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 MrDwhitey wrote:
I feel this should go here. Upvoted to the max on The Red Pill:

Spoiler:

What the actual #@$^

Edit: I checked out the Red Pill. It was... Disturbing.

 cincydooley wrote:

I like to think that a lot of this can be learned from experiencing a healthy parental relationship and having parents talk to their kids about them, but based on my experience a lot of kids DO get their notions of how relationship "should" work from media.

Oh, no doubt. I mean, how many kids carry expectations about sex due to watching porn? I know I certainly did. And, truth be told, that's unavoidable as media will always have an influence on any given person; especially if they're doing the whole "rebellion" thing.

 cincydooley wrote:

Too true. I stumbled upon an article on Jezebel (one of the most frighteningly, absurdly feminist sites on the internet) that is actually calling all the hate for 50 Shades misogynist, which I thought was a laughable stretch.

The hint is in the name. But Jezebel isn't just feminist, it is a crazy hodgepodge of various feminist articles (from various schools of feminism) trying to be sensational because sensationalism generates hits, which means more of author X's articles will be published and with higher placement on the front page.

 Ouze wrote:
I don't like the idea/pracitce on these forums that if you express an opinion on something that is happening in society that you don't like, if you're not a member of the afflicted group, you're dismissed as a social justice warrior. I think it's sort of lazy and that it's OK to say something is messed up even if it could not happen to you, whether it be your nationality depicted as a little red sambo, or media that depicts your sex as being happiest when subservient to others.

That sounds like you're defending white knights, despite not being one...

You're the white knight of white knights?

I just find it to be a lame way to dismiss what someone said without actually addressing the content of what they said, at all.

 Ouze wrote:
I just find it to be a lame way to dismiss what someone said without actually addressing the content of what they said, at all.

Agreed.

 jasper76 wrote:
Fifty shades of what now?

Fifty Shades of Stupid.

We were with a couple watching Lucy. They had the preview on before it and both wimminz just broke up laughing.


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 Ahtman wrote:
I thought it was erotica for those who didn't know what erotica was or feared it. I imagine the movie to be Nine and Half Weeks without the coherent plot or eroticism.

I think you're onto something there Ahtman.

It's at this point that I must apologise on behalf of the University of Kent for having the author of 50 Shades of Grey as an alumni.

To make it up to you all, we also have Alan Davies as an alumni.

So you can't hate us completely....

We can if we're missing half an ear.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I feel this should go here. Upvoted to the max on The Red Pill:

Spoiler:

All I got out of this was that women want to be ravished or dominated by a male that they find attractive and the majority of them prefer rough, almost violent sex. Sounds about right. Is this news to people? Please don't tell me there are droves of men operating under the assumption that women don't have intense sexual desires and they are somehow pure, virginal creatures. They are human too.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I feel this should go here. Upvoted to the max on The Red Pill:

Spoiler:

All I got out of this was that women want to be ravished or dominated by a male that they find attractive and the majority of them prefer rough, almost violent sex. Sounds about right. Is this news to people? Please don't tell me there are droves of men operating under the assumption that women don't have intense sexual desires and they are somehow pure, virginal creatures. They are human too.

So you didn't get that these people were basically saying that raping women is okay as long as you're rich because women secretly enjoy it and want it to happen?

That's not exactly what they said. I've had women explicitly tell me that "even though I say no, I still really want it" or "even if I resist, I want you to...". That's why you establish a safeword and discuss this prior to acting on it. Some of them want to play out the "ravishment" scenario.

Obviously, jumping into rapeplay or BDSM with ANY girl WITHOUT discussing it beforehand is stupid.

 trexmeyer wrote:

Obviously, jumping into with ANY girl WITHOUT discussing it beforehand is stupid.

Any BDSM situation, you mean.

Brain fart, missed words. Thanks and cheers .

 trexmeyer wrote:
That's not exactly what they said. I've had women explicitly tell me that "even though I say no, I still really want it" or "even if I resist, I want you to...". That's why you establish a safeword and discuss this prior to acting on it. Some of them want to play out the "ravishment" scenario.

Obviously, jumping into rapeplay or BDSM with ANY girl WITHOUT discussing it beforehand is stupid.

I thiiink thats what they are saying, that no "precautions" are actually done in the movie/book. I haven't read it so don't know, just that it looks mind achingly dumb.

I read a review once that said it was "Twilight does porn" I saw the word Twilight and my brain immedietaly said "nope not touching that, if you even try that I'll leave you crying, in a clown suit, in a ditch."

But from what I have heard from people who have read the books ) they all said that their is more erotica in the first ten pages of a Harlequin romance novel than all three of the fifty shades of grey books combined. Not even that but the relationship between the characters is blown out of proportion, the critics make it sound that Mr. Grey is a sexual deviant but he himself is very hesitant to do the BDSM acts on the young woman and he treats her really well and with a great deal of respect. It is also mentioned that during his childhood Mr. Grey was sexually abused for years by I think his aunt or something and that why he does what he does mainly because he does not trust women.

But I have not read the books I have read some of them but got bored but everyone I know that read the books do not understand where the outrage is coming from or where people get this idea that he basically that the female character is a slave and is abused.

Al ot of the criticism of these books remind me of the backlash Bioware got for the sex scene in the first Mass Effect game many people jumped on the outrage band wagon with out actually playing the game or even seeing the scene

I'm not outraged. It just looks utterly stupid. The kind of stupid that transcends "so stupid its funny" to "so stupid you just want to spoon your own eyes out to take away the pain."

Alpha 1 wrote:
But from what I have heard from people who have read the books ) they all said that their is more erotica in the first ten pages of a Harlequin romance novel than all three of the fifty shades of grey books combined. Not even that but the relationship between the characters is blown out of proportion, the critics make it sound that Mr. Grey is a sexual deviant but he himself is very hesitant to do the BDSM acts on the young woman and he treats her really well and with a great deal of respect. It is also mentioned that during his childhood Mr. Grey was sexually abused for years by I think his aunt or something and that why he does what he does mainly because he does not trust women.

But I have not read the books I have read some of them but got bored but everyone I know that read the books do not understand where the outrage is coming from or where people get this idea that he basically that the female character is a slave and is abused.

Al ot of the criticism of these books remind me of the backlash Bioware got for the sex scene in the first Mass Effect game many people jumped on the outrage band wagon with out actually playing the game or even seeing the scene

Except the first Mass Effect game didn't cause an increase in people wanting to go out and try to become an N7 agent without considering the risks.

 Frazzled wrote:
I'm not outraged. It just looks utterly stupid. The kind of stupid that transcends "so stupid its funny" to "so stupid you just want to spoon your own eyes out to take away the pain."

I've read bits and pieces from it. The style is clumsy. It's honestly even worse written than The Hunger Games and The DaVinci Code.

 Frazzled wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
That's not exactly what they said. I've had women explicitly tell me that "even though I say no, I still really want it" or "even if I resist, I want you to...". That's why you establish a safeword and discuss this prior to acting on it. Some of them want to play out the "ravishment" scenario.

Obviously, jumping into rapeplay or BDSM with ANY girl WITHOUT discussing it beforehand is stupid.

I thiiink thats what they are saying, that no "precautions" are actually done in the movie/book. I haven't read it so don't know, just that it looks mind achingly dumb.

I read a review once that said it was "Twilight does porn" I saw the word Twilight and my brain immedietaly said "nope not touching that, if you even try that I'll leave you crying, in a clown suit, in a ditch."

Dude you just saw "Lucy" yet this is somehow too stupid for you.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I'm not outraged. It just looks utterly stupid. The kind of stupid that transcends "so stupid its funny" to "so stupid you just want to spoon your own eyes out to take away the pain."

I've read bits and pieces from it. The style is clumsy. It's honestly even worse written than The Hunger Games and The DaVinci Code.

Worse written, eh?

Good to know we've got an expert in the house.

Unless of course you meant something more along the lines of, "More poorly written."

 cincydooley wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I'm not outraged. It just looks utterly stupid. The kind of stupid that transcends "so stupid its funny" to "so stupid you just want to spoon your own eyes out to take away the pain."

I've read bits and pieces from it. The style is clumsy. It's honestly even worse written than The Hunger Games and The DaVinci Code.

Worse written, eh?

Good to know we've got an expert in the house.

Unless of course you meant something more along the lines of, "More poorly written."

Troll harder mate.

Despite the fact that I agree that 50 Shades is terribly written, I just get a kick out of people talking about clumsy writing when they have trouble themselves.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
That's not exactly what they said. I've had women explicitly tell me that "even though I say no, I still really want it" or "even if I resist, I want you to...". That's why you establish a safeword and discuss this prior to acting on it. Some of them want to play out the "ravishment" scenario.

Obviously, jumping into rapeplay or BDSM with ANY girl WITHOUT discussing it beforehand is stupid.

I thiiink thats what they are saying, that no "precautions" are actually done in the movie/book. I haven't read it so don't know, just that it looks mind achingly dumb.

I read a review once that said it was "Twilight does porn" I saw the word Twilight and my brain immedietaly said "nope not touching that, if you even try that I'll leave you crying, in a clown suit, in a ditch."

Dude you just saw "Lucy" yet this is somehow too stupid for you.

1. I saw Lucy after a half bottle of port. I'll see almost any movie after a half bottle of port if I'm getting a ribeye after. I'm easy but I am not cheap.
2. Hey it looked like it would be cool. I still can't tell if I liked it or not.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
That's not exactly what they said. I've had women explicitly tell me that "even though I say no, I still really want it" or "even if I resist, I want you to...". That's why you establish a safeword and discuss this prior to acting on it. Some of them want to play out the "ravishment" scenario.

Obviously, jumping into rapeplay or BDSM with ANY girl WITHOUT discussing it beforehand is stupid.

I thiiink thats what they are saying, that no "precautions" are actually done in the movie/book. I haven't read it so don't know, just that it looks mind achingly dumb.

I read a review once that said it was "Twilight does porn" I saw the word Twilight and my brain immedietaly said "nope not touching that, if you even try that I'll leave you crying, in a clown suit, in a ditch."

Dude you just saw "Lucy" yet this is somehow too stupid for you.

1. I saw Lucy after a half bottle of port. I'll see almost any movie after a half bottle of port if I'm getting a ribeye after. I'm easy but I am not cheap.
2. Hey it looked like it would be cool. I still can't tell if I liked it or not.

Port+Scarlett Johansson+Morgan Freeman...

Dude... that's my kind of night!

 cincydooley wrote:


Despite the fact that I agree that 50 Shades is terribly written, I just get a kick out of people talking about clumsy writing when they have trouble themselves.

I'll endeavor to exert more effort in my future posts in order to pacify your petty jibes.

Woah... didn't expect to see that kind of spark in this thread...

Anywhoo... anyone wanna wager as to how (ahem) large the boxoffice returns will be?

 trexmeyer wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:


Despite the fact that I agree that 50 Shades is terribly written, I just get a kick out of people talking about clumsy writing when they have trouble themselves.

I'll endeavor to exert more effort in my future posts in order to pacify your petty jibes.

Awe. I hope the alliteration was intentional. If you're going to critique clumsy writing, at least take more care not to engage in it during said critique.

@Frazzled, I'm just teasing besides 50 Shades of Grey is geared towards chicks so you're not it's target audience plus the supposedly bad writing doesn't help either.

 whembly wrote:
Woah... didn't expect to see that kind of spark in this thread...

Anywhoo... anyone wanna wager as to how (ahem) large the boxoffice returns will be?

It's going to be huge, I'm sure.

Or at least that's what she said.

 cincydooley wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:


Despite the fact that I agree that 50 Shades is terribly written, I just get a kick out of people talking about clumsy writing when they have trouble themselves.

I'll endeavor to exert more effort in my future posts in order to pacify your petty jibes.

Awe. I hope the alliteration was intentional. If you're going to critique clumsy writing, at least take more care not to engage in it during said critique.

I wouldn't classify that post as alliteration. I believe three or more words with the same beginning letter is required for it to qualify as such.

@Whembly, I actually like Cincey. He's arrogant and a bit of a prick, but adorable all the same.