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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uci-vote-to-ban-american-flag-others-misguided-20150307-story.html

The oversight committee slapped them down.

Good to hear.

Is there an end to the PC bs?

Or is it just going to get worse?

 Piston Honda wrote:
Is there an end to the PC bs?

Or is it just going to get worse?

It'll end when we're all rounded up and sent off to the camps.

 djones520 wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Is there an end to the PC bs?

Or is it just going to get worse?

It'll end when we're all rounded up and sent off to the camps.

I don't think so, it will just progress o the next stage.

PC don't swear, motyak will end whweh people say it will and society refuses to accept the labels that are automatically attached.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I'm old. One year for 'Political Awareness Week' the university I attended had Abbie Hoffman (before he died) come to campus. He lead a 'rally' in the student union I had to pass on my way (in uniform) to my ROTC class. He was spouting off his typical dried up leftist crap including "You can kick ROTC off your campus".

I've never really understood why some of those among the far left would want to kick ROTC off of university campuses. I feel like their priorities are backwards.

Far left? Do you even know what that means? There is no far left in the US. Only moderate centrists. Even your "communist" party is democratic socialist rather than actually communist.

Don't talk to me like that. Yes, I know what far left means, and despite what you might think, it does exist in the US. It's not as large, as main-stream, or as accepted as in some European countries, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's more going on in America than what you see on TV or read on the internet. Just because you're not familiar with it doesn't mean it's not a thing.


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 djones520 wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uci-vote-to-ban-american-flag-others-misguided-20150307-story.html

The oversight committee slapped them down.

Glad somebody there decided to engage their brain.

 Hordini wrote:

Don't talk to me like that. Yes, I know what far left means, and despite what you might think, it does exist in the US. It's not as large, as main-stream, or as accepted as in some European countries, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's more going on in America than what you see on TV or read on the internet. Just because you're not familiar with it doesn't mean it's not a thing.

Far left students is a student thing. Its a mixture of three factors, first teenage rebellion bleeding into student years. Second the fact that humans at this age are more radical than reactionary, and third due to peer pressure.

Its common with students everywhere to have a strong left wing contingent, its also a real left wing complete with the up-own-arse factor of the hardcore left. Working class socialists and students are completely different things. the working class are naturally on the left due to survival and outlook, and tend towards a mild left for the most part. they just want a better deal. The radical left wants to reform the elite to include themselves, and not liberal left in any form, though its wrapped up in liberal left dogma. How do we know this, because they are students, by having the opportunity of university they are already in the social minority and privileged. Some will be radical and ethical, but it would account for a minority. The rest are left because it pays to be on the left and there is power to be wielded on the left, even in the US.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
means? There is no far left in the US. Only moderate centrists. Even your "communist" party is democratic socialist rather than actually communist.

Says the 15-year old that's never been to the country.

So glad we have your input!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Silver spoon? The students with silver spoons attend Stanford or USC. The unwashed masses* go to the UC or CS schools.

*indeed.

No the unwashed masses go to CS schools. UC is for the favored sons, especially Berkeley and UCLA.

What's with having the flag everywhere anyways? And the Oath?

Over here the flag is flown when there's an official flag day, or for birthdays, or deaths (halfway ofc), or welcoming a foreign guest with his and our flag. You're allowed to fly it for any reason as long as you follow the guidelines, but very very few fly it just because "it's our flag". And the Oath, well... I've given exactly one such and that's when I completed basic training on my mandatory military service.

One would think things become meaningless if you do them every day without thinking. Almost as meaningless as student organisations protesting against things just because.

We are a martial state. France and Britain understand.

Brazil is similar, but instead of flags, they use Samba dancers.
SAMBA!

 Frazzled wrote:

Brazil is similar, but instead of flags, they use Samba dancers.
SAMBA!

That I could understand. :-)

 Orlanth wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

Don't talk to me like that. Yes, I know what far left means, and despite what you might think, it does exist in the US. It's not as large, as main-stream, or as accepted as in some European countries, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's more going on in America than what you see on TV or read on the internet. Just because you're not familiar with it doesn't mean it's not a thing.

Far left students is a student thing. Its a mixture of three factors, first teenage rebellion bleeding into student years. Second the fact that humans at this age are more radical than reactionary, and third due to peer pressure.

Its common with students everywhere to have a strong left wing contingent, its also a real left wing complete with the up-own-arse factor of the hardcore left. Working class socialists and students are completely different things. the working class are naturally on the left due to survival and outlook, and tend towards a mild left for the most part. they just want a better deal. The radical left wants to reform the elite to include themselves, and not liberal left in any form, though its wrapped up in liberal left dogma. How do we know this, because they are students, by having the opportunity of university they are already in the social minority and privileged. Some will be radical and ethical, but it would account for a minority. The rest are left because it pays to be on the left and there is power to be wielded on the left, even in the US.

You forgot a fourth reason: To get attention for themselves, either in order to get laid, or just have people notice what would be an otherwise non description person.

This is a university. In California. Did you expect sanity?

Spetulhu wrote:
What's with having the flag everywhere anyways? And the Oath?

Over here the flag is flown when there's an official flag day, or for birthdays, or deaths (halfway ofc), or welcoming a foreign guest with his and our flag. You're allowed to fly it for any reason as long as you follow the guidelines, but very very few fly it just because "it's our flag". And the Oath, well... I've given exactly one such and that's when I completed basic training on my mandatory military service.

One would think things become meaningless if you do them every day without thinking. Almost as meaningless as student organisations protesting against things just because.

As a foreigner to the US I was happy to see people fly their flags without it being for exclusively sectarian reasons. When I moved here I was very happy to have it as my adopted flag.

The ban is veto'ed.

:shrugs:

My take?

Aahhhhhh.... it's great to be young and insane!

Spetulhu wrote:
What's with having the flag everywhere anyways? And the Oath?

Over here the flag is flown when there's an official flag day, or for birthdays, or deaths (halfway ofc), or welcoming a foreign guest with his and our flag. You're allowed to fly it for any reason as long as you follow the guidelines, but very very few fly it just because "it's our flag". And the Oath, well... I've given exactly one such and that's when I completed basic training on my mandatory military service.

One would think things become meaningless if you do them every day without thinking. Almost as meaningless as student organisations protesting against things just because.

Because it is not a meaningless symbol to a lot of us.

I'll admit, I get a funny feeling in my chest every time Retreat sounds on base, and I'm standing their saluting the flag as it is lowered. It invokes a sense of pride in my nation. It's an actual symbol that I can focus on.

I am proud of our flag, and it does anger me when I see it disrespected.

 djones520 wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
What's with having the flag everywhere anyways? And the Oath?

Over here the flag is flown when there's an official flag day, or for birthdays, or deaths (halfway ofc), or welcoming a foreign guest with his and our flag. You're allowed to fly it for any reason as long as you follow the guidelines, but very very few fly it just because "it's our flag". And the Oath, well... I've given exactly one such and that's when I completed basic training on my mandatory military service.

One would think things become meaningless if you do them every day without thinking. Almost as meaningless as student organisations protesting against things just because.

Because it is not a meaningless symbol to a lot of us.

I'll admit, I get a funny feeling in my chest every time Retreat sounds on base, and I'm standing their saluting the flag as it is lowered. It invokes a sense of pride in my nation. It's an actual symbol that I can focus on.

I am proud of our flag, and it does anger me when I see it disrespected.

it is really just a piece of cloth, people put way to much into it really.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
What's with having the flag everywhere anyways? And the Oath?

Over here the flag is flown when there's an official flag day, or for birthdays, or deaths (halfway ofc), or welcoming a foreign guest with his and our flag. You're allowed to fly it for any reason as long as you follow the guidelines, but very very few fly it just because "it's our flag". And the Oath, well... I've given exactly one such and that's when I completed basic training on my mandatory military service.

One would think things become meaningless if you do them every day without thinking. Almost as meaningless as student organisations protesting against things just because.

Because it is not a meaningless symbol to a lot of us.

I'll admit, I get a funny feeling in my chest every time Retreat sounds on base, and I'm standing their saluting the flag as it is lowered. It invokes a sense of pride in my nation. It's an actual symbol that I can focus on.

I am proud of our flag, and it does anger me when I see it disrespected.

it is really just a piece of cloth, people put way to much into it really.

Cool. Go burn one in front of a Marine Corps recruiting office or a Teamsters union hall. I'm sure they'll agree with you 100%.

They don't have to agree, the supreme court has held up several times it is my right to disrespect the flag. And if they get mad, it proves my point. We put way to much focus on the flag and meaningless symbols.


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 Frazzled wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Silver spoon? The students with silver spoons attend Stanford or USC. The unwashed masses* go to the UC or CS schools.

*indeed.

No the unwashed masses go to CS schools. UC is for the favored sons, especially Berkeley and UCLA.

unless you go to Irvine or davis, those are unwashed masses, but in a different way.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
They don't have to agree, the supreme court has held up several times it is my right to disrespect the flag. And if they get mad, it proves my point. We put way to much focus on the flag and meaningless symbols.

There's a lot that could be said about this.

I'm just going to remind myself that you're young, have never been in the military, and are still living within the university bubble.

I will say that I think your assertion that the flag is a meaningless symbol is short sighted and will certainly be insulting to many.

I'll also leave this here:

holy image size batman.

And ah yes, the you are young argument. What old people use to denounce young people when they Know they don't have anargument
And I hate the university. I hate the hypocrisy, the stupidity. It is to the point I take 4 hour bus rides to go home every weekend because it is to much to take.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
They don't have to agree, the supreme court has held up several times it is my right to disrespect the flag. And if they get mad, it proves my point. We put way to much focus on the flag and meaningless symbols.

You can prove your point from a hospital bed. What you think is meaningless, is itself meaningless to what someone else thinks is important. I thought all your PC classes taught you that. Its all about the perception of the offended. (and how many friends they have).

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 Frazzled wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Silver spoon? The students with silver spoons attend Stanford or USC. The unwashed masses* go to the UC or CS schools.

*indeed.

No the unwashed masses go to CS schools. UC is for the favored sons, especially Berkeley and UCLA.

unless you go to Irvine or davis, those are unwashed masses, but in a different way.

If you think Berkeley and UCLA kids were disadvantaged, you better go to the doc because your brains have leaked out.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:


And ah yes, the you are young argument. What old people use to denounce young people when they Know they don't have anargument

I mean, I hate to break it to you, but it's the truth. You've done very little 'living' on your own. You're still subject to changing your opinions on things based on the whim of whatever latest thing you learn in class. You have very little anecdotal life experience to draw from to form your opinions, which will change as you gain them.

And it's not like I'm "old;" I'm 31. And I can tell you, as I've gained life experience and been a part of multiple work forces, my attitudes toward and understanding of the world have changed SIGNIFICANTLY from when I was a 21 year old fresh out of university.

You can fall back on whatever platitude you'd like; it doesn't change the fact that you're simply ignorant of a lot of things.

It's a product of being young.

I'm making a joke that those schools are fUllman of unwashed hippies

31? pfft come talk to me when you're 131. Until then the wife is going to pinch your cheeks when she sees you (and I'm going to steal your wallet while you're distracted. dog treats aint free you know!)

 cincydooley wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:


And ah yes, the you are young argument. What old people use to denounce young people when they Know they don't have anargument

I mean, I hate to break it to you, but it's the truth. You've done very little 'living' on your own. You're still subject to changing your opinions on things based on the whim of whatever latest thing you learn in class. You have very little anecdotal life experience to draw from to form your opinions, which will change as you gain them.

And it's not like I'm "old;" I'm 31. And I can tell you, as I've gained life experience and been a part of multiple work forces, my attitudes toward and understanding of the world have changed SIGNIFICANTLY from when I was a 21 year old fresh out of university.

You can fall back on whatever platitude you'd like; it doesn't change the fact that you're simply ignorant of a lot of things.

It's a product of being young.

I like how you somehow know my life experiance. I know what I know. And I know that if people are willing to kill over a piece of cloth, especially if it is for a stupid reason, something is wrong.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'm making a joke that those schools are fUllman of unwashed hippies

i thought that was UC Riverside.

All the girls there drove little convertible VW jettas.

How do you think they afforded them? No water bills to pay.
Aslo, can we fix the imagemail please. Way to big

Believe there is still a ban of hanging of any flags in the barracks of the US Military