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I mean, and if they really think Heroes with disabilities are underrepresented, they've apparently not seen How to Train Your Dragon, one of the most popular animated movies of the past 5 years, or its sequel.

 cincydooley wrote:
Additionally, it just occured to me that GIngers/Redheads are the 2nd most represented Disney Princess group!

You gotta give the dads in this world a motivation to watch the movies

 Sigvatr wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Additionally, it just occured to me that GIngers/Redheads are the 2nd most represented Disney Princess group!

You gotta give the dads in this world a motivation to watch the movies

There is literally no tanned and blonde Disney Princess. It's probably purposeful to distance them from Barbie...but man, when I realized this I was sort of shocked.

And the closest one, Rapunzel, is happier when her hair is Dark!

The real question here should be, "What does Disney have against blondes?!?"

 d-usa wrote:

I don't think it's as much a "Disney 'must' do this" and more of a "hey Disney, we would spend our money on you if you did it".

Precisely. Badmouthing a company when it doesn't comply to anything, however, is extremely common and just misplaced. People are free to voice their concerns, but some people feel like others are entitled to do something because of PC or anything - and that's just stupid to a vast degree.


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 cincydooley wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Additionally, it just occured to me that GIngers/Redheads are the 2nd most represented Disney Princess group!

You gotta give the dads in this world a motivation to watch the movies

There is literally no tanned and blonde Disney Princess. It's probably purposeful to distance them from Barbie...but man, when I realized this I was sort of shocked.

And the closest one, Rapunzel, is happier when her hair is Dark!

The real question here should be, "What does Disney have against blondes?!?"

A pale skin makes a woman appear younger and innocent, thus fits a princess. Pocahontas, for example, is more of an ebony and not a classical princess.

 cincydooley wrote:
I mean, and if they really think Heroes with disabilities are underrepresented, they've apparently not seen How to Train Your Dragon, one of the most popular animated movies of the past 5 years, or its sequel.

There's always Charles Xavier as well. The man's wheelchair-bound, after all.

I think they want mental disabilities. The kind that are difficult to overcome

There is really no "proper" way to say no without coming off as an ass by giving an explanation...so I'm just gonna say no. This can only end badly. I hope Disney doesn't do this, it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I mean, and if they really think Heroes with disabilities are underrepresented, they've apparently not seen How to Train Your Dragon, one of the most popular animated movies of the past 5 years, or its sequel.

There's always Charles Xavier as well. The man's wheelchair-bound, after all.

I don't think wheelchair-bound with superhuman powers counts as disabled

Especially when he alooked moonlights as a starship captain

Super-people are often flawed individuals in some regard, it's a bit of a hard comparison to Disney princess.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I mean, and if they really think Heroes with disabilities are underrepresented, they've apparently not seen How to Train Your Dragon, one of the most popular animated movies of the past 5 years, or its sequel.

There's always Charles Xavier as well. The man's wheelchair-bound, after all.

I don't think wheelchair-bound with superhuman powers counts as disabled

in which case "ordinary" people with superpowers oughtn't count either, since they're not ordinary at all.

There aren't ordinary people with super powers...as you said...cannot both be ordinary and habe super powers.

 Sigvatr wrote:
There aren't ordinary people with super powers...as you said...cannot both be ordinary and habe super powers.

In which case no one is overrepresented, and there's no problem to solve! Cookies for everyone!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
There aren't ordinary people with super powers...as you said...cannot both be ordinary and habe super powers.

In which case no one is overrepresented, and there's no problem to solve! Cookies for everyone!

You kinda lost me D:

If they are talking about special needs because of stuff like "Down Syndrome", no, Disney shouldn't touch it at all. I think that even a movie made with the best intentions and with the biggest care in the world would work.

If we are talking physical, we already have some characters. Like it was mentioned, Charles Xavier is one, but the dude I mostly remember that's in a wheelchair and still kicking ass:



"I'm afraid of no ghost!"

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think they want mental disabilities. The kind that are difficult to overcome

Because physical disabilities are so easy to overcome, right?

I'm not so sure you think about what you post sometimes....


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 TheDraconicLord wrote:
If they are talking about special needs because of stuff like "Down Syndrome",

1. No need for the quotations; it's an actual thing named after an actual physician, not a slang name for it. But if you're uncomfortable with that, you can just call it Tri21. Many people do.

2. They are specifically talking about Tri21 here; it says so in the 2nd sentence of the article.

Is everyone commenting actually reading the article? Because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

 cincydooley wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
If they are talking about special needs because of stuff like "Down Syndrome",

1. No need for the quotations; it's an actual thing named after an actual physician, not a slang name for it. But if you're uncomfortable with that, you can just call it Tri21. Many people do.

2. They are specifically talking about Tri21 here; it says so in the 2nd sentence of the article.

Is everyone commenting actually reading the article? Because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

No, no, you are not on crazy pills, it's there alright, I'm just blind it seems

I look forward to the creation of Princess Dumbulina.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:


No, no, you are not on crazy pills, it's there alright, I'm just blind it seems

You're good; it just seems like on this thread, more than most, people seem to be missing a primary piece of info from the article itself.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
There aren't ordinary people with super powers...as you said...cannot both be ordinary and habe super powers.

In which case no one is overrepresented, and there's no problem to solve! Cookies for everyone!

You kinda lost me D:

If people want a "special needs" Superhero to increase diversity, presumably the idea is that there's a too big proportion of "normal" people representing Superheroes. If Xavier doesn't count as a disabled Superhero because he's "too powereful" or somesuch, I would posit that there's by default no such thing as a disabled Superhero, which seems like a downer (no pun intended).

That's exactly why its a bad idea.

What other challenge would this ''princess'' need to overcome other than bullying and derogatory language. Which means highly offensive scenes portraying that.

A thing to note is that it would result in a very dumb and petty villain to serve as the counter since the strengths of the villainous character tends to be an antithesis of the hero. So you'd have a mentally handicapped hero to be thwarted by a villain of average capacity and intelligence, sounds like an epic tale to me.

 Alpharius wrote:


Full disclosure - my youngest daughter is autistic, and I just can't see how this would end well at all for Disney.

I've seen a blog/article online by a "regular movie goer" in which the author congratulated Marvel for a job well done on Guardians of the Galaxy. See, his brother is much the same as your daughter, Autistic. Now, apparently this guy went with his younger brother who instantly fell in love with Drax, and this kid completely identified with the character, as this boys' manifestation of Autism is much the same as Drax's characterization.


Beyond that, I agree with you, and others in thnking/not seeing how certain disabilities can/would work on screen without screaming tokenism, or a fairly offensive portrayal.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
There aren't ordinary people with super powers...as you said...cannot both be ordinary and habe super powers.

In which case no one is overrepresented, and there's no problem to solve! Cookies for everyone!

You kinda lost me D:

If people want a "special needs" Superhero to increase diversity, presumably the idea is that there's a too big proportion of "normal" people representing Superheroes. If Xavier doesn't count as a disabled Superhero because he's "too powereful" or somesuch, I would posit that there's by default no such thing as a disabled Superhero, which seems like a downer (no pun intended).

Thanks, got it

 Sigvatr wrote:

Precisely. Badmouthing a company when it doesn't comply to anything, however, is extremely common and just misplaced. People are free to voice their concerns, but some people feel like others are entitled to do something because of PC or anything - and that's just stupid to a vast degree.

Where are people badmouthing Disney here? All I see is a petition asking Disney to make a special needs Princess.

 Grey Templar wrote:
That's exactly why its a bad idea.

What other challenge would this ''princess'' need to overcome other than bullying and derogatory language. Which means highly offensive scenes portraying that.

This is my favorite argument so far. Just because you cannot think of something for a story does not mean a company whose business is to make movies for children, cannot. This is incredibly ridiculous.

 stanman wrote:
A thing to note is that it would result in a very dumb and petty villain to serve as the counter since the strengths of the villainous character tends to be an antithesis of the hero. So you'd have a mentally handicapped hero to be thwarted by a villain of average capacity and intelligence, sounds like an epic tale to me.

Or maybe the Supervillain underestimates the Hero and is defeated by their own bigotry? Again, just because you cannot think of a story does not mean Disney cannot. They get paid to do this kind of thing!

I think it would be totally possible. It would just take a little creativity, something sadly lacking in this thread.

I mean, just off the top of my head: It could be a story about a young girl with special needs who feels outcast from her peers and escapes into a fantasy world in which she becomes a princess, and who, in the process, learns to love herself and recognise her value. Or something.

That literally took the time it took to type that. C'mon, people.

 LordofHats wrote:
We could actually probably give Disney some credit on that front. Yes most of the princess' are white, but there's at least 1 of each major ethnic group save Latino also present in the group.

You forget Dora the Explorer. Although she's technically an "Undocumented Princess" who happened to swim across a river and climb over a fence into the magic kingdom.


She typically isn't in the princess line up pictures as they always forget to send picture-day notices to house keeping.

 stanman wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
We could actually probably give Disney some credit on that front. Yes most of the princess' are white, but there's at least 1 of each major ethnic group save Latino also present in the group.

You forget Dora the Explorer. Although she's technically an "Undocumented Princess" who happened to swim across a river and climb over a fence into the magic kingdom.

Congratulations on being a racist!

 Fafnir wrote:
I present to you all, Princess Bleh

Sorry from 3 pages back but Thank god i wasnt the only one who though of that from the title

Personally i wouldn't mind seeing some diversity. it would just depend how far they go with it.

Edit: Actually a multiple personally disorder princess might be interesting. then disney magic and stuff.

 Albatross wrote:

 stanman wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
We could actually probably give Disney some credit on that front. Yes most of the princess' are white, but there's at least 1 of each major ethnic group save Latino also present in the group.

You forget Dora the Explorer. Although she's technically an "Undocumented Princess" who happened to swim across a river and climb over a fence into the magic kingdom.

Congratulations on being a racist!

Cmon bro, she's brown skinned and speaks Spanish, so she is obviously Mexican, and if she is Mexican, she obviously is an illegal immigrant. Super simple stuff really.