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 kinratha wrote:
Sisters vs Grey knights.

special limited edition comes with a model of chaplain matt ward

A good idea & marketing strategy would be to give 2 significant discount vouchers for any 2 Battleforces of the players choice.
It would then be a must have & very useful purchase for everyone.

 Tigramans wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

God people, we need SOME sort of viable entry point for this hobby.

You know what that is? Lower pricing to get more people interested rather than shocked by it.
But when it's gonna happen? NO EARLIER THAN NEVER!

To honestly be fair, the hundred dollar starter sets aren't that bad when videogames upon release are sixty bucks. What hurts is all the basic stuff to build an army, like CSM or guardsmen squads, cost so much. You only need to buy a starter set once, so it's OK if it's a hundred bucks for everything you need to start out the game right now. But with nearly every single large squad of infantry costing just under half the starter? Utterly ridiculous.

Well one side (imerpium) will always be some form of SM. Probably vanilla. In all honesty, I don't care about the army. CSM? Cool I will add that. IG? Nice add it. CD? Add that to my army. SM, inquisition, BA... was building them. Heck even the ones I don't care for I can give to friends.

What I care about is what some others have mentioned. Bloody balanced armies! I had played the game little (had some marines and orks and some IG) and I only truly got into this being a big hobby for me at the beginning of 6th addition. In my group, nobody was planning on chaos and, whilst I was building DA, my friend revealed he wanted to play them. I gave him my DA and went for chaos eventually falling for the taint of chaos and genuinely liking chaos. Except, there was a problem. The shop owner let us play all the content. He saw me segregated as I was mowed down and said hey you just didn't use cover properly. Little did we really realize we were playing about 800-900 points of DA against about 600 points of poorly balanced and equipt CSM....

I want balance! For a beginner to deploy two armies that at equal skill levels have about a 50% chance of victory. Not perfectly. Heck, 60% and 40% is fine. Heck, I could bare with the imbalance of one army being better planned but when DA are built with a 200-300 point advantage AND have a properly equipment army specifically to kill CSM and you look at the CSM force that has less forces, has 20 cultists that have no real reason to be there bolter guns built to tear them apart, 6 chosen with 2 bolt gunners all the while the rest are a mess with lightning claws, one with power fist, one with a power maul (why the maul? It is ap4 against an army of all sv3+ or better on the guy that is forced to declare challenges), one with a power fist, and one with an axe. What are they built to kill!? Then they have a helbrute with a melta that really doesn't work since no enemy vehicle and is fighting an army rife with plasma, and then you have a chaos lord that either had a 4+ or 5+ invuln to start with (I hope it was the 4+ but I think it was a 5+ which I believe meant the loyalist had the advantage of surviving), a plasma pistol, and a power sword... what was it built to kill? Finally, why was the limited edition another DA like it wasn't already insult? You couldn't even deploy him naturally because it already started with 2 loyalist named characters.

Clearly you're forgetting 3rd. 20 dark eldar warriors (pre pfp, poisoned weapons etc) vs a tactical squad and a landspeeder. That was the box i got as a kid and you couldnt even play a game with it. I found it amusing that it proudly proclaimed "everything you need to get playing" and yet the rulebook said "the most basic of forces needs two troops and an hq". Not to mention that dark eldar were really terrible. I also got the aobr and da models only via ebay and i think of all three starter sets the aobr one was best. A great foundation for both forces.

I've talked to a few higher ups in Gw and they pretty much assured me every starter set one side will always be space marines.

Space Marines vs Tau, don't think they've had a go yet.

 Banzaimash wrote:
Space Marines vs Tau, don't think they've had a go yet.

And the tau will undoubtedly have some new form of riptide.

What I'd like to see? IG vs Tyranids. It'd be cool to see a starter without SM and it'd probably have a ton of models, much like the cultists in the current one.

Realistically? I think it'd be both fun and realistic to guess SM vs Tyranids. SM will always be in the starter, and aren't Tyranids set to get new units and a shiny new codex? A Tyranid starter would be a good thing to release along side them.

Squats vs. Nids

Actually, it would just be some fat bugs

rumors say it will be BA v. Necrons

Plastic Steel Legion vs. Orks.

Tau vs. Tyranids, maybe to expand a tad on Hive Fleet Gorgon. No Imperials make this highly unlikely though.

I guess it will really end up being Space Marines vs. something, maybe Necrons would be a cool scenario/box set, lots of robots and machines squaring off with jacked men in armor make little boy want it and mommy and daddy pay for it, oooh yeah. I would buy a couple myself if it ended up being SM v Necrons.

If it was sisters vs dark eldar I would probably buy 3 or more of them.

Eldar vs Dark Eldar would be cool, I want to see more conflicts between these two. Ever since 6th hit they've been irritatingly buddy-buddy

EyeOfDC wrote:

 Banzaimash wrote:
Space Marines vs Tau, don't think they've had a go yet.

And the tau will undoubtedly have some new form of riptide.

Don't even say like this!

lol

Starter set should come with a note that says "Riptides are now Jumpjet Walkers."

Necrons and SoB, Sanctuary 101.

Or necrons and orks. Then I get models for both of my current armies

Chaos squats vs fishmen.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, my wishlist 40k starter box has always been "Massacre at Sanctuary 101".

It's the perfect set up for a starter box. Horders of basic bad guys, just like dark vengeance (necron warriors galore, supported with a single overlord and some scarabs and destroyers), with a small number of elite heroes (battle sisters, seraphim and a canoness). You wouldn't even need the Immolator or the Rhino from the original box, although one of the two would be awesome.

It also represents all the basic types (infantry, jump infantry, jetbike, beast, maybe vehicle), could easily be altered slightly to include monstrous creatures (tomb spyder) or walkers (penitent engine), making it good for teaching games. It includes mixed armour saves (3+, 4+ and 5+), different strength/ap weapons (bolters/gauss flayers, staff of light, meltaguns, gauss cannons), it includes single and multi-wound models... a ready made scenario that can easily be altered into a short campaign (first encounter, running battle, shrine defence). It includes template and potentially blast weapons (flamers, tomb spyder)...

It's the perfect set up for a starter box. You literally couldn't ask for anything more to be included for teaching people the game and introducing the lore (Sisters epitomise the Imperium's do-what-we-must-to-save-what-we-can attitude even better than the glory boy space marines, while Necrons are the face of the Implacable Threat).

So why the heck has this never been a thing?!

I was going to say SoB vs Chaos... but you pitched that so well that I think I'll change my vote to this! I'd certainly buy it.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
All jokes aside, you can't consider anything for the Imperial side other than Space Marines. Period.

It's what you'd like there to be, not what there probably will be.

Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines.

Barring that, ANYTHING but Tyranids and Eldar, since those are the only two armies I neither play nor want to play.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, my wishlist 40k starter box has always been "Massacre at Sanctuary 101".

It's the perfect set up for a starter box. Horders of basic bad guys, just like dark vengeance (necron warriors galore, supported with a single overlord and some scarabs and destroyers), with a small number of elite heroes (battle sisters, seraphim and a canoness). You wouldn't even need the Immolator or the Rhino from the original box, although one of the two would be awesome.

It also represents all the basic types (infantry, jump infantry, jetbike, beast, maybe vehicle), could easily be altered slightly to include monstrous creatures (tomb spyder) or walkers (penitent engine), making it good for teaching games. It includes mixed armour saves (3+, 4+ and 5+), different strength/ap weapons (bolters/gauss flayers, staff of light, meltaguns, gauss cannons), it includes single and multi-wound models... a ready made scenario that can easily be altered into a short campaign (first encounter, running battle, shrine defence). It includes template and potentially blast weapons (flamers, tomb spyder)...

It's the perfect set up for a starter box. You literally couldn't ask for anything more to be included for teaching people the game and introducing the lore (Sisters epitomise the Imperium's do-what-we-must-to-save-what-we-can attitude even better than the glory boy space marines, while Necrons are the face of the Implacable Threat).

So why the heck has this never been a thing?!

I was thinking the same thing. I suggested this in my post as well.
If that became a thing, it would be my first 40k starter set. I've been leaning towards the Sisters as my third 40k army (and my first IoM faction).

Now, I suspect the reason why it hasn't been done yet is for two reasons - the first is because having SM as the imperial faction in the starter set is a bit of a tradition. The second might have something to do with the Sisters being metal.
But who knows, perhaps GW will put sisters in the starter, just to show off the new plastic sculpts and try to get some faith (heh) from the SoB player base back.
They probably won't though.

Adepta Sororitas vs Tryanids

lots of new plastics plus can do the whole The Matrydom of Praxedes with special character

Space marines vs orks.wait a minute..But seriously all they have to do it throw some black reach style sluggas and a few other things in.The sluggas will save them loads of money.Marines:Its always space marines.Simple as that.I suspect blood angels here.After all they did just do dark angels,which implies that they are going to do all the spess marine codexes instead of just smurfs.Weren't the blud angels the 2nd edition spess muhrines?Then it might be spess wolves...

Eldar vs. Necrons, but I don't expect that.

Maybe Space Wolves vs. something, if must be select some imperial faction.

 EVIL INC wrote:
A sisters -v- ANYTHING would sell of the shelves so fast that...... Well, i cant even come up with a comparison.

Like the Enteprise flying away from a supernova's shockwave?

 EVIL INC wrote:

 Maniac_nmt wrote:

Don't let forum love of sisters become a mistake of society yearning for sisters as an army.

that goes beyond forums, that goes out into the shops and the offline gaming community. heck, it goes outside the gaming community and into the pure painting hobby.i bought a seraphim for my ex-wife and painted it up for her as a gift. had there been a afordable unit, i would dont that instead.

MANY gamers dont want an army of them but would love to have a unit or two to use as allies.
MANY men would buy them as ways to entice their better haves into the hobby.
MANY would buy multiple sets to build an army from scratch.
MANY would buy it to stockpile for resale or "just because".

I know i would buy a few sets of them just for coolness value to use as allies.
You can bet that the other army would likely be dirt cheap online. lol

Other than online forums I've only ever seen one sister army across multiple stores in many cities, and no one other than that one army who wanted sisters. I have no issue with sisters, but it speaks for themselves that they don't get a lot of love. They aren't that popular, certainly no where near popular enough to carry a starter.

 Maniac_nmt wrote:

 EVIL INC wrote:

 Maniac_nmt wrote:

Don't let forum love of sisters become a mistake of society yearning for sisters as an army.

that goes beyond forums, that goes out into the shops and the offline gaming community. heck, it goes outside the gaming community and into the pure painting hobby.i bought a seraphim for my ex-wife and painted it up for her as a gift. had there been a afordable unit, i would dont that instead.

MANY gamers dont want an army of them but would love to have a unit or two to use as allies.
MANY men would buy them as ways to entice their better haves into the hobby.
MANY would buy multiple sets to build an army from scratch.
MANY would buy it to stockpile for resale or "just because".

I know i would buy a few sets of them just for coolness value to use as allies.
You can bet that the other army would likely be dirt cheap online. lol

Other than online forums I've only ever seen one sister army across multiple stores in many cities, and no one other than that one army who wanted sisters. I have no issue with sisters, but it speaks for themselves that they don't get a lot of love. They aren't that popular, certainly no where near popular enough to carry a starter.

Yes, because as we all know, unpopular armies can have their books be a best seller

Definitely Tau vs Tyranids

The whole image of those two races fighting is just epic. It would play out much like if Tyranids attacked us today (in terms of strategy, the outcome would be us all dying )

I hate to say it to the people who like sisters of battle but I doubt GW will put them in a starter anytime soon. Not that people don't like them but that the actual model range is lacking (and a print copy of the codex).
Since the last 2 contained: Orks, Chaos Space Marines, Space Marines and Dark Angels they probably won't be in it.

I could see them putting in Tau/Eldar/Necrons/Tyranids/Blood Angels/Imperial Guard
Just because the ranges are pretty good model wise and might bring about new codex for blood angels and necrons. Didn't they do that with Dark Angels?
It would also let them expand their model range maybe.

Honestly though I don't care what is in the new starter. Plus this is like guessing what the weather is going to be 100 days from now haha

Marines are going to be in it.Tau vs crons?Problem is that a sci fi without humies just doesn't look right.And its tradition to have marines krump da not marines.SOB:GW wants to attract 12 year old boys to this game?90% of those will probably see the canoness about to hit the warboss and say:For girls.Most kids don't want to play with a girl army.

I have no preference other than hoping if they have a Space Marine force it's generic Marines. The 6th ed box was rubbish to me as the models had all the Dark Angels iconography on them.