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We already know the answer to this.

Guilliman reconquered the Imperium in seven years during the Scouring.

Great Crusade takes 200?

Pfft. Ain't Noboute got time for that.

Then he goes on to be the first (and only) Lord Commander of the Imperium, which was essentially Warmaster, but all politically correct. Like Department of Defense as opposed to Department of War. The idea of Guilliman being uncharismatic and unsuited for the role of Warmaster is a fan idea, not something actually supported by the fluff.


Johnson is a fairly comical choice though. He's paranoid, delusional, and clearly unhinged. He might have been a brilliant tactician, but he'd have ripped the Legions apart. He was barely competent to lead the Dark Angels, let alone the entirety of the Imperium's military might.


As far as the modern one, Calgar is described as "an inspiring commander and one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians". Dante is probably equitable in terms of skill and knowledge, but Calgar has the advantage of being an Ultramarine, and thus the genetic relationship with more than 60% of all Space Marine chapters. The Blangels successors are likely less than 5%.

Creed is a fairly good choice too. But I feel like a Space Marine commander would have more clout and presence.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Dante is probably equitable in terms of skill and knowledge, but Calgar has the advantage of being an Ultramarine

Yes.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Dante is probably equitable in terms of skill and knowledge, but Calgar has the advantage of being an Ultramarine

Yes.

That’s definitely a yes.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:


Then he goes on to be the first (and only) Lord Commander of the Imperium, which was essentially Warmaster, but all politically correct. Like Department of Defense as opposed to Department of War. The idea of Guilliman being uncharismatic and unsuited for the role of Warmaster is a fan idea, not something actually supported by the fluff.

Guilliman also didn't have as many people to ignore him after the Heresy. I never said he was uncharismatic, it seems that alot of the primarchs disliked him because of his strict adherence to his tactical doctrine. We know for a fact that Lorgar and Alpharius never would have accepted his choice and Horus Rising shows that both Angron and Perturabo were enraged that Horus was chosen other them. The situation would not have changed if Guilliman was chosen instead. Four primarchs who would not have listened to his commands means that Gulliman could not have operated as effectively as Horus managed to.

Seems like everyone has a lot of opinions on this subject. lol. Everyone is making very strong points about everything though so it's good to read through them all.

VensersRevenge wrote:
Guilliman also didn't have as many people to ignore him after the Heresy. I never said he was uncharismatic, it seems that alot of the primarchs disliked him because of his strict adherence to his tactical doctrine. We know for a fact that Lorgar and Alpharius never would have accepted his choice and Horus Rising shows that both Angron and Perturabo were enraged that Horus was chosen other them. The situation would not have changed if Guilliman was chosen instead. Four primarchs who would not have listened to his commands means that Gulliman could not have operated as effectively as Horus managed to.

Yeah, but Lorgar was a scrub. He was the weakest of the Primarchs, and by the time the Warmaster was chosen, he was long on the way to corruption anyway. What he would or would not have done is somewhat irrelevant.

As far as Alpharius goes, it really depends. Warmaster wasn't about micromanaging the Crusade. It was just about being the overall strategic director. Guilliman disapproved of Alpharius's style of warfare as wasteful, but he also showed that he was willing and able to work with any and all of his brothers and their limitations. Alpharius would have likely brooked no complaint so long as he was left more or less to his own devices.

And despite being angry, Angron and Perturabo still followed Horus. So your "Four primarchs who would not have listened to his commands" is really only one. Lorgar. Not a huge loss. The Emperor scrubbed two Legions. A third wouldn't have been a huge loss.

VensersRevenge wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:


Then he goes on to be the first (and only) Lord Commander of the Imperium, which was essentially Warmaster, but all politically correct. Like Department of Defense as opposed to Department of War. The idea of Guilliman being uncharismatic and unsuited for the role of Warmaster is a fan idea, not something actually supported by the fluff.

Guilliman also didn't have as many people to ignore him after the Heresy. I never said he was uncharismatic, it seems that alot of the primarchs disliked him because of his strict adherence to his tactical doctrine. We know for a fact that Lorgar and Alpharius never would have accepted his choice and Horus Rising shows that both Angron and Perturabo were enraged that Horus was chosen other them. The situation would not have changed if Guilliman was chosen instead. Four primarchs who would not have listened to his commands means that Gulliman could not have operated as effectively as Horus managed to.

Are you sure about the Horus Rising bit? Angron didn't give a gak about being Warmaster, he just didn't want yet another guy giving him orders. Perturabo is inconsistent. I do recall the Lion being all butthurt about it.

Yes. I checked it is in there. I would quote the page number but I don't have the book with me now.

40k Dante
30k Magnus (because he's compatible with the throne), Sanguinius, Fulgrim (the imperium would have become perfect)

BaconUprising wrote:
40k Dante
30k Magnus (because he's compatible with the throne), Sanguinius, Fulgrim (the imperium would have become perfect)

I'm not too sure about Fulgrim honestly. I think he would be TOO busy trying to obtain perfection and less time bringing compliance at that point. lol

More of a joke idea but imagine if he succeeded. The imperium would be amazing!

BaconUprising wrote:
More of a joke idea but imagine if he succeeded. The imperium would be fabulous!

Fized that.

Haha

I think Alpharius and Omegon would have led and endured for a very long time. They seem to be less short-sighted than all the rest.

And truthfully the imperium of man being lawful neutral. Rowboat Guilliman would be my 30k choice besides the twins. He just didnt make errors and always utilized what he had to the best of it's ability.

The twins ability to look into the future and think about whats ahead set them apart and if they came to power. They would force respect quickly but behind the scenes style.


40k. . . . Probably Logan Grimnar the old wolf is all knowing and the imperium should just drop their beef with the canis gene. Dogs are loyal. Space puppies are loyal

BaconUprising wrote:
More of a joke idea but imagine if he succeeded. The imperium would be amazing!

lol. true, if it ever got around to working.

 Koski wrote:
40k. . . . Probably Logan Grimnar the old wolf is all knowing and the imperium should just drop their beef with the canis gene. Dogs are loyal. Space puppies are loyal

Dogs serve, protect, fetch, and affectionately lick you silly. They do not lead.

Horus was a Wolf.

Logan is an Alpha Wolf. Alpha Wolves lead.

30k Sanguinius, like someone else said even Horus thought it should of been him.
40k Dante, he is by far the most experienced of all the current chapter master's.

Althought I might be a little biased...

Or grimnar which is not biased as I usually hate space wolves...

King Pariah wrote:

 Koski wrote:
40k. . . . Probably Logan Grimnar the old wolf is all knowing and the imperium should just drop their beef with the canis gene. Dogs are loyal. Space puppies are loyal

Dogs serve, protect, fetch, and affectionately lick you silly. They do not lead.

Deadshot wrote:Horus was a Wolf.

Logan is an Alpha Wolf. Alpha Wolves lead.

Expanding on what I've already said, the Warmaster isn't a leader, he's a protector. The Emperor is the leader, the High Lord's his Regents. The Warmaster is designed to protect the Imperium, if need be, as it was during the time of Horus, by preemptive asskickery.

Not Post-Heresy. To avoid giving another man as much power as Horus had, this post has been bumped down to a sort of "High General" who takes overall command of all Imperial assets in a particularly important warzone where internecine rivalry between the various factions cannot be tolerated.

Usually it is the High Lords who appoint someone to this position, but if the situation is particularly grim, the representatives of the various armies may gather for a council to elect someone to this position, as was the case with Yarrick on Armageddon.

Which is also why it is unthinkable that a Space Wolf would ever be voted into this office. Their stubborn and antagonistic attitude has made them too many enemies amongst the people they are supposed to serve.

 Koski wrote:

40k. . . . Probably Logan Grimnar the old wolf is all knowing and the imperium should just drop their beef with the canis gene. Dogs are loyal. Space puppies are loyal

In Emperor's Gift, Logan Grimnar acts like a spoiled child with no grasp of the bigger picture, to the point that Bjorn has to tell him to shut up and sit down. He'd be a great guy to lead a large campaign due to his skill and experience, but a political position? Forget about it.

 Omegus wrote:

 Koski wrote:

40k. . . . Probably Logan Grimnar the old wolf is all knowing and the imperium should just drop their beef with the canis gene. Dogs are loyal. Space puppies are loyal

In Emperor's Gift, Logan Grimnar acts like a spoiled child with no grasp of the bigger picture, to the point that Bjorn has to tell him to shut up and sit down. He'd be a great guy to lead a large campaign due to his skill and experience, but a political position? Forget about it.

Perhaps Bjorn himself? Though I really don't know too terribly much about him.

I don't think a Dreadnought could be in charge.

Bjorn can't stay coherent for long enough periods of time in order to be in a leadership position. The reason Imperial Dreadnoughts spend so much time in stasis is to keep them sane (see Chaos Dreadnoughts deprived of rest).

He does command serious respect, however, given that he is the last "living" being in the Imperium to have seen the Emperor before the Golden Throne (assuming Custodes aren't immortal, anyway). That was enough street cred to get the Inquisition to not Exterminatus the Space Wolves after Logan killed a Grey Knight Grandmaster and an extremely high-ranking Inquisitor who just threatened Logan with Exterminatus if he didn't settle down.

Bjorn, were he an actual Marine and not a Dreadnought, would be a decent choice for Warmaster.

But since he is a dreadnought, he is out of the running. Calgar himself admits that Dante is a way cooler guy than he is, better in every way, so Dante seems the best bet.

Before or after he went crazy?

Who are you referring to?

 Deadshot wrote:
Horus was a Wolf.

Logan is an Alpha Wolf. Alpha Wolves lead.

I agree with Angron, the Space Wolves were dogs, hounds, not wolves.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Who are you referring to?

Isn't Dante part of the Death Company now?