Flyers aint so bad. They are good for 2 to 3 turns in the game but the other turns they are not there.

frogy27 wrote:
Hydras can't hit flyers in less you get sixes sothey ant that good. and i will not get a flyer just to fit in as i no you you have to run them for your army to be any good. also the hole objective games are points less. if you get tabled you lose it easier to do that then take objective. air power really helps if you want to table people and just out right win games. big reason i want do trounys any more all about how fast you can table your opponent. not how many objectives you got. seems that a game that should be fun and friendly is very way opposite it all about wining and bashing the hell out of peoples armys.

If your gaming group has shifted toward WAAC games, then why dont you try and find a new circle to play in?
when the Meta in your area shifts, or in this case the meta for the game as a whole has shifted toward flyers a bit, then you need to learn to adapt to it. This is how 40k has worked since its inception.
I bring a single Nephilim (not even a great flier) and a single ADL and Quad in most of my lists. That can handle most peoples air power. I havent come up against Vendetta spam etc yet, as im lucky. In my area people use a flier or 2 as air support yes, but that is about the extent of it.

It does seem like you just need to adapt your play style to take on fliers as well. You said you have a Hydra. That is great anti air! its a moving quad gun! IG are not stuck for anti air.


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frogy27 wrote:
I will never make my own models i will not wreck a model to build hydra and our any model so you limited to whatit you can field from gw very limited. as to what they give you like. all the artillery the y say you can use but don't give you that many models. so what they in codex to look cool.

What are you talking about? Converting is part of this hobby for a lot of people. And a lot of codexes (or should it be codices here?) still have units in them which have no GW model. So buck up and build one. People have already given you a simple conversion for a hydra.
Everyone in this thread is trying to help you, and indeed has helped you, despite your unwillingness to accept our suggestions. If you really cant take any of this on board, then you are a lost cause.

If you are too stubborn and foolish to take advice on how to resolve all these problems you are whining about., then I think you may need to leave 40k alone. You and it are not destined to be together.

I'm not saying its a guarantee or anything, but most other eldar players I know consider the 3 scatter walkers a must have. 24 str6 shots with re-rolls has a pretty good shot at glancing an AV 12 flier to death. That being said, hopefully this fall we will get something designed to do it better.

And back on topic for the OP, there have been alot of great suggestions listed here... and with out knowing what you already own, I doubt you will get anything better. The defense line seems like the best and cheapest option to me.

No offence to the op but you seem like the kind of person who would call any army which gave them a curb stomping cheesey. If you think you have problems with fliars oh boy prey to god that you never face a daemon army which fields a miniumum of 5 flying monstrous creatures. Also the fact your complaining about anti air makes me LOL as I have said I am planning to start a eldar force yet do you see me bitching about how Eldar have nothing with Skyfire and dont have a flier of their own in their own codex yet? no as I get on with it. Heck I play a fluffy word bearers chaos space marine army along with a fluffy thousand sons one. You feel fliers make your life hard in ga,me try playing a pure 1k son list

I wanted to write a coherent and persuasive reply, but the OP's clearly foreign grammar and the consequent language barrier dissuaded me.

Sufficient to say, when flyers are abused they are broken, when they're done in good taste they're very cool.

Nothing is worse than a Daemon army. That is all.

You really want to know what is killing 40k?

The internet.

The IG have the best AAA platforms in the game and you are getting tabled by air power?
Just because a kit doesn't exist doesn't mean you can't use it, hell even if a kit of it does exist you don't have to use it.
Take my Hydras.

The first two images are of A-ko and B-ko. They used to counts as LRBT Exterminators (untill A later heavy battle sentinel was built). The kit is was cheap and with a bit of plascard, some bits from the bitz boxz you have a very cool looking unit (I always tell folks that they are Hydras and the nod after going "COOL!").
The second two images are of my Hydra called "Lead Slinger" built to look like what is in the codex. Its only used in 1000pts games where the points matter.
Adapt or die, tiss the way of life and war.

frogy27 wrote:
I will never make my own models i will not wreck a model to build hydra

So you refuse to buy the FW model.

You refuse to kitbash your own, like hundreds of IG players everywhere have done

and then you complain that you can't use hydras?

Is this serious?

That is a pretty killer home brew job Ribon.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
You really want to know what is killing 40k?

The internet.

This is very nearly sig worthy

I have no idea how to build any thing but what comes in the box. like how do people get all them different types of tanks ,vets ,stormtroops and all that other artillery .as the don't make models for them and i ant got British money so can't get fw models
if there not a model. for it you can't use that unit

frogy27 wrote:
I have no idea how to build any thing but what comes in the box.

You have to try. You take parts, and scraps of stuff you have around the house, glue it together, and make it look like a model. This is totally allowed in the rules.

like how do people get all them different types of tanks ,vets ,stormtroops and all that other artillery .as the don't make models for them

Well, veterans just use regular IG models, stormtroopers have their own models by GW, and artillery is bought from FW or made from scratch.

and i ant got British money so can't get fw models

I have never had a british dollar ever. The beauty of the internet, is you can buy things that cost British money with American money. The computer changes your American money into British money when you make the purchase. You never even have to touch a British dollar (and thank goodness, amirite?)

if there not a model. for it you can't use that unit

This is not true. Whoever told you this is a liar.

-TheCaptain

 monolythic wrote:
I wanted to write a coherent and persuasive reply, but the OP's clearly foreign grammar and the consequent language barrier dissuaded me.

He's actually apparently an American.

I bought a Talon the day it came out. Love it. Bought a Raven two weeks ago, when the CH kit gets installed I will love it. When I finally play with them, Im sure I will love them. 40K lives on.

And that my friends was my contribution to this thread. Good day.

frogy27 wrote:
and i ant got British money so can't get fw models

Annnnd I'm done with this thread. Welcome to Ignoreland

If you are having problems building kits, then look on youtube, or take up heroclix. If you are super desperate, look on ebay for the hydra kit, or even buy a generic AA WWII gun platform for 10 bucks.

Oh dear does this guy not realise you can use most currency to buy FW. Seriously guys lets not feed this troll let him slink back to his lair just because his gaming group consistantly kick his ass. Maybe he will eventually man up grow a back bone and actually convert his own Hydra.

Captaintyrius wrote:
Oh dear does this guy not realise you can use most currency to buy FW. Seriously guys lets not feed this troll let him slink back to his lair just because his gaming group consistantly kick his ass. Maybe he will eventually man up grow a back bone and actually convert his own Hydra.

This seems a little excessively aggressive.

Your stubborn refusal to accept any helpful suggestions has made it clear that you are beyond helping, frogy. So I only returned to this thread to see what new deranged forms of the english language you would invent, and then you provided this gem:

frogy27 wrote:
i ant got British money so can't get fw models

I...words almost fail me...at first I simply thought you didn't really have a firm understanding of 40k, but the problem is clearly much deeper than that. I tried to imagine what the world must look like through your eyes, but I had to stop myself for fear that I might never again find my way out of that rabbit hole with my sanity intact.

It does amuse me, though, that he capitalized "British".

If one thing can be said about the lad, it is that he respects proper nouns.

And what's wrong withuse the term British money and i believe that you need British money to get fw

frogy27 wrote:
i believe that you need British money to get fw

Whoever told you this is lying.

You can use American money.

Maybe if you read all of the posts, you would have learned that already.


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 TheCaptain wrote:

and i ant got British money so can't get fw models

I have never had a british dollar ever. The beauty of the internet, is you can buy things that cost British money with American money. The computer changes your American money into British money when you make the purchase. You never even have to touch a British dollar.

We're all trying ridiculously hard to help you, but you have to read our posts and listen to what advice we are giving you.

I play daemons. I have 0 shooting in my army, and nothing in my army can hurt flyers.

And I don't care in the slightest, because i'm killing their army faster than they can kill mine, even with flyers.

(No, I don't spam flamers/screamers)

Yes, some flyers are tragic for AP3, but surely that's a wake-up call that you shouldn't rely entirely on power armour? Maybe it's time to start using cover as marines? Or in the case of the chaos space marine flyer...it's rear armour is low, if it vector strikes over you, it's pointing it's big rocket butt at you as it goes past, and even bolter's can glance that to death

Captaintyrius wrote:
Oh dear does this guy not realise you can use most currency to buy FW. Seriously guys lets not feed this troll let him slink back to his lair just because his gaming group consistantly kick his ass. Maybe he will eventually man up grow a back bone and actually convert his own Hydra.

I just think he is young, very young.

Two things.
One: frogy27, could you please try to use proper grammar in your posts? Some of us are getting headaches, and our brains shut off after the first line of poor writing.

Two: If someone's bringing 3 flyers at 1k points, they'll not be getting objectives. They're looking to table you.
how to counter that you ask? The answer is simple. Either find overhead cover in terrain (like ruins), or spam troops to chuck at the objectives.
My CSM army can spit out well over 40 marines at a time in a game, and if you sit them in cover with some weapon upgrades and take potshots at the very few troops the enemy will have, you'll win.

Haha, as a dark eldar player I can just say that the general best awnser for good anti air is to keep moving. Flyers have rubbish mobillaty while dark eldars have quite a lot. What army do you play anyway? Orks would not mind a flyer, there are just so many orks. Do you just sit back and get shot at like a shooting gallery?

frogy27 wrote:
And what's wrong withuse the term British money and i believe that you need British money to get fw

You believe wrongly mate. Forgeworld ship overseas, and online transactions automatically exchange currency so you dont need 'British money'. And its the Pound by the way, not a British dollar

 Niiai wrote:
Haha, as a dark eldar player I can just say that the general best awnser for good anti air is to keep moving. Flyers have rubbish mobillaty while dark eldars have quite a lot. What army do you play anyway? Orks would not mind a flyer, there are just so many orks. Do you just sit back and get shot at like a shooting gallery?

Orks have the best troop spam! If you aim to use all 6 slots, the rage the enemy will have against you would be exquisite!

1k points anti-triple-flyer troll army:

HQ: Big Mek w/ KFF (85pts)

Troops: 30x Ork boyz w/ shootaz, 3 rokkits (210pts)
Troops: 30x Ork boyz w/ shootaz, 3 rokkits (210pts)
Troops: 30x Ork boyz w/ shootaz, 3 rokkits (210pts)
Troops: 30x Ork boyz w/ shootaz, 3 rokkits (210pts)
Troops: 11x Ork Boyz w/ shootaz, 1 rokkit (76pts)

Total: 1001 pts

Just put the mek in one of the large boyz mobs, put the rest in cover, and keep them spread out to avoid death by pie plate!