ODST's in 40k: A Project

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**Kain**

TheCustomLime wrote:
For posterity, where is it stated that stub weapons cant really go through flak?

In Dark Heresy a suit of flak armor will reliably save your ass from most anything listed as a stub gun short of the heavy stubber.

Dark Heresy, being a role playing game, doesn't have balance to worry about and so can get much more simulation-esque with it's rules.

This is corroborated by other RPGs.

**sonicaucie**

TheCustomLime wrote:
sonicaucie wrote:
AkhilleusK42 wrote:
The Guard just doesnt work like the UNSC marines, though. Regiments arent nearly as close together as UNSC units so using other, active regiments is problematic at best. The OP is free to write whatever he wants, though. Cant be worse than what Black Library puts out.

More to the point, though, I would call having ODSTs being favourably compared to the Scions... generous at best. Scions are trained from a young age to stalwartly face against alien and inter-dimensional horrors that would make what the ODSTs face seem like a walk in the park. The ODSTs are veteran Guardsmen at best with a lower leadership skill. Maybe with a worse save and most likely with a worse gun. That's not to say that ODSTs are incompetent. They are excellent soldiers for what the UNSC needs of them. It's just that transplanting them into the 40k universe makes them cry like little bitches because they aren't trained or equipped for what they will face. This is true for many sci-fi armies from the Systems Alliance marines to the Stormtrooper corps.

Now, I can understand all deep striking army of veteran guardsmen using ODST themes. That's fine. But a direct transplant is problematic.

Oh, I agree about transplanting ideas UNSC forces directly and of course that wouldn't fly, haha. The human tech from 2,500 is not going to compare to human tech from period of time 37,500 years in the future, yet alone v.s. ancient superpowers like Eldar or Necrons. OP seems to be using a marine dex (for access to drop pods) but with ODST inspiration for models and paintjobs; I myself will be using Scions allied with IG/AM because I feel like they justly compliment each fluffily (plus I believe scion deepstrike better represents single occupant nature of HEVs). You're right that the UNSC would be closer than their IG counterparts, especially when you only own a few worlds compared to the millions in 40k.

Actually, you could make a good argument that they are on par or greater than imperial guard.

Halo's lore about the forerunner is that they're a very ancient race who were appointed caretakers of the galaxy. Their technology is incredibly advanced; more so than the imperium. The covenant were born on a world with forerunner artefacts that founded the basis of their religion but the covenant were not as advanced as humans were but reverse engineered and jury rigged forerunner technology to construct their weapons and spaceships. A lot of their discoveries actually came from utilising Huragoks (which existed with the forerunners or were created by them since they're a tier 1 race (humans being tier 3 and covenant tier 2) http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Technological_Achievement_Tiers). The problem with this is; the covenant are not very good at it due to their lack of proper understanding of the technology themselves. It is akin to a tech priest trying to build a land raider. Sure, he might be able to do it but his understanding of how it all works is not as good as the original creators which is why STCs are so prized by the tech priests.

Anyway, in halo, the covenant and humans meet. In one scenario cortana, the chief and johnson manage to hijack a covenant ship and because they're further along in science than the covenant; they're actually able to use covenant technology more effectively than them. Master Chief's shield technology is actually a much more capable version of the covenant version. The UNSC infinity is a human ship with a jury rigged forerunner engine and power plant strapped to it. Most advanced technological discoveries come from forerunner tech.

So you could argue, that humans in the UNSC are on par if not better than guardsmen and Spartans, being accelerated through their evolutionary cycle, augmented and wearing armor reverse engineered from forerunner tech are on par if not better than space marines. Master chief would definitely be better than most marines or characters in the 40k universe given that he has actually been augmented by the librarian herself.

You just summed up how the humans are better than the aliens in Halo. You still have yet to explain how they are superior to the Imperium despite using stub weapons and using armor that is vulnerable to stubbers. Flak armor is superior to ODST armor in terms of protection. MJOLNIR is on par with at least flak but no better than than carapace. If you still think spartans are better consider this: A BR55HB can kill master chief with a single burst to the head. A Space Marine's rib cage is resistant to those rounds. Not his armor. His bones.

Master Chief slip space jumped to earth in a forerunner ship, jumped off of it and landed on the earth from orbit still able to fight. He also threw himself at a covenant cruiser with a bomb and rode the explosion to a rendezvous with in amber clad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrIrI4FJZ0A#t=438

Like I said, the shield technology and some of the high tech stuff you see on ships such as the UNSC infinity is reverse engineered / jury rigged technology from a race that are far older and more advanced than the imperium.

**TheCustomLime**

None of that matters, though. The simple fact is that stub rounds can easily go through Chief's armor where they would have issue going through flak. Power armor is near immune to stub rounds. Despite how big it talks the Haloverse is actually pretty crappy in terms of technology. The fact that the Covenant can fail against such an incompetent foe as the UNSC despite having access to highly advanced technology speaks multitudes about the shear incompetence of it's scientists, engineers, military planners, officers, politicians, soldiers and producers.

And I'm a fan of Halo.

**God In Action**

Well, I don't know about anyone else but I very much enjoyed the above discussion of how HALO will enhance the original poster's ideas for a converted army.

**ONI-S3**

God In Action wrote:
Well, I don't know about anyone else but I very much enjoyed the above discussion of how HALO will enhance the original poster's ideas for a converted army.

Tell me about it!

It seems like it can't go 4 posts without it becoming about 40k v.s. Halo, which was never proposed by OP

**liquidjoshi**

Only when people insist Master Chief can beat a Space Marine

My answer to that is that a torso hit with a Sniper rifle will pretty much half out a fully shielded Spartan. A Marine laughs as the round pings uselessly off his armour.

**passwordman**

What I don't understand is why you would use a stat line that represents a genetically enhanced super soldier for stormtroopers. While they potentially deserve Ws and Bs 4 I don't see a reason for them having S and T 4.

Passwordman