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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Stormravens are still solid anti armor/flyers

Better than before for us... -fortitude

I dunno, I think the Mindstrike missiles provided a niche utility to threaten psykers in a way no other army can. With that AND fortitude gone, they're just regular 'ole Stormravens, which aren't bad, but not great either.

What are the mindstrike missiles replaced with?

Zimko wrote:
What are the mindstrike missiles replaced with?

Storm strike str 8 ap 2 w/e stock ravens get now

Oh, well that goes well with the Multi-Melta build. I'll probably keep the Assault Cannon and use PotMS to shoot at different targets. The Mindstrikes were a gimic that only really did well against psykers. Now I can use them against any army.

Stircrazy wrote:
Hello folks i was just curious as to where do you think i should start off building a Grey Knight army im picking up the Codex this friday and was curious to everyones thoughts

Don't start a GK army. Not a big one. If you want to use one as part of another force sure, then go for it. Dreadknights are awesome, Librarians are awesome and Terminator troops are ok. Fun can be had with Purifiers and Interceptors too depending on the list but stay away from Strike Squads. And dreadnaughts.

Get every set there is for GKs. Damn lot of money but *poof* instant army.

katfude wrote:
HQ:
Librarian top tier
Everything else is meh.

Elites:
Paladins and Purifiers top tier
Everything else is crap.

Troops:
Terminators are ok.
Strikes are meh.

Fast attack:
Interceptors are top tier
Stormraven is very meh.

Heavy Support:
There is no heavy support, only Dreadknights. Buy at least 2.

You can probably make a list similar to this for most 40K armies.

What I'm getting out of your list is I should stock up on Librarians, Paladins, Purifiers, Terminators, Interceptors, and Dreadknights

just a question, can a dread knight activate both force and sanctuary even only being ML1? I cant seem to find anything on how many powers can be manifested by a psyker assuming you have enough warp charges for both. Only limitation I see is that he can't try to activate either twice obviously

Edit: Nvm found my answer on page 22 of the rules

 Zagman wrote:
Unfortunate, first time I've ever thought about playing unbound..... Just to play the army I've played for years....
Ugg, probably going to be Driago, Libby, 2x Terminators, Paladins, Dreadknights running a CAD.

Tip: Take only one unit of Terminators and use the Nemesis Strike force to obtain more Paladins
The Turn 1 Deep Strike might benefit you more than the ObSec.

katfude wrote:
Oof, Crowe got a total brow beating, along with Champs. No more rending makes him punch like a 12 year old. When he dies, he throws 1 naked baby punch. That's it.

But in a Challenge he hits at AP2 and rerolls his failed saving throws.
Crowe would first cast Cleansing Flame, then his unit gets Hammerhand and you attack.
With I6, WS8 and 4A on the Charge that can be quite deadly to nearly any IC's.
Especially combined with his HoW-attack.

"Grandmaster" AKA ML3 Brother Captain is OK, but lost access to A LOT of toys. No more Grand Strategy, orbital bombs every turn... etc etc etc.

I think the best idea would be to combine Soul Glaive with a Psilencer and have some Psilencers on 5 Paladins.
18 S4 shots with almost guaranteed activation of Force seems quite strong, especially if you follow that up with a charge where you reroll nearly every failed dice with the GM.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Indeed, Strikes got nerfed.
The new FOC just requires one troop unit and so GK players should be able to live with it.
Strikes can deep strike and so might get into target range for the psycannon.

Why? You could just play more Terminators
I personally don't see much use in Strike Squads, they are too expensive compared to Terminators.
Or perhaps Terminators are just too cheap compared to the Strike Squad

Oddly I think Strike Squads might do best as Objective Holders on your side of the table.

Good point!
They are cheap enough, they don't have to move a lot and they can get a cheap Psycannon to stop Trukks, Rhino's and Razorbacks that get through your defenses.

Kangodo wrote:
Good point!
They are cheap enough, they don't have to move a lot and they can get a cheap Psycannon to stop Trukks, Rhino's and Razorbacks that get through your defenses.

Tack on a TL-LC or Las/Plas Razorback for some extra killing power. I like to use my Razorbacks tooled up that way as M18 Hellcats. Put them in cover and if you need to Shoot-n-Scoot, well this is 40k...Scoot-n-Shoot.

Extra killing power? Don't forget that the Razorback will also have ObSec when taken in a CAD!

Sadly I don't play Grey Knights.
But putting together their new BS-data file made me really enthusiastic for them.
It was either them or BA when I started, so now I'm thinking of adding them as my third army.
Or I can buy arms and get rid of my 15 PF/SB-TDA's from that Army, I never field them anyway.

Kangodo wrote:
Extra killing power? Don't forget that the Razorback will also have ObSec when taken in a CAD!

Sadly I don't play Grey Knights.
But putting together their new BS-data file made me really enthusiastic for them.
It was either them or BA when I started, so now I'm thinking of adding them as my third army.
Or I can buy arms and get rid of my 15 PF/SB-TDA's from that Army, I never field them anyway.

I might have to change my Purifier Razorback to my Strike Squad and Heave Support Land Raider to my Terminator Squad. That will put my Purifiers into the Stormraven.
Hmmmm...

How do people feel about running the terminators now? MSU deep striking in first turn has a death wing feel but, I've noticed when using a shunt list MSU scsn cause damage but still get shot off the board.

I was thinking of msu terminators in land raiders for bigger games.

I'm starting to like falchions on terminators. With hammer hand activated you'll already be wounding things on a 2+, so the bonus from halberds is kind of wasted unless you attacking MCs or vehicles. Plus with low models on the table the extra attacks could make them a lot meaner.

 l0k1 wrote:
How do people feel about running the terminators now? MSU deep striking in first turn has a death wing feel but, I've noticed when using a shunt list MSU scsn cause damage but still get shot off the board.

I was thinking of msu terminators in land raiders for bigger games.

I'm starting to like falchions on terminators. With hammer hand activated you'll already be wounding things on a 2+, so the bonus from halberds is kind of wasted unless you attacking MCs or vehicles. Plus with low models on the table the extra attacks could make them a lot meaner.

I could see a pair of 5 man Terminator Squads loaded into "God-Hammer" Land Raiders for taking Objectives.

Was just going to say 5 man terminator squads with ObSec land raiders lol

Kangodo wrote:

katfude wrote:
Oof, Crowe got a total brow beating, along with Champs. No more rending makes him punch like a 12 year old. When he dies, he throws 1 naked baby punch. That's it.

But in a Challenge he hits at AP2 and rerolls his failed saving throws.
Crowe would first cast Cleansing Flame, then his unit gets Hammerhand and you attack.
With I6, WS8 and 4A on the Charge that can be quite deadly to nearly any IC's.
Especially combined with his HoW-attack.

Well, he's smashing, so 1 S8 AP2 attack. Most likely he's rerolling a 4++, saving 75% of the time. So he's annoying, but most ICs are still going to smack his face in without hesitation. In literally every other situation he's not bueno in CC.

All he's relegated to is farting out fire with some purifiers for buff stacking and maybe brow beating some sergeants.

I'm also starting to weigh the pros and cons of running purgation squads with 4 Psilencers pumping out 24 shots of instant death at multi wound death stars like Paladins or Thunderwolf Cav, but DAT Dreadknight.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Stormravens are still solid anti armor/flyers

Just lascannon/melta it up now. And the missles are solid at str 8 ap 2

No more mindstrike troo

But all of our marines now have mindstrike grenades

To be fair, Mindstrike Missiles probably aren't as good as they used to be, seeing as a good perils roll by the opponent sees them getting buffed.

And by Mindstrike Grenades I assume you mean Psykout?

Well as a guy who never got to play them before this codex would you still recommend them to me? i love my orkz and just wanted a shooty beatstick army

Stircrazy wrote:
Well as a guy who never got to play them before this codex would you still recommend them to me? i love my orkz and just wanted a shooty beatstick army

If you want to give them a try, go for it, the worst you will have is a cool looking Army.

I just want an army that doesn't get completely slaughtered by eldar lol i have yet to beat my friend and i want to smash him!

Stircrazy wrote:
I just want an army that doesn't get completely slaughtered by eldar lol i have yet to beat my friend and i want to smash him!

The only army that doesnt get completely slaughtered by eldar right now is...eldar

 Crazyterran wrote:


And by Mindstrike Grenades I assume you mean Psykout?

Yea, I'm just gonna call em Mindstrike Grenades though. So I remember I have them and what they do now

ahh well i dont wanna play Eldar lol so i guess ill go with my Battle Wagon trukk plan XD

Omg 1 leaked paetial dex and we know it all. The guy did not scan the storm ravens 2nd page with gear. If he forgot that then what else was missed look at the dex first your self and see if it worth buying or not.

Im probably still going to start building them slowly i've always loved their backstory and i like their fluff

Stircrazy wrote:
Im probably still going to start building them slowly i've always loved their backstory and i like their fluff

Well, I think its worth it building up a GK army.
I'd find a way to integrate some allies.

Yea i dont know what id do ive really only been playing the game since the new ork codex came out lol