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 Deadshot wrote:

 HeraldofDisease wrote:

godking wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Which are clear points against Johnston for warmaster.

Again Johnston is so emotionally stunted that he cannot even understand his own legionaries.

Johnston together with Kurze and Angron firmly belong on the

No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God No ! heap of choices for warmaster

oh god, could you imagine Curze as Warmaster? lol. that would be terrifying.

Would be akin to Batman (the Christian Bale Dark Knight Tversion) actually joining the League of Shadows and become king of Gotham or something.

which sound skinda cool when you put it that way. xD

If you read the latest story where Curze is arguing with Sevatar, we find out that Curze skinned children alive over public broadcasts in order to deter all crime from the most heinous murder to jaywalking.

godking wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Which are clear points against Johnston for warmaster.

Again Johnston is so emotionally stunted that he cannot even understand his own legionaries.

Johnston together with Kurze and Angron firmly belong on the

No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God No ! heap of choices for warmaster

You may note that I was the first to bring up this objection in this thread.

 HeraldofDisease wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 HeraldofDisease wrote:

godking wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Which are clear points against Johnston for warmaster.

Again Johnston is so emotionally stunted that he cannot even understand his own legionaries.

Johnston together with Kurze and Angron firmly belong on the

No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God No ! heap of choices for warmaster

oh god, could you imagine Curze as Warmaster? lol. that would be terrifying.

Would be akin to Batman (the Christian Bale Dark Knight Tversion) actually joining the League of Shadows and become king of Gotham or something.

which sound skinda cool when you put it that way. xD

Damn right it would. I was watching Batman Begins last night and saw that post. Just finished watching The Dark.Knight .

 Deadshot wrote:

 HeraldofDisease wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 HeraldofDisease wrote:

godking wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Which are clear points against Johnston for warmaster.

Again Johnston is so emotionally stunted that he cannot even understand his own legionaries.

Johnston together with Kurze and Angron firmly belong on the

No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God No ! heap of choices for warmaster

oh god, could you imagine Curze as Warmaster? lol. that would be terrifying.

Would be akin to Batman (the Christian Bale Dark Knight Tversion) actually joining the League of Shadows and become king of Gotham or something.

which sound skinda cool when you put it that way. xD

Damn right it would. I was watching Batman Begins last night and saw that post. Just finished watching The Dark.Knight .

The Imperium would quickly fall into chaos and be reigned by terror. lol, maybe then it would go somewhere for once.

Bingo.


Now who would play the Joker? Feth that, who would be Bane?

I'm going with Dorn, he was the most loyal of the Emperors sons, and with how things played out I think a little more loyalty might hav been a good thing.

 Deadshot wrote:
Bingo.


Now who would play the Joker? Feth that, who would be Bane?

Well, in this crazy backwards world Bane would probably be good. so he has to be intelliegent, but deadly as well. Vulkan maybe? I've heard in the new book Curze tortures him. so it would make sense as well. lol

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
I'm going with Dorn, he was the most loyal of the Emperors sons, and with how things played out I think a little more loyalty might hav been a good thing.

Dorn was a heavy-handed idiot. See psyker basement for reference.

HeraldofDisease wrote:The Imperium would quickly fall into chaos and be reigned by terror.

Somehow I fail to see the difference to its current condition..

In 30K, Guilliman is the best choice for Warmaster. Sanguinus would be gladly accepted, but his personality would not fit for the role- he's too emotional, the burden would probably crack him at some point and we'd see another Chaos Primarch.

Guilliman has the perfect blend of strategic competency as well as stoicism. Guilliman could have a trillion babies and puppies set on fire and sleep soundly at night, rationalizing his acts as simply following orders/doing what's best for the Imperium. He has no prohibiting moral code, no personal ambitions of glory and power- perfect to be Warmaster.

30K? - Alpahrius/Omegaius or Rogal Dorn

40k? Tyberos

 Omegus wrote:

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
I'm going with Dorn, he was the most loyal of the Emperors sons, and with how things played out I think a little more loyalty might hav been a good thing.

Dorn was a heavy-handed idiot. See psyker basement for reference.

Which he did because of the Emperors decree. Yes he went above and beyond but he heeded the commands of his father. Again I say, the most loyal.

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:

 Omegus wrote:

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
I'm going with Dorn, he was the most loyal of the Emperors sons, and with how things played out I think a little more loyalty might hav been a good thing.

Dorn was a heavy-handed idiot. See psyker basement for reference.

Which he did because of the Emperors decree. Yes he went above and beyond but he heeded the commands of his father. Again I say, the most loyal.

Actually, no. Dorn locks them up, and then brags that he is keeping them as a trump card, thus violating both the letter and the spirit of the Emperor's decree. The Emperor said "put your librarians back into the fighting ranks", not "stick them in a hidden basement so you can utilize them when it is convenient for you".

Again, I say, the most heavy-handed idiot. His loyalty to the Emperor is not in question, he is just stupid, as further evidenced by the last remembrancer and Nathaniel Garro, who both ran verbal circles around him in debate, causing him to bitch and cry and wave his sword around.

As a Night Lord of course i'm going to say Nighthaunter.

But I'd also vote for Sanguinius.

Now I want someone to right a fanfic with Curze as Warmaster.

VensersRevenge wrote:
Now I want someone to right a fanfic with Curze as Warmaster.

Only if Angron overcomes the butcher nails (to an extent) and becomes a Bane equivalent.

In 30k I feel Sanguinius would have been best, his wisdom, foresight and charisma would have kept his brothers in line, (he seems to be universally liked or respected by all of them or at least no one actively disliked him)

30k- Lion. He handled most everything to the best of his abilities, realistically level headed and not spoiled. Sangiunius was too emotion and hopeful. He'd end up either sacrificing himself in another battle, or begin to fall to chaos.

40k- Grimnar, he's proven himself already.

30k, I'd back Guilliman. As much as I hate to back a smurf, he knew his stuff (although it would've been interesting to see how he would've done coordinating the whole war effort, rather than just his own Southern part).

40k... It's close between Creed and Calgar for me. Personally, I'd pick Creed,.while Calgar's been dealing chiefly with Tyranids lately (IIRC), while Creed's been dealing with the (presumably) more unpredictable Abaddon. Also, I like Creed more .

Sanguinius is Nr.1 for me. He'd propably have fallen, but imo, every Primarch had the seed of betrayal, it was a matter of circumstance who went chaos and who stayed loyal.

I'm surprised no onepicked Fulgrim. Maybe the Horus Heresy novels spoil that impression (I only read Flight of the Eisenstein), but he was charismatic, a great leader and tactician, respected and liked by most of his brothers and obviously very well i n the emperors grace.

I'd add Pertubaro and Dorn to the "bad idea" heap, with Kurze and Angron.

Despite my dislike of the primarch, Gulliman would have been my choice in pre heresy era. In 40k? No space marine can hold the Warmaster title or what they call it now as "Lord Solar" which can only be held by IG Lord Generals even then the title isn't what it used to be. I just had to point it out to those who suggested a SM warmaster in 40k era

To be an honest, as an Ultramarines fan, I don't know whether or not Gulliman would have been a very good Warmaster. While his Legion and Ultramar were both very well governed, I don't think the other primarchs would have accepted him. Horus was quite liked and even he had people who didn't take his ascension well. Whereas Sanguinius, who was universally liked, wouldn't have been able to make the hard, cruel decisions that a Warmaster would have to make. I think that none of the primarchs could have been Warmaster except for Horus, which is why the Emperor chose him.

I don't understand where the idea that Sanguinius wouldn't have been able to make the difficult decisions comes from. Can anyone refer me to a point where he hesitated to do what needed to be done or held back out of sympathy/mercy?

During Signus, when one of his ships was destroyed due to the bizarre occurrences, he didn't hesitate to destroy the planet he thought they were originating from. Not just exterminatus mind you, he ordered the planet completely broken apart. When one of his legionaries fell to the Red Thirst, he broke the marine's neck himself even though he didn't want to do it. When they teleported aboard the Vengeful Spirit he ordered Azkaellon to stay behind to carry on the Sanguinary Guard, meaning he knew all the other Sanguinary Guards would be killed but he brought them along anyways because it needed to be done. Moreso, there is no evidence to show that he held back at all during his fight with Horus as the Emperor himself did.

In Fear To Tread, Sanguinius goes into a coma because a bunch of his men died. I fthat's all it takes to get him out of the way, than it would be too easy to stop him from leading.

VensersRevenge wrote:
In Fear To Tread, Sanguinius goes into a coma because a bunch of his men died. I fthat's all it takes to get him out of the way, than it would be too easy to stop him from leading.

There was obviously some kind of psychic attack made against him at the same time, it wasn't just because a bunch of Blood Angels had been killed. Otherwise he wouldn't have been anywhere near as effective on Terra, where no doubt lots of Blood Angels were killed.

It was a Bloodthrister (Ka Bandha actually) so there wasn't any psychic attack. He just saw 500 of his sons annihilated, he fainted. It'd be like you seeing on TV that your hometown had been.nuked and everything you ever known or everyone you loved just vanished like hat.

 Deadshot wrote:
It was a Bloodthrister (Ka Bandha actually) so there wasn't any psychic attack. He just saw 500 of his sons annihilated, he fainted. It'd be like you seeing on TV that your hometown had been.nuked and everything you ever known or everyone you loved just vanished like hat.

But there were preparations made for that specific attack, hence the curse they created during that time and hence the odd nature of his "coma". He was supposed to have died in that coma according to Ka'Bandha, and they had to break the Nikea edict and use their librarians to pull him out, all but one of whom died in the process. He did not simply faint.

I'll give you that but there were more variable to consider. First, Sanguinius was psychic. IIRC all the Primarchs were in some way but Sanguinius moreso with his foresight, so there was likely psychic backlash. Similar to how the Nid Synapse creature's heads explode when the Norn Queen dies but on a much weaker channel and smaller scale with a.more powerful head.

Secondly, diving into the Primarch's subconciois is risky. In the Primarchs, Fulgrim hints that the primarchs are in a manner of speaking, Daemons, so in essence diving into his brain was like diving into the warp to pull out a Daemon.


Fimally, if he should've died, but didn't dispite Khorne's best attempts, Tzeentch's plans and Slaanesh's desires, isn't that just +1 reason FOR him to be Warmaster?

To me, no. I'm sure lot's of other Primarchs have seen huge numbers of their legion killed, and they didn't go into a coma that took a bunch of librarians to pull them out. So while I do like Sanguinius, I think that the possibility of him going into a coma would cause way too many problems if he had to organize the whole Great Crusade.

Regarding Sanguinius,



Of course, it's interesting that we dismiss him as an effective Warmaster mainly because he's too honest and straight-forward. In essence, the Warmaster is politician as much as warrior, and perhaps we are all just jaded from seeing what it takes to be a successful politician in our own society?

Dorn was able to embrace the paranoid and duplicitous nature of the new necessity-driven Imperium, but it eventually destroyed him.