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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 17:57:24
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Our benevolent government wishes to make another move to control, I mean "help", your life by telling you what you can and can't eat.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/fda-wants-ban-trans-fats-food-8C11551559
The Food and Drug Administration has declared war on trans fats. The government agency said Thursday it would require food makers to gradually phase out artificial trans fats — the artery-clogging ingredient found in crackers, cookies, pizza and many other baked goods.
The change could potentially prevent 20,000 heart attacks a year and 7,000 deaths, said FDA commissioner Margaret Hamburg.
While the amount of trans fats consumed by Americans has dropped dramatically over the last decade, they still “remain an area of significant public health concern,” Hamburg said during a press conference Thursday.
The FDA hasn’t yet set a time table for sweeping trans fats from the market. "We want to do it in a way that doesn't unduly disrupt markets," said Michael Taylor, FDA's deputy commissioner for foods. Still, the "industry has demonstrated that it is by and large feasible to do."
Trans fats are considered harmful because they increase risks for heart disease by both raising bad cholesterol levels (LDL) and lowering good cholesterol (HDL). In 2006, the FDA began requiring food manufacturers to include trans fats on nutritional labels, and in 2007, New York City banned trans fats from restaurants. Food marketers have been gradually going trans-fat-free in recent years -- McDonald's switched to zero-trans fat cooking oil in its iconic french fries in 2008.
New York City mayor Michael R. Bloomberg celebrated the FDA's proposal. “Seven years ago we became the first city in the nation to prohibit restaurants from using trans fats,” Bloomberg said in a statement Thursday. “ Since then, at least 15 states and localities have followed suit and banned trans fats – and more than ten fast food chains have eliminated trans fats entirely.”
The FDA announced that partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs), the primary dietary source of artificial trans fat in processed foods, are not “generally recognized as safe” for use in foods.
The agency has opened a 60-day comment period to collect additional data and to get input on how much time it might take for food manufacturers to reformulate products that currently contain artificial trans fats.
In the meantime, Hamburg said, “consumers can make healthy choices by checking trans fat levels on the nutrition facts panel on the back of processed food packages and avoiding those with trans fats.”
There are many brands now with no or low levels available to consumers, she added.
The independent Institute of Medicine has already concluded that trans fats provide no known health benefit and that there is no safe level of consumption of artificial trans fat, Hamburg said. Additionally, the IOM has recommended that Americans keep their consumption of trans fats as low as possible while consuming a nutritionally adequate diet.
Food manufacturers began adding artificial trans fatty acids, or partially hydrogenated oils, to products in the 1950s to increase the shelf life and flavor stability of foods, according to the FDA.
The FDA decision "comes from decades of research on the effects of artificial trans fats on heart health," said NBC News diet and health editor Madelyn Fernstrom. "While estimates of dietary intake of trans-fats among Americans has decreased nearly 75 percent in about a decade, there remain concerns about the inclusion of any trans-fats in foods."
In a statement, the Grocery Manufacturers Association said the industry has dramatically reduced the amount of trans fats in food products.
“Through our efforts at product reformulation and the development of suitable alternatives, trans fats that are not naturally occurring have been drastically reduced in the food supply," according to the statement. “Consumers can be confident that their food is safe and we look forward to working with the FDA to better understand their concerns and how our industry can better serve consumers.”
The FDA has previously estimated that the average American eats 4.7 pounds of trans fats a year. The American Heart Association recommends that people should consume fewer than 2 grams of trans fats a day.
Tell you what FDA. Ban Cigarettes, and we can talk. Until then keep your nose out of my fething french fries.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:00:41
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:07:28
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Has Bloomberg changed jobs?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:24:07
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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WOnder what kills more people. Cigerrettes, alcohol, old people who drive to damn slow, or trans fats.
But it's the FDA. They pretty much exist to make headlines and waste government money on double standards
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:26:57
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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LordofHats wrote:WOnder what kills more people. Cigerrettes, alcohol, old people who drive to damn slow, or trans fats.
But it's the FDA. They pretty much exist to make headlines and waste government money on double standards 
I'm pretty sure that guns kill a lot more people than ll of those above combined.........................
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:30:17
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Y'know, I agree, people keep asking for the govt to do something about bad food, but when they do, they get huffy about freedom
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:32:33
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Mr. Burning wrote:
I'm pretty sure that guns kill a lot more people than ll of those above combined.........................
I prefer to focus on things that can be realistically banned... Well not alcohol I guess. We know how miserably that failed
How pervasive are Tranfats these days anyhow? I know it gets talked about alot and the article says that use of them has lowered but how much is lowered?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:35:15
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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That's ridiculous. I mean, slippery slope and all, but once you start getting into broad strokes mandating healthy diets for everyone, you've gone beyond stupid. ESPECIALLY since the FDA does a poor job of regulating actually dangerous stuff like pharmaceuticals!
Schools teach healthy diet. If you don't listen in school and eat unhealthily, smoke or drink or do drugs and die prematurely, ah well, to be honest we're not short on people and you made your choices.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:37:58
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Schools teach healthy diet. If you don't listen in school and eat unhealthily,
It would help if school lunches backed that up. They tend not to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:38:01
Subject: Re:FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Dump billions of dollars into the military, wars, security, and so on to combat the thread of terrorism - which kills about 10-12 Americans per year - that's just wise policy.
Make a policy change that will save between 3,000 and 7,000 American lives a year from heart disease - the number one cause of death in the country - you're a big-government nanny-stater.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:40:05
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Mr. Burning wrote: LordofHats wrote:WOnder what kills more people. Cigerrettes, alcohol, old people who drive to damn slow, or trans fats.
But it's the FDA. They pretty much exist to make headlines and waste government money on double standards 
I'm pretty sure that guns kill a lot more people than ll of those above combined.........................
You would be very very wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:41:00
Subject: Re:FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Ouze wrote:Dump billions of dollars into the military, wars, security, and so on to combat the thread of terrorism - which kills about 10-12 Americans per year - that's just wise policy.
Make a policy change that will save between 3,000 and 7,000 American lives a year from heart disease - the number one cause of death in the country - you're a big-government nanny-stater.
'murica
ahem
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -- C. S. Lewis
This will hurt the economy in ways I don't think we can determine right now... is this the right thing to do at this time?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:41:45
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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LordofHats wrote:Schools teach healthy diet. If you don't listen in school and eat unhealthily,
It would help if school lunches backed that up. They tend not to.
Oh god yes. I still have nightmares of those zombies
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:47:18
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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In the UK at least, public opinion turned against them and their use has been cut a lot. Some stores have eliminated them and it's only a few fast food places still use them much and even those are phasing them out. There isn't a ban, but they're not popular.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:48:38
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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LordofHats wrote:Schools teach healthy diet. If you don't listen in school and eat unhealthily,
It would help if school lunches backed that up. They tend not to.
Pizza isn't a veggie?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:50:27
Subject: Re:FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Truthfully I'm surprised to see this is even necessary. I think they're already pretty rare here now - the only fast food places I am aware of that still use them are small regional places like Church's Chicken, I think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:51:09
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Honestly convinced that school lunch pizza is made of plastic and cardboard. Whatever those things were, they sure as hell weren't green peppers and that surer than hell wasn't tomato sauce.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:52:08
Subject: Re:FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Ouze wrote:Truthfully I'm surprised to see this is even necessary. I think they're already pretty rare here now - the only fast food places I am aware of that still use them are small regional places like Church's Chicken, I think.
Yeah... I can't think of another place that really use it.
More peanut oil?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:55:04
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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If you don't like the food provided by the school, bring a packed lunch. It's not hard.
We didn't have the luxury of any on site food in my school except a chip van that came around sometimes, and we were in the middle of nowhere, so I just always had sandwiches, fruit and sometimes crisps.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:55:13
Subject: Re:FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Some do - pretty sure that Chik-Fil-A uses peanut oil. Mcdonalds I think use Canola.
I myself prefer peanut oil if I can get it on sale for deep frying turkeys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:56:07
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Da Boss wrote:If you don't like the food provided by the school, bring a packed lunch. It's not hard. We didn't have the luxury of any on site food in my school except a chip van that came around sometimes, and we were in the middle of nowhere, so I just always had sandwiches, fruit and sometimes crisps.
The school provided lunches are generally provided to those kids that cannot bring a packed lunch and are getting these lunches at a free or reduced cost. Also McDonalds uses a canola blend that has 0 grams of trans fat per serving... so where is the trans-fat coming from that's on their menu items, the cheese?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:58:59
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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You can still tank your heart from all sorts of other foods anyhow, so it's a bit ridiculous to focus so much on trans fats.
Alcohol, general obesity, vitamin C deficiency, stress, sedentary lifestyle and many other factors all contribute to coronary heart disease. The only solution is a holistic healthy lifestyle approach. And if people want to go eat themselves to death, it's not like the planet is lacking in humans.
I'm not normally this heartless but I really can't get behind most regulation to prevent self harm through wilful stupidity. I have similarly extreme views about most hard drugs. I figure I'm probably abnormally annoyed by that sort of thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 18:59:36
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Alfndrate wrote: Da Boss wrote:If you don't like the food provided by the school, bring a packed lunch. It's not hard. We didn't have the luxury of any on site food in my school except a chip van that came around sometimes, and we were in the middle of nowhere, so I just always had sandwiches, fruit and sometimes crisps.
The school provided lunches are generally provided to those kids that cannot bring a packed lunch and are getting these lunches at a free or reduced cost. Plus the cheese sludge they used at my school made the half Grade F(but edible!)/half soy cheeseburgers taste better than anything I could've brought. Also, freakin' Shepard's Pie day. That gak was so good, you weren't getting any if you waited until the line died down and went after half bell. EVERYONE got double portions. Even people that brought lunch didn't on Shepard's Pie day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 19:01:31
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Mr. Burning wrote: LordofHats wrote:WOnder what kills more people. Cigerrettes, alcohol, old people who drive to damn slow, or trans fats. But it's the FDA. They pretty much exist to make headlines and waste government money on double standards  I'm pretty sure that guns kill a lot more people than ll of those above combined......................... Gun murders in the US in 2010: 11,078 Automobile related deaths in 2010: 32,788 Alchohol Related Deaths 75,000 (2001 numbers). Death by cigarettes 440,000 deaths annually. Interestingly enough: 49,400 are from second hand smoke. You're more likely to be killed by a sitting across the table from a smoker than sitting across the table from a man with a gun in his hand. The more you know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 19:02:14
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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Alfndrate wrote: Da Boss wrote:If you don't like the food provided by the school, bring a packed lunch. It's not hard.
We didn't have the luxury of any on site food in my school except a chip van that came around sometimes, and we were in the middle of nowhere, so I just always had sandwiches, fruit and sometimes crisps.
The school provided lunches are generally provided to those kids that cannot bring a packed lunch and are getting these lunches at a free or reduced cost.
Also McDonalds uses a canola blend that has 0 grams of trans fat per serving... so where is the trans-fat coming from that's on their menu items, the cheese?
I'd be pretty surprised if there was an appreciable difference in CHD rates in school children eating the school lunches vs. packed lunches at that age.
Later in life if they continue to eat like that, perhaps.
Though, the school should (obviously) provide non-fried food for lunch, I really don't think the issue of schools providing poor quality food is one that absolves people of their responsibility for what they eat. If the school can't afford decent food it's an argument to raise local taxes to fund the school a little better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 19:04:13
Subject: Re:FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Ouze wrote:Some do - pretty sure that Chik-Fil-A uses peanut oil. Mcdonalds I think use Canola.
I myself prefer peanut oil if I can get it on sale for deep frying turkeys.
Maybe for now you can, but once you start down this road Ze STATE decides what you can eat. Enjoy those two pats of approved government butter, but first its 20 minutes of government mandated exercise in front of the view screen Citizen. After all its fair because Everyone pays your healthcare Citizen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 19:04:23
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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As long as the food tastes the same or better I don't really care.
I never noticed a change in McDonald's french fries, so if I never noticed the trans fat going away I think we're ok.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 19:12:01
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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Da Boss wrote:I'd be pretty surprised if there was an appreciable difference in CHD rates in school children eating the school lunches vs. packed lunches at that age.
Later in life if they continue to eat like that, perhaps.
Though, the school should (obviously) provide non-fried food for lunch, I really don't think the issue of schools providing poor quality food is one that absolves people of their responsibility for what they eat. If the school can't afford decent food it's an argument to raise local taxes to fund the school a little better.
No, but a packed lunch of a wheat bread, turkey, a slice of lettuce, and a piece of cheese, some fruit, some juice/milk, and something else like chips or pudding is healthier than more balanced than "cardboard pizza and green beans"
And you're right about the later in life issue. A balanced and healthy packed lunch helps instill good eating habits in kids while they're still impressionable. If you tell a kid that an average lunch is a fries, cheeseburger, and soda, then we're going to have issues later in that kid's life that fries, cheeseburger, and soda is an okay lunch every day. And the CHD rate isn't what we need to be worried about with kids, but their obesity rate.
School provided lunches are supposed to have more fruits and vegetables in them to help promote healthy eating habits, but when the FDA says that pizza counts as a vegetable, then you're not really helping the situation. You also have to take into account that schools don't just get healthy foods to serve to their kids, they have to spend money on it, and like anyone trying to stay within a budget, you're going to go for the cheaper foods, so you're going to sacrifice quality over quantity. There is also plenty of work that suggests that there is something lacking in the school lunches, and that a properly packed lunch is far better than the school lunches, too bad the kids that get the school lunches are worried about eating rather than eating properly. Automatically Appended Next Post: Frazzled wrote: Ouze wrote:Some do - pretty sure that Chik-Fil-A uses peanut oil. Mcdonalds I think use Canola.
I myself prefer peanut oil if I can get it on sale for deep frying turkeys.
Maybe for now you can, but once you start down this road Ze STATE decides what you can eat. Enjoy those two pats of approved government butter, but first its 20 minutes of government mandated exercise in front of the view screen Citizen. After all its fair because Everyone pays your healthcare Citizen.
does government mandated exercise involve picking up that can, Citizen?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 19:15:42
Subject: FDA Moves to Ban Trans Fat
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A war on Trans Fats?
Can we win the War on Poverty, War on Crime, War on Drugs, or the War on Terror first? We don;t have to win them all, just one would be nice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 19:20:23
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Those are some pretty nice statistics for gun grabbers to ignore!
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