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It's a loophole. Like all politicians, I plan ahead!

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Keep your burgers. My personal dream is to die in bed with a hot waitress.

That's.... oddly specific, while being relatively achievable.

 djones520 wrote:
Your third stance seems to differ with your platform stance of repopulating the world.

The first question of the breeding test is, "Are you Kronk?" If you answer correctly you skip to your "breeding certificate"

 djones520 wrote:

Your third stance seems to differ with your platform stance of repopulating the world.

I believe the Kronk Repopulation Strategy (as I'm referring to it as of this moment) only directly applies in locations where population is in danger, not everywhere. It's an exception to the rule, not the rule itself.

 kronk wrote:
It's a loophole. Like all politicians, I plan ahead!

Bravo good sir, bravo.

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
I'm confused... who exactly is asking the government to do something about obesity?

The Pentagon, for one.

Ahem...

Snake Plissken: Got a smoke?
Malloy: The United States is a no-smoking nation. No smoking, no drinking, no drugs. No women - unless of course you're married. No guns, no foul language... no red meat.
Snake Plissken: [sarcastic] Land of the free.



Programming note... quite possibly the best ending evar!

 kronk wrote:
I believe that once you turn 60, you should have to go to the DMV and pass an eye exam and driving exam with an instructor EVERY YEAR for our protection

Isn't that, like, already a thing? I'm pretty sure old peeps here have to pass one, although I don't know how frequent it is.

I further believe that once you hit 300 lbs, you should either no longer be allowed to buy junk food OR you sign a waiver that the rest of us don't have to tote your medical note when your body breaks down from being a lard ass.

How easy is it for underage teens to obtain alcohol? Because it'd be even easier for Fatty-fat Mclardy to go around those rules.

I further believe that birth control pills should be mandatory once you hit puberty and you have to pass a test and have a steady income before you're allowed to breed.

And what do you do when you find the millions of undeclared births? Have the kids taken away? Have the parents put in prison?? Fine them???

I'm Kronk, and that's my platform.

And I bet you'd find people ready to vote for you.

I do like our freedoms. But who knows maybe this will help control the rampant miss labeling of food. I can't count how many times i've bought something that had "egg" or something else only to read the label and find a hundred chemical ingredients mushed together to resemble real food.

Seriously we had a call to a sweet in low plant one time and there was a giant tank of formaldehyde there used in production.

But still, i do want my oreos. I know they are trans fat and they don't hide it. I'm okay with that.

What the government should be doing is working on education, and helping to ensure things like food deserts dissapear.

There are ways they can combat obesity, without restricting our freedom of choice.

So, heroin good, trans fats bad, eh?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
So, heroin good, trans fats bad, eh?

Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: [narrating] Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fething big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fething fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the feth you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fething junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fethed up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

And what do you do when you find the millions of undeclared births? Have the kids taken away? Have the parents put in prison?? Fine them???

Soylent Green.

I'm a recycler. Pro-Environment, even.

 kronk wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

And what do you do when you find the millions of undeclared births? Have the kids taken away? Have the parents put in prison?? Fine them???

Soylent Green.

I'm a recycler. Pro-Environment, even.

Yum... Long Pork!

 kronk wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

And what do you do when you find the millions of undeclared births? Have the kids taken away? Have the parents put in prison?? Fine them???

Soylent Green.

I'm a recycler. Pro-Environment, even.

Add that to your platform. It's how you'll solve world hunger.

 djones520 wrote:
What the government should be doing is working on education, and helping to ensure things like food deserts dissapear.

They work on education. Beside, it's not like it ever properly worked. The knowledge that proper dietary habits is important has been common for a while now, just like the knowledge that smoking cigarette isn't healty has been common for a lot longer than people will admit. I have friends who are no older than 30 that still use the old ''yeah, but when I was a teen and started smoking, most people didn't know it was unhealty''. No. The difference is that it wasn't seen as a bad habit to smoke bad then. Mothers knew it was unhealthy to smoke or drink during pregnancies, but since it wasn't a social stigma like it is today, it didn't stop so many.

Education doesn't stop habits. Education creates awareness, which leads to social blaming and shaming, which leads to an effective restriction of the behaviour. Maybe this isn't happening quickly enough to the eyes of those in power, and they've decided to go and try cutting one source of the problem?

There are ways they can combat obesity, without restricting our freedom of choice.

And why would you care so much about your freedom to choose wrongly? I mean, do you really need to know that you have the ability to get your french fries with extra carcinogen? With, actually, about 100 times the otherwise legal limit of carcinogen allowed in tap water?

Like, you know that trans fat free fries are available and sold in a lot of fast food joints, right?

I have the choice to buy sticks full of carcinogens, and inject them directly into my lungs. Tell me why I should haven't the same choice with my french fries?

 djones520 wrote:
I have the choice to buy sticks full of carcinogens, and inject them directly into my lungs. Tell me why I should haven't the same choice with my french fries?

Because two negatives doesn't, in cases like this, makes a positive?

Making cigarettes illegal destroys completely an entire industry, which happens to be very rich. Now I agree that that might not be a sufficiently reasonnable excuse to let them poison the gak out of a very large part of population, but people in power are used to, to borrow Terry Pratchett's words, the dreadful algebra of necessity. In some cases, when you can't beat your enemy, what you do is simply to try and make their life harder until they realize that there's surely a way to work out things to both interests. So instead of killing the tobacco industry, you just piss them off until they start pouring money into research into less toxic products.

Banning trans fat oil doesn't kill the fast food industry. It forces them to search for an alternative.

 djones520 wrote:
I have the choice to buy sticks full of carcinogens, and inject them directly into my lungs. Tell me why I should haven't the same choice with my french fries?

You should. But those really crappy foods should be taxed to hell like cigarettes. Right now it's actually cheaper to eat crap than food that is good for you. This can be fixed with a trans fat or even a twinkie tax.

Gun murders in the US in 2010: 11,078
Automobile related deaths in 2010: 32,788
Alchohol Related Deaths 75,000 (2001 numbers).
Death by cigarettes 440,000 deaths annually. Interestingly enough: 49,400 are from second hand smoke. You're more likely to be killed by a sitting across the table from a smoker than sitting across the table from a man with a gun in his hand.

The more you know.

Poor diet is the number one killer of Americans....far greater than cigarettes. The medical care costs of treating people with poor diets is magnitudes greater than the medical costs from smokers..... Can we tax people based on their BMI?

Making cigarettes illegal destroys completely an entire industry

Well the real reason that cigarettes won't be banned is that they are a huge money maker for the government. That's a lot of tax dollars to lose.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
And why would you care so much about your freedom to choose wrongly?

Wait, are you serious?

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I have the choice to buy sticks full of carcinogens, and inject them directly into my lungs. Tell me why I should haven't the same choice with my french fries?

You should. But those really crappy foods should be taxed to hell like cigarettes. Right now it's actually cheaper to eat crap than food that is good for you. This can be fixed with a trans fat or even a twinkie tax.

Go back to that post I made about what the government should be doing instead. Focussing MORE on efforts to educate people how to eat healthy, cheaply, and providing the means by encouraging expansion of grocery stores in area poorely represented. Food deserts, even in our great nation, are a very real thing and need to be resolved. Ensuring segments of our population have something other then a 7/11 or McDonalds to get food from will do a lot to help fight obesity, all without trampling on our personal liberties.

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
And why would you care so much about your freedom to choose wrongly?

Wait, are you serious?

Entirely.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Well the real reason that cigarettes won't be banned is that they are a huge money maker for the government. That's a lot of tax dollars to lose.

According to your CDC, "In 2000–2004, cigarette smoking cost more than $193 billion (i.e., $97 billion in lost productivity plus $96 billion in health care expenditures).", while the revenue from cigarette taxation in 2011 was 17 billion.

I'm sure they aren't that bad at maths.

Go back to that post I made about what the government should be doing instead. Focussing MORE on efforts to educate people how to eat healthy, cheaply, and providing the means by encouraging expansion of grocery stores in area poorely represented. Food deserts, even in our great nation, are a very real thing and need to be resolved. Ensuring segments of our population have something other then a 7/11 or McDonalds to get food from will do a lot to help fight obesity, all without trampling on our personal liberties.

So now you want the government to mandate what stores exist where? Force companies to open businesses that will ultimately be unprofitable when cheap crap food is so easily available? Whole foods don't open up in the ghetto for a reason my friend.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Go back to that post I made about what the government should be doing instead. Focussing MORE on efforts to educate people how to eat healthy, cheaply, and providing the means by encouraging expansion of grocery stores in area poorely represented. Food deserts, even in our great nation, are a very real thing and need to be resolved. Ensuring segments of our population have something other then a 7/11 or McDonalds to get food from will do a lot to help fight obesity, all without trampling on our personal liberties.

So now you want the government to mandate what stores exist where? Force companies to open businesses that will ultimately be unprofitable when cheap crap food is so easily available? Whole foods don't open up in the ghetto for a reason my friend.

What part of "encourage" means mandate?

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
And why would you care so much about your freedom to choose wrongly?

Wait, are you serious?

Entirely

And how far should that line of reasoning be expanded in your eyes?

 Da Boss wrote:
If you don't like the food provided by the school, bring a packed lunch. It's not hard.
We didn't have the luxury of any on site food in my school except a chip van that came around sometimes, and we were in the middle of nowhere, so I just always had sandwiches, fruit and sometimes crisps.

Actually, a lotta schools are banning packed lunches. They're afraid the children bringing in food made for them by their parents will corrupt the others, ESPECIALLY if (horror of horrors!) the parent slipped in an oatmeal cookie.

~Tim?

You guys do know that trans fats provide absolutely no flavour and are just cheap filler used by companies to maximize profit margins, right?

Essentially you're arguing "yes, it is vitally important that my health is made lower priority than the quarterly dividend yield for wealthy fast food investors".

 scarletsquig wrote:
You guys do know that trans fats provide absolutely no flavour and are just cheap filler used by companies to maximize profit margins, right?

Essentially you're arguing "yes, it is vitally important that my health is made lower priority than the quarterly dividend yield for wealthy fast food investors".

I love it when people completely miss the point.

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
And why would you care so much about your freedom to choose wrongly?

Wait, are you serious?

Entirely

And how far should that line of reasoning be expanded in your eyes?

Dunno. Farther than ''I've got the Right to stuff myself silly of unhealthy food and you can't take my FREEDOMMMS away'' but not as far as ''Take all my agency away, oh Glorious and Perfect Leaders''?

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
If you don't like the food provided by the school, bring a packed lunch. It's not hard.
We didn't have the luxury of any on site food in my school except a chip van that came around sometimes, and we were in the middle of nowhere, so I just always had sandwiches, fruit and sometimes crisps.

Actually, a lotta schools are banning packed lunches. They're afraid the children bringing in food made for them by their parents will corrupt the others, ESPECIALLY if (horror of horrors!) the parent slipped in an oatmeal cookie.

~Tim?

Yes. Like the whole healthcare for the habitually unhealthy this is a baffling quagmire.

Parents: "Why are we paying so much money to schools!"
Schools: "We're paying for better programs, like healthy lunches."
Parents: "No new taxes!"
Schools: "Then we'll cut that program... We'll make up the lost revenue with cheap dreadful food."

4 Weeks Later

Parents: "Why is my kid getting fed crap?"
Schools: "We cut that program."
Parents: "Then I'm sending my kid to school with a boxed lunch."
Schools: "... Seriously? We're being punked right? Where's the camera? Ryan Seacrest is right behind that curtain isn't he?"
Parents: "You're bad at your job!"

4 Weeks Later

Parents: "Why can't my kid bring his own lunch to school?"
Schools: "We need the money because no one wants new taxes."
Parents: "What?"
Schools: "School Board, out."

FDA moves to ban trans fats

When I read this all I thought about was the prohibition

So Dakka lets get our criminal empires going if the FDA actually gets some steam

So here are new terms we need to know

Fryeasy, Fried pig, Hoggery: An establishment that sells illegal trans fat foods
Blimbpimp: Illegally produced Trans fats
Tubtote: To sell illegal trans fat foods; Trans fats that are illegally sold
Tubtoter: A person who illegally sells Tubtote

now we just need to divide up the country around who operates their Fryeasies where.
Just remeber to make sure you cook your books goods, we don't need the IRS to get us like they did Capone