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Stircrazy wrote:
Yea i dont know what id do ive really only been playing the game since the new ork codex came out lol

Orks and an MEQ army have a different play style.
GK is an elite army. I guess its still competitve when the codex comes out.

Yea i like orkz i just wanna try something new

You can always just get a Librarian, a box or two of terminators and a dreadknight and toy around with them. That's about 200 bucks and gives you about 750 points at least, and a decent ally if you decide to go with a different ally.

If you like the fluff and think the models are awesome, don't let us jaded old codex vets dissuade you. You can still get some mileage out of them, we just had better expectations and were stabbed in the back.

I dont think anyone can convince me to not start them lol i'm going to pick up the codex friday and then start from there

Cool, good luck and enjoy!

Just gotta figure out where to start XD

They do have a good Army deal on the GW site, with a $50+ Savings, I forgot what it was called.
That and check eBay

Wheres this deal? i cant seem to find it

Stircrazy wrote:
Wheres this deal? i cant seem to find it

Well, I cant find it anymore, it might have been one of those limited deals.

Oh well that 60$ for 10 models seems good

Stircrazy wrote:
Oh well that 60$ for 10 models seems good

Another good place is Spiky Bits and in about a month Amazon

Fireraven wrote:
Omg 1 leaked paetial dex and we know it all. The guy did not scan the storm ravens 2nd page with gear. If he forgot that then what else was missed look at the dex first your self and see if it worth buying or not.

I have the book, it's pretty much all there.

 ductvader wrote:

Fireraven wrote:
Omg 1 leaked paetial dex and we know it all. The guy did not scan the storm ravens 2nd page with gear. If he forgot that then what else was missed look at the dex first your self and see if it worth buying or not.

I have the book, it's pretty much all there.

Great.

How about formations in the book?

The power of it seems to reside in the innate powers of units and characters.

I can tell you right now that Stern with guaranteed sanctuary is going in most of my lists.

Terminator Squads will look like this.
7 Swords, 1 Stave, 2 Hammers, 2 Psycannons, maybe a melta bomb, maybe a banner

Strikes-perfect for psilencers and incinerators

Dreadknights, teleport, psycannon, and incinerator. Shunting with 6 s7 rending shots is too good to not

Libbies, soul glaive ->ally
Libbies, liber->pure gk

Draigo=every turn shunt punching=paladins with 4 psycannons


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There's the Nemesis Strike Force, and the Grey Knights Brotherhood.

Brotherhood allows you to manifest warp charges on a 3+ as long as the GM lives and has the rites of teleportation and warlord reroll ability like the strike force

At work but it's something like

GM
BC
Champion
3 Strikes
2 Termies
2 Interceptors
1 Dreadknight
1 Dreadnought


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Purifiers soul blaze attacks are nice because it's passive.

Purgators got night vision.


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Did we see dreadknight cost? I forget...his teleport pack is the cost of a tyranid warrior.


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And if people didn't realize...Terminators have to pay for weapons now.

The weirdest entry in the book is the librarian though...access to combiweapons and his hammer is 5 pts cheaper for no reason.

 ductvader wrote:
The weirdest entry in the book is the librarian though...access to combiweapons and his hammer is 5 pts cheaper for no reason.

He comes stock with a ward stave, which he would normally have to pay 4pts for, so they gave him a nice round 5pt hammer instead of 6. He can also "downgrade" to the other weapons for free.

katfude wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
The weirdest entry in the book is the librarian though...access to combiweapons and his hammer is 5 pts cheaper for no reason.

He comes stock with a ward stave, which he would normally have to pay 4pts for, so they gave him a nice round 5pt hammer instead of 6. He can also "downgrade" to the other weapons for free.

Ah, that makes sense, and the only reason I see for the combi weapons is that the model itself comes with a combi plasma.

katfude wrote:
Well, he's smashing, so 1 S8 AP2 attack. Most likely he's rerolling a 4++, saving 75% of the time. So he's annoying, but most ICs are still going to smack his face in without hesitation. In literally every other situation he's not bueno in CC.

All he's relegated to is farting out fire with some purifiers for buff stacking and maybe brow beating some sergeants.

Only if the opponent also has AP2, otherwise he'd be rerolling his 2+
Still, a 75% save is between a 2++ and 3++, which is quite awesome.
I can only imagine the pain it would bring if you manage to get Sanctuary on him! A rerollable 3++ is damn scary.

And don't forget that Smash increases ALL your attacks to AP2 and you have the choice to make one attack at S8 (or 10 if used with Hammerhand)

Kangodo wrote:

katfude wrote:
Well, he's smashing, so 1 S8 AP2 attack. Most likely he's rerolling a 4++, saving 75% of the time. So he's annoying, but most ICs are still going to smack his face in without hesitation. In literally every other situation he's not bueno in CC.

All he's relegated to is farting out fire with some purifiers for buff stacking and maybe brow beating some sergeants.

Only if the opponent also has AP2, otherwise he'd be rerolling his 2+
Still, a 75% save is between a 2++ and 3++, which is quite awesome.
I can only imagine the pain it would bring if you manage to get Sanctuary on him! A rerollable 3++ is damn scary.

And don't forget that Smash increases ALL your attacks to AP2 and you have the choice to make one attack at S8 (or 10 if used with Hammerhand)

And WS8...mastercrafted...

Where did you find the Master-crafted?

I honestly think that except in certain circumstances you're better off with a regular CAD as opposed to one of the formations due to the restrictions they place on the number of dreadknights you can take.

Kangodo wrote:
Where did you find the Master-crafted?

My book's in the car right now. Maybe just champion's are mastercrafted? Annointed blades used to be. I could be wrong.

Dreadknights are good, but ShuntKnights and 1st turn Deepstriking everythings will be a thing.


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Also, the fluff is great.

Really flushed out Draigo, Crowe, and Stern and made them respectable.

Draigo's fluff ends with his entrance into the Warp...it's mostly about his rise to Supreme Grand Master.
The Titansword changes origin. Even Janus fought with it.

It finally makes sense why Crowe has to fight with Antwyr.

Stern's fluff makes him seem like he's on the way to becoming the biggest badass GK there ever was...Draigo included.

Titan and the GK structure is finally flushed out.

You are right, the Champions carry a MC'd NF-Sword.
I haven't seen the fluff yet, that is too bad.

 greyknight12 wrote:
I honestly think that except in certain circumstances you're better off with a regular CAD as opposed to one of the formations due to the restrictions they place on the number of dreadknights you can take.

Well I'll tell you one thing, the 1 hq, 1 troop formation is fantastic if you want to run GK as 'allies'. Allied formation only allows one DK but the deep strike formation allows 2 and you only need to pay for one troop. Heck with that formation you could do two Librarians, one troop and two DKs if you wanted to.

Did anyone else notice that Purgation now have Deep Strike? That could be interesting.

Zimko wrote:
Did anyone else notice that Purgation now have Deep Strike? That could be interesting.

They don't
Interceptors and Strikes have Deep Strike, Purgators have Night Vision whereas Purifiers have Purifying Weapons and additional Psychic powers.
All of course have some difference in the amount of special weapons they can take.

I like those small differences, made it quite easy to make them in BS; just copy paste and change a few things

Kangodo wrote:

Zimko wrote:
Did anyone else notice that Purgation now have Deep Strike? That could be interesting.

They don't
Interceptors and Strikes have Deep Strike, Purgators have Night Vision whereas Purifiers have Purifying Weapons and additional Psychic powers.
All of course have some difference in the amount of special weapons they can take.

I like those small differences, made it quite easy to make them in BS; just copy paste and change a few things

Everyone is being put in line with 7th.

Simplify simplify...the GW motto right now. They're making the game easier to pick up. And focusing on selling models. THUS, the INTENSE amount of work put into model building/mashing/painting and giant images everywhere in the codecies.


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Soul Blaze incinerators for 5 pts though, that's tasty.

Hmm ok so Purgations are still useless. Oh well at least DKs are awesome.

The new Crowe doesn't look that bad. He's much more useful than he was originally. Before, I took him only to make Purifiers scoring. In the game he sat in a transport, never wanting to get out because if he charges a unit then he'll only get 1 maybe 2 attacks since only 1 model will be in base to base with him. The only thing he was decent at killing was other characters.

Now that he actually has an attack profile, he can do damage to normal units on the turn he charges. Plus he's an independent character. What is the stipulation with Smash? Does he only get that against characters or does he always have AP 2?

 ductvader wrote:
Everyone is being put in line with 7th

If only! We are still discussing how we could write the DA-weapons in such a way that it works with the program.
The GK-codex was a gift from heaven in writing the datafile

Soul Blaze incinerators for 5 pts though, that's tasty.

Don't forget that Strikes also have this, and Interceptors!
You can jump/deep strike and throw some flamers onto it.

Zimko wrote:
Hmm ok so Purgations are still useless. Oh well at least DKs are awesome.

The new Crowe doesn't look that bad. He's much more useful than he was originally. Before, I took him only to make Purifiers scoring. In the game he sat in a transport, never wanting to get out because if he charges a unit then he'll only get 1 maybe 2 attacks since only 1 model will be in base to base with him. The only thing he was decent at killing was other characters.

Now that he actually has an attack profile, he can do damage to normal units on the turn he charges. Plus he's an independent character. What is the stipulation with Smash? Does he only get that against characters or does he always have AP 2?

Purgators are the GK's "Devastators".
170 points for 16 S7 AP4 shots with Rending at 24" seems quite strong.
The downside is that they cannot move or else they'd be reduced to 8 shots at 12".
But if you keep them on one spot, they sound quite dangerous.

Kangodo wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
Everyone is being put in line with 7th

If only! We are still discussing how we could write the DA-weapons in such a way that it works with the program.
The GK-codex was a gift from heaven in writing the datafile

Soul Blaze incinerators for 5 pts though, that's tasty.

Don't forget that Strikes also have this, and Interceptors!
You can jump/deep strike and throw some flamers onto it.

And combat squad 2 Incinerators into a suicide squad whilst the other five hold an objective.

Seems like GK are taking a few hits like SW and Orks did. I originally heard rumors that daemons would be stronger when it was GK vs daemons. Anything more of that surfaced yet?