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Ouze is my favourite.

The first thing the OP did wrong was that he didn't contact GW customer service about his missing piece. An independent retailer shouldn't have to burn a kit and potential income on that kit to make up for a manufacturing or packaging mistake.

OP failed.

In the EU the contract is with the store, not the manufacturer, returning it to the store is usually the first thing to do.

GW is a point in case though.

Call GW CS and get a replacement model sent without leaving the comfort of home would be my choice unless the store was very, very close.

 Ouze wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
6: Did the store owner apologize?

Was the cleric fired?

It's well known that clerics have the right to lay on hands.

I peed a little.

I dont know how other country, but we can ask salesman to open package and check it.

Herzlos wrote:
In the EU the contract is with the store, not the manufacturer, returning it to the store is usually the first thing to do.

Returning it to the store, yes. Showing up at the store without the defective product or any proof of purchase and asking for a replacement? Not really.

And also, private security does have the right to detain someone that is a suspect of theft until the police arrives, I don't know where the OP got that "they can't touch me" baloney. He is very lucky if he doesn't go to court for assault charges.

But I'm with everyone that this thread has set my "bs" senses tingling.

nkelsch wrote:


Where?

In most US jurisdictions they can physically detain you as long as it is not for an 'unreasonable' amount of time. They can put their hands on you and block your path as long as you have broken an actual law. They cannot arrest you but they can detain you until police arrive. Some places may even handcuff you legally, especially depending on the 'response' of the person. The more violent the person is, the higher level of response they may use. As long as they are not the one escalating, they are going to be within their rights. If you are trying to evade and leave the premises they CAN grab you. If you begin being violent, they CAN restrain you. If you begin putting others at risk they CAN mace you and handcuff you.

It is called the Use of force continuum.

If you think you can actually 'sue' private security for touching you if they are physically detaining you with reasonable evidence that you have committed a crime, you are going to have a really rude awakening.

I know when I was in retail it was spelled out very clear that asset protection (the store security) could NOT physically touch a suspected shoplifter / offender unless they touched you first or it was in self defense of some kind. It's a shame and I don't agree with it, because we had a woman tackle a shoplifter who ran and even though she was a good employee and this was her only physical incident, they had to fire her as part of a legal settlement. Granted, this was 10-11 years ago and things could of changed from then or it could be on a state level, but just my personal experience.

Dude you should have called GW they would have been better for help then the guy at the store. Beside that that guy!

Tell friends and family never to go write a review of what happened.

Man im sorry that happened to you though that sucks!

I am amazed at the number of people here that would be ok with some strange guy grabbing you for no reason, especially after you told them "Don't touch me!"

It wasn't a cop... it was some guy pretending to dress like a cop.

Steelmage99 wrote:
You have a wife, meaning that you are an adult.....and yet decides that an appropriate response was kicking a mall guard like a child?

In his defense if a mall rent a cop grabbed me the best thing that happens is a major lawsuit. Thats battery and I will respond appropriately up to and including the full use of force available under Texas statutes.


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In most US jurisdictions they can physically detain you as long as it is not for an 'unreasonable' amount of time.

Er...no. Maybe in your jurisidiction but in civilized locations they have to be police to do that. Mall cops are not police. By touching you they are committing battery. If you attempt battery on me or my wife you may find that we have something else already in battery.

Don't mess with Texas

 Chute82 wrote:
So you kicked a pregnant security guard in the belly...

Threw her down a flight of stairs too, right after saying her pants made her butt look big.

Assuming not a troll:

1. Call GW for the mini, if you have the receipt.
2. Don't go back to the store.
3. Resist the urge to invade France. I know this is genetically...difficult, but you've got to try.


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 Ouze wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
6: Did the store owner apologize?

Was the cleric fired?

It's well known that clerics have the right to lay on hands.

Thats good, thats real good.


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I know when I was in retail it was spelled out very clear that asset protection (the store security) could NOT physically touch a suspected shoplifter / offender unless they touched you first or it was in self defense of some kind. It's a shame and I don't agree with it, because we had a woman tackle a shoplifter who ran and even though she was a good employee and this was her only physical incident, they had to fire her as part of a legal settlement. Granted, this was 10-11 years ago and things could of changed from then or it could be on a state level, but just my personal experience.

Exactly. It depends on the jurisdiction. Know you rights, but be polite at all times, unless their pants make their butts look big.


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 Anglacon wrote:
I am amazed at the number of people here that would be ok with some strange guy grabbing you for no reason, especially after you told them "Don't touch me!"

It wasn't a cop... it was some guy pretending to dress like a cop.

What if he's a she and she's really cute?

 Frazzled wrote:

3. Resist the urge to invade France. I know this is genetically...difficult, but you've got to try.

Even setting aside the xenophobia for a moment (for an american I know this is genetically... difficult) didja miss the bits where he said he was an Israeli living in France?

 Vermis wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

3. Resist the urge to invade France. I know this is genetically...difficult, but you've got to try.

Even setting aside the xenophobia for a moment (for an american I know this is genetically... difficult) didja miss the bits where he said he was an Israeli living in France?

Good point. I'll modify.

3. Resist he urge to invade France. I know this is difficult, but you've got to try.

Its France's fault. If they didn't make such excellent wine and croissants, tempting us with their treats.

 Frazzled wrote:

What if he's a she and she's really cute?

Oh, hey now... there is an exception to every rule!
I would act really guilty and hint that I may need to be frisked...

 Frazzled wrote:


Er...no. Maybe in your jurisidiction but in civilized locations they have to be police to do that. Mall cops are not police. By touching you they are committing battery. If you attempt battery on me or my wife you may find that we have something else already in battery.

In most jurisdictions they do have the right to touch you and respond to escalated force. If a "mall cop" touches you in texas, he has not commited battery:

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.........


Sec. 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third person's land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent, or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm#9.43

They follow the escalation of force. They first will block your path, and if you try to push them out of the way, you have escalated force and then they will grab you, if you fight back you have escalated force and they can now restrain you.

It is fun to internet tough guy to pretend you can beat a mall cop to death and claim you have the right but if there is reasonable evidence of criminal activity or theft, if you think you do not have the right to be touched and 'fight back' you gonna enjoy yourself in prison. Virtually everywhere int he US, MALL COPS have the right to touch you, detain you and restrain you if there is reasonable evidence of theft or a crime.

nkelsch wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


Er...no. Maybe in your jurisidiction but in civilized locations they have to be police to do that. Mall cops are not police. By touching you they are committing battery. If you attempt battery on me or my wife you may find that we have something else already in battery.

In most jurisdictions they do have the right to touch you and respond to escalated force. If a "mall cop" touches you in texas, he has not commited battery:

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.........


Sec. 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third person's land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent, or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm#9.43

Check again. Your statute is effectively the castle doctrine. It would not apply in this circumstance.

They follow the escalation of force. They first will block your path, and if you try to push them out of the way, you have escalated force and then they will grab you, if you fight back you have escalated force and they can now restrain you.

If they touch me they commit battery. They know it I know it. Thats why they don't in Texas.

It is fun to internet tough guy to pretend you can beat a mall cop to death and claim you have the right but if there is reasonable evidence of criminal activity or theft, if you think you do not have the right to be touched and 'fight back' you gonna enjoy yourself in prison. Virtually everywhere int he US, MALL COPS have the right to touch you, detain you and restrain you if there is reasonable evidence of theft or a crime.

Strangely the law says otherwise and the wife's old cop friends disagree with you.

But hey do what you want, its not like I give a gak. Now if I were being an internet tough guy I'd say I'm 6'2'' experienced in 27 forms of combat, and they would never actually be able to touch me because I would employ proper aikido techniques because I would have seen them coming because I am trained in the latest low drag tacticool operator skills.
Thats how you do internet tough guy!



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 Anglacon wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

What if he's a she and she's really cute?

Oh, hey now... there is an exception to every rule!
I would act really guilty and hint that I may need to be frisked...

I foresee a really bad sound track, and poor camera work about to happen.

Frazzled you really should stay in your OT box and not come a pick on the nice smelling kids.

It smacks of Internet battery. And I should know as I'm 100' 9" and made of gold also fluent in over 5,000 forms of communication.

What happened to this thread?

XD

Thanks
Austin

It got better!

 notprop wrote:
It got better!

Sigh, no, it had to turn into a newt before it could get better. The thread missed a step.

Also, OP, there is only one thing to do: nuke the world. Anything less, and you haven't punished the owner enough. An argument could be made for you having rabid weasels stuffed down your own pants. That'll teach him for asking security to bother you!!

 notprop wrote:
Frazzled you really should stay in your OT box and not come a pick on the nice smelling kids.

It smacks of Internet battery. And I should know as I'm 100' 9" and made of gold also fluent in over 5,000 forms of communication.

Deep in the bowels of the Dakka there lurk…banes
Banes of the earth who remember when marines were not honorable, but mind scrubbed killers with “murder death kill” tattooed on their biceps, when elder wielded bolters and imperial guard flew speeders, when chaos marines spewed from their…personality magic that would create flowers of ultimate hue and glory.
Among these banes are one of the most terrifying, an ancient evil known as Frazzled, most ancient of dakkaites. He is risen from the OT to provide wisdom and honor to the younglings.

Come my children, sit by the fire and let us ponder what should be done for the honor of our battle brother.

Clearly he has been wronged. What would Malal, Fifth chaos god say? What would TBone, herald of the Great Winie and warmaster of all dachshunds do to this stain on his honor? Frazzled knows.
Our hero enters, ensconsed in trenchcoat, tattooed with Khorne upon his brow.
Shouting “Blood for the Blood God!”our hero must challenge the proprietor to personal combat. Invoking the name of the Bloody One our hero must attack the proprietor with twin whippy sticks, blessed by the Sensei themselves.

When the security personnel come our hero is prepared. Opening his trenchcoat he unleashes a full brace of wiener dogs – nature’s most perfect killer (hey if you’re bred to take out badgers IN THEIR OWN BURROW you’re officially badass)- upon the gendarmes. Distracted by their cuteness until its too late “oh dear god my ankles SO MUCH BLOOD!” you dab yourself in their sacrificial blood and finish off the proprietor, pelting him with vorpal grenades, virus bombs, and Eldar dreadnoughts.

When the police come, all they see is a terrifying message written in the blood of your victims. “WE ARE THE PAN FO. FEAR US FOR ALL YOUR SECRETS SHALL BE REVILED!!!”

Here endeth the lessons younglings.

 Anglacon wrote:
I am amazed at the number of people here that would be ok with some strange guy grabbing you for no reason, especially after you told them "Don't touch me!"

Shouting "don't touch me" is the number one sign of a lunatic who needs to be pinned, stat.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Anglacon wrote:
I am amazed at the number of people here that would be ok with some strange guy grabbing you for no reason, especially after you told them "Don't touch me!"

Shouting "don't touch me" is the number one sign of a lunatic who needs to be pinned, stat.

Agree..

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Anglacon wrote:
I am amazed at the number of people here that would be ok with some strange guy grabbing you for no reason, especially after you told them "Don't touch me!"

Shouting "don't touch me" is the number one sign of a lunatic who needs to be pinned, stat.

Indeed, one should shout "can't touch this!" and break into a hip hop routine,
Its what the Emperor of Mankind would do.

 Frazzled wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Anglacon wrote:
I am amazed at the number of people here that would be ok with some strange guy grabbing you for no reason, especially after you told them "Don't touch me!"

Shouting "don't touch me" is the number one sign of a lunatic who needs to be pinned, stat.

Indeed, one should shout "can't touch this!" and break into a hip hop routine,
Its what the Emperor of Mankind would do.

It is known.


No security guard in the world will interrupt a decent hammer time.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
So you kicked a pregnant security guard in the belly...

Threw her down a flight of stairs too, right after saying her pants made her butt look big.

Assuming not a troll:

1. Call GW for the mini, if you have the receipt.
2. Don't go back to the store.
3. Resist the urge to invade France. I know this is genetically...difficult, but you've got to try.


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 Ouze wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
6: Did the store owner apologize?

Was the cleric fired?

It's well known that clerics have the right to lay on hands.

Thats good, thats real good.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

I know when I was in retail it was spelled out very clear that asset protection (the store security) could NOT physically touch a suspected shoplifter / offender unless they touched you first or it was in self defense of some kind. It's a shame and I don't agree with it, because we had a woman tackle a shoplifter who ran and even though she was a good employee and this was her only physical incident, they had to fire her as part of a legal settlement. Granted, this was 10-11 years ago and things could of changed from then or it could be on a state level, but just my personal experience.

Exactly. It depends on the jurisdiction. Know you rights, but be polite at all times, unless their pants make their butts look big.


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 Anglacon wrote:
I am amazed at the number of people here that would be ok with some strange guy grabbing you for no reason, especially after you told them "Don't touch me!"

It wasn't a cop... it was some guy pretending to dress like a cop.

What if he's a she and she's really cute?

Oh my god, this entire post should be nominated for Excellence in Posting, 2014. Have an Exalt on me. I absolutely fething howled with laughter at "... genetically difficult..."


Side note : i can't believe this thread is still going. The Troll is strong with this one!


-- Haight

Is exalting joke posts really a good idea? This is meant to be a hobby discussion forum, not a wacky warehouse.

People are looking for hobby material and advise, not lolz.

Sorry to bump.

Dude this is general discussions related to gaming. Mellow the heck out.