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Well to be honest the unversity does have the freedom to ban some and all flags that it wants to. Although it is arguable is that a good idea or not.

 Sienisoturi wrote:
Well to be honest the unversity does have the freedom to ban some and all flags that it wants to. Although it is arguable is that a good idea or not.

This is honesty what upsets me, as a federally funded university, it shouldnt ban anything.

If that's within the student councils power, they have every right to do it. If the majority of the campus dislikes the decision, they can vote those 6 out of office. Such are the privileges of a democratic system.

That being said, I will express my rights and say this: These six individuals are fething stupid, and they could have avoided this entire mess by adding more flags. Fundamentally, the problem seems to be that someone was upset because someone else was getting cookies and they weren't. They (the six), in their infinite wisdom, decided to rectify this lamentable situation by taking away EVERYONE'S cookies. Brilliant.

This exact situation is why my I choose ignore the fact that my uni even has a student council. I go to class, I learn, and then I go home and study. That's it, and I couldn't be bothered to give a single feth as to what a group of overly indulged gakkers decide to do during one of their regular hyper-glorified circle-jerk sessions.

I mean, it's kind of asinine and a waste of brain power, but I don't get the hoopla. I can't really care about a flag.

 daedalus wrote:
I mean, it's kind of asinine and a waste of brain power, but I don't get the hoopla. I can't really care about a flag.

Because, I know these type of people. It isnt about banning all flags, they are using it to ban one flag in particular, maybe a few others. Likely Israeli flags or American flags. Possible being LA confederate flags too.

Do you go to the school?

If so, vote against them.
If not, then it doesn't affect you.

Hurray for democracy.

Well, they are banning all national flags. So what is the problem? Or can't Americans live without seeing an American flag every 5 minutes? It is just a rather silly piece of fabric you know...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I mean, it's kind of asinine and a waste of brain power, but I don't get the hoopla. I can't really care about a flag.

Because, I know these type of people. It isnt about banning all flags, they are using it to ban one flag in particular, maybe a few others. Likely Israeli flags or American flags. Possible being LA confederate flags too.

Okay, so? I'm still struggling to see the issue other than "but they're imposing this on everyone just to get to MEEEE!"

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I mean, it's kind of asinine and a waste of brain power, but I don't get the hoopla. I can't really care about a flag.

Because, I know these type of people. It isnt about banning all flags, they are using it to ban one flag in particular, maybe a few others. Likely Israeli flags or American flags. Possible being LA confederate flags too.

Okay, so? I'm still struggling to see the issue other than "but they're imposing this on everyone just to get to MEEEE!"

Because that's actually a real problem.

I mean, I'm frankly more irritated about the waste of brain power being wasted on this. College shouldn't be about thinking about flags. It should be about thinking about how you're going to afford that next 30 pack of Keystone, when the next party is, and chicks. Oh, and, like, classes and gak.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I mean, it's kind of asinine and a waste of brain power, but I don't get the hoopla. I can't really care about a flag.

Because, I know these type of people. It isnt about banning all flags, they are using it to ban one flag in particular, maybe a few others. Likely Israeli flags or American flags. Possible being LA confederate flags too.

Okay, so? I'm still struggling to see the issue other than "but they're imposing this on everyone just to get to MEEEE!"

Because that's actually a real problem.

I still don't get it. If no one is flying flags, why is it a problem?

I mean, the rationalization behind it IS trite, but I don't think that the sanctity of the buildings at the campus will be impacted by the lack of a US flag in it. Is that why? Because it's a stupid rationalization?

 d-usa wrote:
Do you go to the school?

If so, vote against them.
If not, then it doesn't affect you.

Hurray for democracy.

http://www.asuci.uci.edu/legislativebranch/
It seems they are not all elected, with some appointed.

 daedalus wrote:


I still don't get it. If no one is flying flags, why is it a problem?

I mean, the rationalization behind it IS trite, but I don't think that the sanctity of the buildings at the campus will be impacted by the lack of a US flag in it. Is that why? Because it's a stupid rationalization?

Its less about the flags and more about the attitude behind why they banned them.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Do you go to the school?

If so, vote against them.
If not, then it doesn't affect you.

Hurray for democracy.

http://www.asuci.uci.edu/legislativebranch/
It seems they are not all elected, with some appointed.

So if you go to the school still run and vote against this.
If you don't go to the school then it still doesn't affect you.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I still don't get it. If no one is flying flags, why is it a problem?

I mean, the rationalization behind it IS trite, but I don't think that the sanctity of the buildings at the campus will be impacted by the lack of a US flag in it. Is that why? Because it's a stupid rationalization?

Its less about the flags and more about the attitude behind why they banned them.

Exactly.

Banning flags, whilst not trivial, really doesn't do anything. The world keeps spinning, so to speak. But the "why" is far more important.

As someone that wore a flag on his shoulder for a good part of my life...

I must say I love looking at flags, we had a building on base that was used for family functions, and it had every flag currently in use by nations of the world hanging in it..I use to sit there and listen to stupid crap, and just look at each one and imagine what the various colors and symbols were ment to represent.

More flags are better than less...but college is a place to get the stupid outta your system before real life begins.

 Grey Templar wrote:

Its less about the flags and more about the attitude behind why they banned them.

Okay. I still have a hard time getting upset about it, but I can understand why people would be.

The other part about this is that it sets a precedent for trivially banning things.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Well, they are banning all national flags. So what is the problem? Or can't Americans live without seeing an American flag every 5 minutes? It is just a rather silly piece of fabric you know...

If it's just a silly piece of fabric, why go to the trouble of banning them?

Well my College finally made the news with some stupid party.

http://news.yahoo.com/eight-hurt-roof-collapses-during-college-party-california-222710086.html

We've had a rash of frat parties gone wrong lately.

 namiel wrote:
Communists plain and simple.

Nope. This is UCI. The Intifada lives on there.

California - The land of fruits and nuts.

These kids at UC are great. Exercising their freedom to display stupidity is critical to eventually not being hired for high paying jobs.

Matthew Guevara was named as the student who wrote this resolution which says, in part, that flags "construct paradigms of conformity and set homogenized standards..."

I wonder if Guevara is related to that leftist icon Che. If so, perhaps he'll eventually man up, gun up, then meet a similar fate (thank you SF).



I'm old. One year for 'Political Awareness Week' the university I attended had Abbie Hoffman (before he died) come to campus. He lead a 'rally' in the student union I had to pass on my way (in uniform) to my ROTC class. He was spouting off his typical dried up leftist crap including "You can kick ROTC off your campus".

He got heckled.

Made me chuckle.

These kids at UC are great.

 CptJake wrote:
These kids at UC are great. Exercising their freedom to display stupidity is critical to eventually not being hired for high paying jobs.

Matthew Guevara was named as the student who wrote this resolution which says, in part, that flags "construct paradigms of conformity and set homogenized standards..."

I wonder if Guevara is related to that leftist icon Che. If so, perhaps he'll eventually man up, gun up, then meet a similar fate (thank you SF).



I'm old. One year for 'Political Awareness Week' the university I attended had Abbie Hoffman (before he died) come to campus. He lead a 'rally' in the student union I had to pass on my way (in uniform) to my ROTC class. He was spouting off his typical dried up leftist crap including "You can kick ROTC off your campus".

He got heckled.

Made me chuckle.

These kids at UC are great.

Like i said, my UC has nearly 18000 students, as with most campuses. you see these demonstration they are unlikely to break 100, 200 if you promise food.
There are alot who dont really care.

 CptJake wrote:
I'm old. One year for 'Political Awareness Week' the university I attended had Abbie Hoffman (before he died) come to campus. He lead a 'rally' in the student union I had to pass on my way (in uniform) to my ROTC class. He was spouting off his typical dried up leftist crap including "You can kick ROTC off your campus".

I've never really understood why some of those among the far left would want to kick ROTC off of university campuses. I feel like their priorities are backwards.

It ain't just Liberals. Go check out some Presbyterian Colleges. my sister attended one and left after the first semester because the anti-military sentiment was so intense on campus (from the faculty and administration) she couldn't understand why they let ROTC on the grounds at all. They pretty much used the small number of ROTC students as targets of ridicule.

Freedom of speech equals hate speech. I love it.

Freedom is slavery!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
These kids at UC are great. Exercising their freedom to display stupidity is critical to eventually not being hired for high paying jobs.

Matthew Guevara was named as the student who wrote this resolution which says, in part, that flags "construct paradigms of conformity and set homogenized standards..."

I wonder if Guevara is related to that leftist icon Che. If so, perhaps he'll eventually man up, gun up, then meet a similar fate (thank you SF).



I'm old. One year for 'Political Awareness Week' the university I attended had Abbie Hoffman (before he died) come to campus. He lead a 'rally' in the student union I had to pass on my way (in uniform) to my ROTC class. He was spouting off his typical dried up leftist crap including "You can kick ROTC off your campus".

He got heckled.

Made me chuckle.

These kids at UC are great.

Like i said, my UC has nearly 18000 students, as with most campuses. you see these demonstration they are unlikely to break 100, 200 if you promise food.
There are alot who dont really care.

Or, unless they hike the tuition rates again. If you think college students get mad about political issues they don't understand, wait till you try and take away their silver spoon...





(to be fair, though, the tuition hikes are absurd. We here in California throw more money at schools than basically anyone else in the world, and they still manage to try and pass their expenses off onto the students).

Indeed. The people saying we don't spend enough on education are absurdly wrong. Its just the education system itself is so incompetent they can't manage their money.

Silver spoon? The students with silver spoons attend Stanford or USC. The unwashed masses* go to the UC or CS schools.

*indeed.

 Hordini wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I'm old. One year for 'Political Awareness Week' the university I attended had Abbie Hoffman (before he died) come to campus. He lead a 'rally' in the student union I had to pass on my way (in uniform) to my ROTC class. He was spouting off his typical dried up leftist crap including "You can kick ROTC off your campus".

I've never really understood why some of those among the far left would want to kick ROTC off of university campuses. I feel like their priorities are backwards.

Far left? Do you even know what that means? There is no far left in the US. Only moderate centrists. Even your "communist" party is democratic socialist rather than actually communist.