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Who do people think would be the second best choice for warmaster? In their honest opinion?

in 30k? In 40K?

30K - Probably should have given the job to Johnson
40K - I'd vote to give it to High Marshal Helbrect

In 30k, the clear choice is Roboute Guilliman. I mean, c'mon - where other Primarchs may have found fame and glory on a single world, he CARVED OUT AN EMPIRE. One that's still intact and thriving 10,000 years on thanks to his own teachings.

40k, I would say Creed. Few others have the experience in marshalling insanely high numbers of troops as he does.

Thriving is not an accurate description. S---L---O---W---L---Y dying.

30K - Jonson.
40K - Gabriel Seth, for the lulz.

The clear choice was Sanguinus, Horus even says it himself.

Presently- probably Calgar, just cause he can handle all the stuff that goes with it. Not that other Chapter Masters couldn't but Ultramarine's are like half bureaucrat anyways.

I would think Guilliman would have been one of the top choices. Great leader and general who would have been able to wield the other primarchs and legions. From a "personable" or "likeable" standpoint, Sanguinius would have been another choice.

IIRC it was said that Guilliman was the other frontrunner beside Horus, while Sanguinius would have been the most accepted choice among the other primarchs.

Isn't the second best choice....already the one who was declared Warmaster?



The first pick is the Emperor himself.



Makes any candidate N°3.
To deal with the pencilpushers, its Gulliman. To lead them all as an angelic figurehead, its Sanguinius.

To keep the Imperium running until Daddy returns, its the Lion as he's the one available in M41. Maybe with some brothers to share the burden as none of them is perfect for that job.

Guilliman ...Angel was to emo and he had a gene flaw to hide and Lion wasn't very popular or liked.....
40k - Grimnar

Grimnar can't be the Warmaster, he'd lose half the Imperium as soon as he was named to the position, in that the Inquisition won't support him. Dubious on the Ecclesiarchy as well, and if the Ecclesiarchy doesn't back you, you're pretty much done.

Of course, this does not take into account the Land Raider's worth of Plot Armor that keeps the Space Wolves existing in the 40K universe.

Well 13th black crusade speaks for him IMHO...

Also, you are right about Ecclesiarchy, but the "I" is all about politics (read : they will use anything if it serves their purpose)...

Grimnar as a IG favorite hero can be used without him even knowing who is controling him.....

Draigo.

'Nuff said.

30K? Guilliman
40k? It's hard to decide since we don't know the chapter masters of most of the original legions.

I vote Ghazghkull Thraka.. Green is best

For 30k - Johnston
For 40k - Dante, a good tactician and iirc well liked.

30K Personally I think I would go with Johnson over anyone else. May e Dorn after that. I just don't really support Gulliman

40K- I think I would agree with Dante, he would seem like a very solid choice.

Ladies and gentlemen, the answer is really quite obvious. The only Primarch who should have ever been Warmaster is

30k - Guilliman, obviously.

40k - ... this is tricky. I don't see a "perfect" choice here, although a number of contenders for "next best thing":

- Calgar: An experienced warrior who comes from a Marine Chapter that has a history of producing good leaders. Not quite as suited for the job as the other options, but at the same time also has no strong points against him.
- Creed: An analytical mind who worked his way up from the bottom and has won the minds of the troops. On the other hand, he is kinda needed at Cadia.
- Dante: The Blood Angels are said to be viewed with suspicion by other Imperial forces and, like Calgar, he is a Space Marine rather than someone from the Imperial forces' core structure, but Dante has experience and already proven he can do a good job over Armageddon.
- Yarrick: Overall commander of the Armageddon warzone, did a good job running the central command council. Like Creed, however, he is still busy with his current task - hunting Orks.

What other experienced veteran leaders are around at the end of M41? Preferably non-Marines, of course, given the Imperium's current policy of keeping the Astartes away from too much influence.

 Happyjew wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, the answer is really quite obvious. The only Primarch who should have ever been Warmaster is

Spoiler:

Leman Russ.

lol. While I do LOVE Russ, I just don't see him doing too good of a warmaster. too battle hungry I think.

I can't believe people are choosing the Lion. A certain level of diplomacy is required in that position, and Jonson has been shown to be utterly terrible at reading people. He has he social graces of a Necron.

Guilliman is the clear choice.

Guilliman or Vulkan would be the best choices. Dorn would be a close third.

Why the hell are some people picking Johnson ?

He was not even able to connect with his own legion and this guy should have been warmaster ?

You need Charisma Gravitas and likability for the position of warmaster Johnson only has Gravitas.

The choices are Guilliman or Sanguinus.

Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

There is already a second Warmaster in 40k and he's called Abaddon.

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Sanguinis does seem a little too nice and honest for the job. lol.


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 Traejun wrote:
Guilliman or Vulkan would be the best choices. Dorn would be a close third.

To be honest I wasn't even thinking of Vulkan. He would be a very good choice since out of all he Primarchs he's the one with the most compassion towards to regular humans.

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Which are clear points against Johnston for warmaster.

Again Johnston is so emotionally stunted that he cannot even understand his own legionaries.

Johnston together with Kurze and Angron firmly belong on the

No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God No ! heap of choices for warmaster

godking wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Which are clear points against Johnston for warmaster.

Again Johnston is so emotionally stunted that he cannot even understand his own legionaries.

Johnston together with Kurze and Angron firmly belong on the

No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God No ! heap of choices for warmaster

oh god, could you imagine Curze as Warmaster? lol. that would be terrifying.

godking wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Which are clear points against Johnston for warmaster.

Again Johnston is so emotionally stunted that he cannot even understand his own legionaries.

Johnston together with Kurze and Angron firmly belong on the

No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God No ! heap of choices for warmaster

Lion as warmaster ?

Half of IoM gone traitor without chaos gods and their roles....My God Bobby G would be so pissed...

I like that....

 HeraldofDisease wrote:

godking wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
Sanguinius' nobility may have made him very likable and inspirational to his brothers (and everyone else for that matter), but he comes across as way too nice a guy to do a good job of running the Imperium.

The Warmaster still has to deal with regular humans, so you have to be well versed in deceit and double-dealing, something Sanguinius isn't capable of doing.

Which are clear points against Johnston for warmaster.

Again Johnston is so emotionally stunted that he cannot even understand his own legionaries.

Johnston together with Kurze and Angron firmly belong on the

No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God No ! heap of choices for warmaster

oh god, could you imagine Curze as Warmaster? lol. that would be terrifying.

Would be akin to Batman (the Christian Bale Dark Knight Tversion) actually joining the League of Shadows and become king of Gotham or something.