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 kronk wrote:
But what if he's the next Joe Montana, but a complete tool bag?

Then the Browns will have a "tool bag" Joe Montana QB.

"Yes please".

 kronk wrote:
But what if he's the next Joe Montana, and a complete tool bag?

Then he'd be Brett Favre.

 SavageRobby wrote:

 kronk wrote:
But what if he's the next Joe Montana, and a complete tool bag?

Then he'd be Brett Favre.

Lol, more like Tony Romo, or Joe Namath (Well, Broadway Joe has more class overall... but it's kinda similar)

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 SavageRobby wrote:

 kronk wrote:
But what if he's the next Joe Montana, and a complete tool bag?

Then he'd be Brett Favre.

Lol, more like Tony Romo, or Joe Namath (Well, Broadway Joe has more class overall... but it's kinda similar)

Yeah because this exemplifies class

 kronk wrote:
But what if he's the next Joe Montana, and a complete tool bag?

Michael Vick already answered that question.

 dogma wrote:

 kronk wrote:
But what if he's the next Joe Montana, and a complete tool bag?

Michael Vick already answered that question.

heh... no argument from me there.

Manziel is the next 3rd stringer on the team right now. Reports from training camp are Hoyer, Thigpen, Manziel, Shaw.

Hoyer and Thigpen are putting the ball where it needs to be when it needs to be there (as much as one can while wearing a helmet, t-shirt, and shorts). Manziel is quicker than of the other QBs in camp atm, but he's lacking in the accuracy department. While he's not Brandon Weeden levels of inaccurate, he's certainly making the receivers work for their catches, which I'm hoping will lead to the coaching staff working on that with him.

That's all I got so far. Also Red, I'm pretty jealous of your season tickets I've yet to go to a Browns game... :-\

Seriously I'd LOVE season tickets but there is like a 7 year wait list for patriots ST. I've been to about 10 games in the last 14 years though which has been nice.

Seven years? I've been on the Steelers season ticket list for about 17 years and just this year got offered tickets for the first time. At $4000 per seat license.

Considering that I can buy seat licenses for less than that on the license exchange, I chose to pass. Since the Steelers were nice enough to set aside a few thousand seats without licenses, I can wait for a couple of those to open up, or finally bite the bullet and buy on the exchange.

I still get to a couple games a year. And since I'm on the waiting list, I usually get offered some playoff tickets if they get a home game.

Yeah, Seahawks season tickets are sold out, and local news is saying that ALL home games are sold out already as well, including i believe the preseason tickets.

I got really lucky with my season tickets. When the Bears remodeled Soldier Field, they played a season at Illini staduim in Champain, about a 2.5 hour drive from downtown Chicago. When they did this, they offered season tickets for that season, but if you had been on the waiting list, and then didn't take them, you got removed from the list. I went to one game down there that year, and put my name on the wait list then, and so once they moved back up to Chicago, it only took about a year to get offered seats.

They're non-PSL seats, so they're not great, but they're also not breaking the bank, either with the PSL cost, or the ticket-price each year.

Since then, the waiting list really hasn't moved here at all, I've got a co-worker who gets a yearly email telling him that. Though, like Gorgon, he gets the opportunity to buy a game or two each year + possible playoffs.

I couldn't even imagine waiting 17+ years for season tickets ;0. Jesus that's a dedicated fanbase! I'm just glad I've got to see the 2nd best and potentially best QB ever to play a couple times ;p

Honestly, in my opinion, football is best watched on a TV in a bar with a beer and some wings. In that circumstance I'm not wet, hot, or cold; plus I've got a better angle the actual action.

 dogma wrote:
Honestly, in my opinion, football is best watched on a TV in a bar with a beer and some wings. In that circumstance I'm not wet, hot, or cold; plus I've got a better angle the actual action.

For the most part I agree, except there is a certain adrenaline rush you get when you team makes a big play and tens of thousands of people all jump up screaming at the same time. Nothing can really replicate the energy of live games. Even if it is 100% more comfortable and whatnot watching on tv.

Chancetragedy wrote:

 dogma wrote:
Honestly, in my opinion, football is best watched on a TV in a bar with a beer and some wings. In that circumstance I'm not wet, hot, or cold; plus I've got a better angle the actual action.

For the most part I agree, except there is a certain adrenaline rush you get when you team makes a big play and tens of thousands of people all jump up screaming at the same time. Nothing can really replicate the energy of live games. Even if it is 100% more comfortable and whatnot watching on tv.

I was in Heinz Field for the playoff game against the Browns in 2003 (2002 season). The Steelers won 36-33 after being down 24-7 in the 3rd quarter, and down 33-21 with 4 minutes to play.

It certainly wasn't a great or memorable Steelers team, and they lost the next round. By Steelers standards, that's a pretty "meh" season. But I'll never forget how Heinz Field SHOOK after Chris Fuamauta-Ma'afala scored the go-ahead TD. I'll never forget how complete strangers were hugging one another in the stands out of sheer joy. I'll never forget the NOISE.

It probably would have been great in a bar. But it was epic to be there.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I couldn't even imagine waiting 17+ years for season tickets ;0. Jesus that's a dedicated fanbase! I'm just glad I've got to see the 2nd best and potentially best QB ever to play a couple times ;p

Steelers Nation is more than a little nuts. Honestly, the only reason I got offered seats is because they're adding 5,000 new seats to Heinz Field. I know I'm near the top of the list, but it still might have been a 20+ year wait without that expansion. Even though I turned them down, I'm hoping that the expansion opens up some of the few non-SL seats in the near future.

The new seats are also in the lower bowl and in the endzone, and that's probably my least favorite angle in a stadium to watch a football game. If I'm going to be in the endzone, I at least want to be a little higher so I can see the other side of the field.

That's exactly it - it's the energy of being part of the crowd. I was at Soldier Field for our win in the NFC Championship game in 2006, and I've never experienced that atmosphere anywhere else, before or since.

Also, watching a game live, you learn to watch the game for yourself, because no one is telling you what you saw. You're also free to watch whatever you're interested in, not what the TV people expect you to want to watch. You get to see plays develop, watch receivers running routes before the ball is thrown, watch how coverage is being played. You rarely see that on TV, even during replays - maybe they'll break down one or two plays a game.

Plus, with modern tech, I can watch the TV broadcast afterwards. Starting this season, all season ticket packages come with a subscription to NFL rewind.

 dogma wrote:
Honestly, in my opinion, football is best watched on a TV in a bar with a beer and some wings. In that circumstance I'm not wet, hot, or cold; plus I've got a better angle the actual action.

Something dogma and I agree on!

 Redbeard wrote:
That's exactly it - it's the energy of being part of the crowd.

Sure, that makes sense.

 Redbeard wrote:

Also, watching a game live, you learn to watch the game for yourself, because no one is telling you what you saw.

I don't agree with that, as the sight angles on NFL fields are pretty bad.

Personally, I find it easier to see all 22 when I'm there. I feel like coverages in particular aren't always easy to see even on today's widescreen HD TVs. I also feel like it's easier to see deeper pass routes develop instead of waiting for the camera to pan and catch up.

I agree that the NFL is better watched on the TV for angles that don't suck, but the atmosphere and energy of a live game is hard to beat. You should go to a game at least once every other year or so.

 dogma wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:

Also, watching a game live, you learn to watch the game for yourself, because no one is telling you what you saw.

I don't agree with that, as the sight angles on NFL fields are pretty bad.

That's a pretty generic statement and doesn't account for where a person's seats are, or even the nuances of the stadium you're at. At the simplest level, it's easy enough to show that your statement is flawed and does not account for all situations simply by referring to the seats around the media deck.

My seats are up in the nosebleeds. While this means I have to climb a lot of stairs to get there, I can also see the entire field and, as I noted before, I can choose what to focus my attention on, and watch as plays develop. There are plenty of times, watching at home, when I want to be able to see something that I can't due to what they choose to air. There are notably fewer times when I'm at a game and want to see something that'd be covered on TV but not live. Usually, these are either injuries (wanting to know what happened to a player, whether he'll be back, which they talk about on TV but not live) or the specifics of a fumble recovery. And, in the later case, the jumbotron coverage has gotten much better over even the last two years.

Before I got my season seats, I'd sat in numerous places around the stadium (and old soldier field), and I agree, there are some seats with bad angles, or depth issues. Sitting in end zone seats before the renovations meant you could only really tell what was happening if it happened within 30 yards of your end zone. But, that's not the case with my current seats.

Hey I'm gonna resetup the pickem and fantasy leagues soon. For the pickem were doing confidence points again this year. Does anyone have any other suggestions for either the FFL or the pickem outside of that?

Just use Yahoo so I don't have to join more gak! I'm in!

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Chancetragedy wrote:
Hey I'm gonna resetup the pickem and fantasy leagues soon. For the pickem were doing confidence points again this year. Does anyone have any other suggestions for either the FFL or the pickem outside of that?

I'm in.

Confidence points

Yah I made sure to use confidence points again this time haha. Last season was very bland with just straight pickem.

Hall of Fame game kicking off.

Football!!!

I pretty much hate both teams but I'm such a football junky, I can't watch so I'm dvr'ing it.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I pretty much hate both teams but I'm such a football junky, I can't watch so I'm dvr'ing it.

I watched the whole damn thing...